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AK Harold

AK Harold

Warrior
Sorry for posting late just noticed the thread. Against WW you pretty much avoid using LC unless its a punish situation. There really is no need to force the issue since she cannot zone very hard outside of whip. Use more RMS cancels to get in instead and force her to throw out a a negative then push back. Zyphox you already figured out how to deal with instant air punches. On her wakeup you pretty much have no reason to pressure her because she really has little reason not to lasso wakeup if you are within reach. Just wait for it and uppercut on block or go for a 50/50. Reserve meter to F3 mb pressure her wakeup it throws WW off quite a bit. J1 beats a majority of her air dash jump options along with d2. Her jump whip beats d2 so be careful. Against air dashes in general you can do a walk under that crosses up their animation giving you free combos (universal). I think its WW favor still, but only slightly wouldn't call it a 6-4.

Edit- Also pick stages with dive kick interact pref metropolis street. Dive kick give him the extra advantage against her neutral game.
 
AYSAMO

AYSAMO

Apprentice
Derocus said:
I mostly play online, and when I face a Hawkgirl they just love to fly. I find flash isn't too good at smacking her out of the sky, especially with his odd jump. But, this isn't that big a deal
The main thing is her mace charge. Blocking it means you're disadvantaged and pushed away. That's not something Flash wants.
It's also a super duper good wake up. But I find timing a f21(3) just right makes her fly into your fists.
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her mace is ass, just dash up or shake and punish MB
 
Zyphox

Zyphox

What is going on guys, Ya Boi Zyphox here.
AK elitegoomba said:
lmao WW is flash worst matchup? why the hell? if you struggling with her air game, try I don't know, flashes insanely godlike d2, or air to airing is also very effective. IMO it's even once both players force each other into a grounded game. also if IADG is giving you issues just respect it, block, and use the frame advantage to put WW in a 50/50. you guys get 50% midscreen 1 bar off a 50/50, remember?

oh and zyphox in particular on those matches you uploaded you ate so many wakeups gotta scout those and punish :)
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i not sure who said WW was flash worst MU but it definitely wasn't me. a lot of those matches were trial and error, now that i have footage i can review it and see what i need to do. foxy backdashed after IADM so i adapted mid match and started to punish them with MB LC.

also i want to point out all the theory fighting we are doing when i see these response posts. you could say whatever you have to say, how to play defense what to do, but if you haven't played foxy i don't think there is a real discussion on what to do when your opponent is as good as he is, and is able to adapt as well as him. its one thing to say do this, and then go in and do it. i won't go to deep into how limited i feel on a 360 pad, but its the reason i don't play on xbl as often, and i don't ever post match videos of me playing on xbox for that reason. hell i have footage of playing PL for hours, against scorpion doomy, batman, whoever, but i don't post them because even though i win the majority of the matches, i don't feel like i am at my best to properly represent the MU. i am not trying to say i destroy PL or anything, the man doesn't have a main character, and having to use said characters every time against a smart flash player isn't easy, but my point is, my comfort level is not very high on 360 pad, but i am only able to play the best wonder woman (so far) on xbl. on that note i don't want to discredit anything foxy does, or seem like am making an excuse as to why i might have MB LC alot or done some stupid shit. anyway i will work on the MU and see if i can get a damn 360 converter so i don't ever have to bring up the 3shitty pad argument.
 
Derocus

Derocus

'The Cage Mage'
SaJa said:
So many new flash here since the buffs. :>
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I mained Flash from day one, just never signed up to the forums until now. Consider that, huh?
Not gon' be no tier whore. Nuh-uh, holmes.
(Unless Lobo gets buffed, then he's gon' be my other sub.)
 
Hiltzy85

Hiltzy85

I'm THAT fast
Hellion_96 said:
fyi guys who can punish WW wake up spin on block with 112 LK into full combo.
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is this a sure thing, or does spin have to be blocked at absolute point blank range? I feel like when I try to punish with 112, there is too much pushback for Flash's baby arms to reach
 
Hellion_96

Hellion_96

xX_Hellion96_Xx
Hiltzy85 said:
is this a sure thing, or does spin have to be blocked at absolute point blank range? I feel like when I try to punish with 112, there is too much pushback for Flash's baby arms to reach
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If you block it you should be in range for 112 or d1
 
dribirut

dribirut

BLAK FELOW
wtf do you do against cyborg.. played a good one yesterday and got bodied. could not get in. he would mix ground fireballs with ia ones and i could not dash in after blocing a ground one and when i tried to jump go ia. once i got in it wasnt bad at all but damn its hard to get in
 
Derocus

Derocus

'The Cage Mage'
Thankfully Cyborg isn't all that popular, but I do encounter this same problem. His keep away game is so good. And when you're finally in close he's got a buncha stuff that sends you away again.

I do know that you can speed dodge his raw super on reaction. I did it once. it was awesome. Bane's too.
Actually, can someone post which supers can be speed dodged on reaction? All of 'em. Not just that old zyphox video. kthx ;)
 
Chongo

Chongo

Dead Kings Rise
dribirut said:
wtf do you do against cyborg.. played a good one yesterday and got bodied. could not get in. he would mix ground fireballs with ia ones and i could not dash in after blocing a ground one and when i tried to jump go ia. once i got in it wasnt bad at all but damn its hard to get in
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Cyborg is one of the few characters that you cannot block his projectile and dash in. You just gotta walk and wait til he corners himself.
 
Hiltzy85

Hiltzy85

I'm THAT fast
Chongo said:
Cyborg is one of the few characters that you cannot block his projectile and dash in. You just gotta walk and wait til he corners himself.
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at which point he can fire off his bionic arm and fly back to the other side of the screen. WEEEEEEEEE!

It's a really weird, frustrating match up, and I agree about just having to be really, really patient and try to walk him down and speed dodge as many shots as you can.
 
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