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What is the current tier list for IGAU as of 7/23/2013?

foxy and UFG invented the KL metagame + bird lao IIRC.

WW with the lifelead cant be zoned, her rushdown is simply awesome, her frametraps ridiculous, her corner game top 3, her otgs hella good and she has no trouble getting in.

people are sleeping on this character, i think in a few months when ppl start exploring her ppl will see she has no bad matchups at all, she just requires work unlike 80% of this shallow games characters.
and vegas is anti bird lao (meaning we body laos :p). But that is besides the point, I know she is solid and she does well vs everyone, but you have to take into account the fact that superman outclasses her in a lot of ways. I know she'll be a character in the future that many will regret underestimating, but that doesn't mean she is number one. If we compare the tools of both of them, I believe superman comes out on top.
 

Bildslash

Goro Lives 
Honestly I could have left out KDZ entirely and it wouldn't change any of my points, it was just a physical example that you are already aware of.

You know the F2 is coming so backdash and punish, breath pushes you far enough back that F2 can't catch the dash, and don't be stupid about what you pick to punish with.

There are two reasons you are forced to block A: You don't know where the opening are, and B: you don't know what moves win and what moves loose.

What you want to do is sit and turtle until one of the many viable windows open up and then combo.
The Superman player isn't a mindless drone that just loops F2 3 xx Breath whenever he's in range. Within that range he can also do jump in mix ups with J2, box dashing and air lasers.

Blocking F2 3 xx Breath is a mix up for both you and Superman.

*Backdash: Superman can read your backdash, dash in and get you again. Against some characters it might be possible he punishes them for trying to escape.
*D1: He waits, makes it whiff and full combo punishes you.
*Superman backdashes: You need a move like Aquaman's FTD to punish that. Others need to try to dash in, unfortunately that leaves you in neutral game right in his face where F2 stuffs and beats the majority of attacks.

What you don't acknowledge is that 2/3 times you make a correct read you only dodge or block his attacks, which in the big scheme of things amounts to nothing. Whereas 2/3 times Superman reads correctly he punishes you hard. You run more risks trying to read him / outmaneuver him than he does.
 

Bildslash

Goro Lives 
and ask who got him back into KL after he returned.
I'm sure they helped him get back on track after his hiatus. Still he was the first to put KL as we know it on the map. Besides his overall gamplan and strategy remained the same throughout these years.
 

Qwark28

Joker waiting room
I'm sure they helped him get back on track after his hiatus. Still he was the first to put KL as we know it on the map. Besides his overall gamplan and strategy remained the same throughout these years.
not talking about who put KL on the map, im talking about who invented his current playstyle, back then it was 24 low hat all day. no 21s, 24s, no hit confirms to spins and obviously no gameplan adaptations to patches that werent even out back then.
 

PND_Mustard

"More stealthful than the night"
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I like where bane is going, i'm seeing what he is capable of and he is a pretty good character. Some banes got out of pools at evo, so that is definitely good.
Bane's only terrible MU's are Supes and BA, and tbh 90% of the cast struggle with them just as bad as Bane does.
 
Bane's only terrible MU's are Supes and BA, and tbh 90% of the cast struggle with them just as bad as Bane does.
agreed, bane will definitely be a character more will be looking out for in the future. Grapplers always are a danger, especially when they deal damage like bane does.
 

Bildslash

Goro Lives 
not talking about who put KL on the map, im talking about who invented his current playstyle, back then it was 24 low hat all day. no 21s, 24s, no hit confirms to spins and obviously no gameplan adaptations to patches that werent even out back then.
PL did at EVO 2011 most of the current Lao metagame. Of course 4 months into the game 2 4 xx Low Hat ruled because there wasn't any reason to do any different (*cough* F2 3 xx Breath *cough*). PL was among the first to showcase KL's mobility through DK and Tele. Stuff like 2 1s and 2 4s reached de facto string status when the frame data was published.

I'm not taking away credit from F0xy or Glue, but it is clear PL always knew the foundations to KL gameplay, past and current. He had a rough performance at MLG vs CDJr because he was still trying to use vanilla KL. Something clearly not possible since the game went through 2-3 patches right after EVO.
 

Gruff757

The Gruff
If WW had zoning like him, she'd have a shot. Also he has the best footsies tool in the game, most damage, and the best super in the game as well. I do agree that WW could become a character that ppl will really be worrying about later on in the game's life (kind of like sonya in mk9).

Footsies? I dont think Superman even lifts his feet to kick anything.......ever



......Fisties?
 

PND_Mustard

"More stealthful than the night"
Premium Supporter
agreed, bane will definitely be a character more will be looking out for in the future. Grapplers always are a danger, especially when they deal damage like bane does.
the only thing that really stops him from being OP damage wise is his Debuff, kinda funny how the thing that makes him a beast is also the thing that stop him from being top tier :p
 

Fred Marvel

It's actually Freddy Marvel
GL is top tier, ask my bro (DJT who just got 2nd at evo), ask jailhouse, ask sabin, etc. Ask some of the top GL players.
he's good but is worse than the best characters Adam Supes Bats etc. if he had a way to get in id agree but he gets raped from fullscreen by half the roster. and most of his moves arent being punished properly yet.
 
he's good but is worse than the best characters Adam Supes Bats etc. if he had a way to get in id agree but he gets raped from fullscreen by half the roster. and most of his moves arent being punished properly yet.
nah man, if you are getting bodied full screen, you need to be patient and work your way in (getting impatient will be your demise). When all GL's start optimizing on all their setups and use his highest damaging combos, ppl are really going to fear GL then.
 
the only thing that really stops him from being OP damage wise is his Debuff, kinda funny how the thing that makes him a beast is also the thing that stop him from being top tier :p
Man if he didn't have to worry about that debuff, bane would be like zangief with a power up to his dmg haha, I think he needs it.
 

Fred Marvel

It's actually Freddy Marvel
nah man, if you are getting bodied full screen, you need to be patient and work your way in (getting impatient will be your demise). When all GL's start optimizing on all their setups and use his highest damaging combos, ppl are really going to fear GL then.
i agree his tools once he gets in are ridiculous but against someone good fullscreen you wont get in or you'll take alot of chip and probably lose by time
 
i agree his tools once he gets in are ridiculous but against someone good fullscreen you wont get in or you'll take alot of chip and probably lose by time
I believe the only zoner he will really have issues with is cyborg, besides that he can get in on sinestro, raven, and etc. Trust me, GL isn't getting nerfs because ppl are too focused on supes and BA/ also I heard he was getting a mobility buff :), that'll help him a bunch for sure.