Injustice Post Evo Question: Numbers after Evo

[Doombawkz]

ok. you're probably gonna body me cause I main Ares and I don't know the bane mu at all

Haha, wanna play now? I'm hungry for opponents and I haven't played an Ares in sooo long

 

[DownfouralitY]

Haha, wanna play now? I'm hungry for opponents and I haven't played an Ares in sooo long

sure

 

[TheIrishFGCguy]

Is the game too simple though? I mean, mk was never a super technical game but it had footsies, something this game severely lacks. I I love injustice and I will continue to support it but the mechanics just seem so basic and that's why there isn't much room for creativity or new tech. It doesn't feel like the game can evolve much more. I realise this game is not MK and I don't want it to be, but so far I feel that this game is a bit more casual and that's hurting it on the tournament scene.

 

[Doombawkz]

Is the game too simple though? I mean, mk was never a super technical game but it had footsies, something this game severely lacks. I I love injustice and I will continue to support it but the mechanics just seem so basic and that's why there isn't much room for creativity or new tech. It doesn't feel like the game can evolve much more. I realise this game is not MK and I don't want it to be, but so far I feel that this game is a bit more casual and that's hurting it on the tournament scene.

if you think this game is too simple, play Lex vs Superman. I've never seen something so needlessly complicated before.

 

[DownfouralitY]

Haha, wanna play now? I'm hungry for opponents and I haven't played an Ares in sooo long

BTW my gamertag is Jeff n2relax lol

 

[Wemfs]

Should be fun watching the same 3-5 characters duking it out on every stream I see. Yep. Game is really balanced.

Fuck Injustice.

 

[Juggs]

Ever since MMH was announced, I've been having SO much more fun with the game. I took a long break from it because my favorite character, Ares, is only good in certain match-ups (Deathstroke, Sinestro, etc) so I am forced to use top tier Supes and Aquaman. But when MMH comes out, even if he's mid/low tier, I will win with him, no matter what. So knowing that, it has given me a new drive to improve and have fun with Injustice.

 

[Zyphox]

And guess who just happened to pick up NW

me? lol i actually just picked him up too i've been using him for the last two days, hes fun to use, i just need to learn his stance change combos, i need to look at the NW forum

 

[Smarrgasm]

Doombawkz im sorry but the d2 buff really didnt change Black Adams ability to AA that much. Good priority air normals still do really well vs Adam so i stick to pre-emptive jump 1s or AA B2 for better damage. The vertical hitbox really does nothing against good air moves unless the person jumping at you just doesnt know how to place their attacks correctly.

Secondly, Batman did get the best of both worlds for the most part. People cannot jump at him even when he doesnt have bats now and on top of that his j2 still rapes half the cast for free. All you have to do is add in 1 bat and the whole cast cannot stop him from doing whatever he wants. People are still forgetting how dumb bat trait is and if it werent for Superman taking out REO and a couple pauses from Nightmare we might all be crying about Batman. I know its hard to look at the "what if" situation here but lets not forget how good batman is. His only weakness is not having a wake up attack. Big whoop.

 

[EGP Wonder_Chef]

AK Pig Of The Hut

to answer the original question, we got 30 last week which is about the usual for a slow week. I'm sure a lot of people had just gotten home from Evo the day or two before and didn't want to go too.

We'll see within the next few weeks how everything looks.

 

[Rude]

I can be real


44% BNB kabal combo - months of practice and execution

44% BNB superman combo - mins of practice, requires little execution

When Reo 2ndc me to death I respect the level of execution required to do so

I'm not sure I understand the point you're trying to make.
If heavy execution made for the best fighting games, we'd all be playing Guilty Gear.
Both Kabal and Superman still have to get in, make reads, and set up those combos.
Name be one "scrubby" player in Top 8 that didn't deserve to be there for Injustice.

Furthermore...I'm really sick of the double standard. Aris places high with "Kano 2.0" Deathstroke. People, of course, say that this is because he is an extraordinary player. Which he is. HOWEVER...they also say great players get "scrubbed out," by worse players because of how "lacking" in fundamentals Injustice is.

You can't have it both ways. You can't say someone excels because of fundamentals and then say fundamentals don't matter.
They do matter. They're just not the same as MK. I promise you that if you brought MK fundamentals to something like the aforementioned Guilty Gear, or Soul Calibur, you would not do very well.

Every game players differently.

Injustice is not MK.
MK is not Injustice.
Both games are completely unbalanced.
Both games are FUN.

 

[Luke Stofan]

Yeah, I think devs need to start designing games with latency in mind. There are many gamers who would like a scene but don't have one and online is their only option.

Yeah upstate South Carolina is hurtin

 

[Rude]

Doombawkz im sorry but the d2 buff really didnt change Black Adams ability to AA that much. Good priority air normals still do really well vs Adam so i stick to pre-emptive jump 1s or AA B2 for better damage. The vertical hitbox really does nothing against good air moves unless the person jumping at you just doesnt know how to place their attacks correctly.

Secondly, Batman did get the best of both worlds for the most part. People cannot jump at him even when he doesnt have bats now and on top of that his j2 still rapes half the cast for free. All you have to do is add in 1 bat and the whole cast cannot stop him from doing whatever he wants. People are still forgetting how dumb bat trait is and if it werent for Superman taking out REO and a couple pauses from Nightmare we might all be crying about Batman. I know its hard to look at the "what if" situation here but lets not forget how good batman is. His only weakness is not having a wake up attack. Big whoop.

Not having good wake-up options.
Having holes in every single string.
If you have trouble with J2, use J1. That usually knocks him out of the air.
Bat trait is very, very good.
However, it is NOT unstoppable. Batman has no reach or range on practically anything except F2 and B2. He also has mediocre damage. He's a very good character, absolutely. However, he's not broken.

 

[Pig Of The Hut]

I'm not sure I understand the point you're trying to make.
If heavy execution made for the best fighting games, we'd all be playing Guilty Gear.
Both Kabal and Superman still have to get in, make reads, and set up those combos.
Name be one "scrubby" player in Top 8 that didn't deserve to be there for Injustice.

Furthermore...I'm really sick of the double standard. Aris places high with "Kano 2.0" Deathstroke. People, of course, say that this is because he is an extraordinary player. Which he is. HOWEVER...they also say great players get "scrubbed out," by worse players because of how "lacking" in fundamentals Injustice is.

You can't have it both ways. You can't say someone excels because of fundamentals and then say fundamentals don't matter.
They do matter. They're just not the same as MK. I promise you that if you brought MK fundamentals to something like the aforementioned Guilty Gear, or Soul Calibur, you would not do very well.

Every game players differently.

Injustice is not MK.
MK is not Injustice.
Both games are completely unbalanced.
Both games are FUN.

If u don't understand the difference of f23 vs 2ndc then we r done here

 

[Pig Of The Hut]

Not having good wake-up options.
Having holes in every single string.
If you have trouble with J2, use J1. That usually knocks him out of the air.
Bat trait is very, very good.
However, it is NOT unstoppable. Batman has no reach or range on practically anything except F2 and B2. He also has mediocre damage. He's a very good character, absolutely. However, he's not broken.

Jesus Christ

U make batman sound mid tier

 

[Rude]

The level of execution required to do it. Characters in Injustice require about an hour in the lab to make them decent. Characters in MK required days or weeks in the lab.
Also lets look at those players, The kabal and Lao players also played other characters. This is also the first year somone really showed their dominance over Kabal.

If you think its easy to pick up Kabal or Lao please go to training and do the things they have done. Then you will see the level skill it takes to play those characters, unlike superman.

High execution does not a great fighter make. If that was true, we'd all be playing Melty Blood.
Skill isn't just a matter of execution.

 

[Rude]

If u don't understand the difference of f23 vs 2ndc then we r done here

No Pig, I get the difference.
My point is that it doesn't matter. High execution is not the only marker of skill.

You're just coping out and dodging the argument.

 

[Rude]

Jesus Christ

U make batman sound mid tier

Did you not read the part where I said he was very good?
No, you cherry pick what to harp on.
He has flaws, but he's not unbeatable.
How is saying a character is not unbeatable downplaying is calling them mid-tier.

I'm going to start calling you Hyperbole of The Hut from now on.

 

[Smarrgasm]

Not having good wake-up options.
Having holes in every single string.
If you have trouble with J2, use J1. That usually knocks him out of the air.
Bat trait is very, very good.
However, it is NOT unstoppable. Batman has no reach or range on practically anything except F2 and B2. He also has mediocre damage. He's a very good character, absolutely. However, he's not broken.

The only thing i believe is broken about batman is bat trait but thats because it covers up everything you mentioned except for the wake ups which is why i still listed it as a problem.

Lots of characters have holes in strings, reach problems, and batman actually has excellent meterless and metered damage for how easily he can get in and keep people out. Hes an extremely well rounded character with the ability to be lame or stay in someones face whenever he wants. However, batmanagement is huge for him and you have to be smart and aware with it which is why i dont see him as stupid as say Superman.

 

[CptXecution]

AK Pig Of The Hut

This will always be a game of top tier.

Seriously though, if Superman and BA are nerfed, then you will see Aquaman and GL dominate almost assuredly.

What really needs to be fixed is the utter dominace of chars that either have amazing footsie dominating tools (Superman, GL, Aquaman) or chars that completely ignore footsies (Black Adam and Killer Frost).

There needs to be a big SFxT-style overhaul patch to change that. Which I would be fine with but I doubt that will happen.

Ignores footsies.... you forgot NW.

 

[Rude]

That's fair, Smarr. I can agree. However, I think that without his trait pretty much as is, he would be pretty awful.

 

[Pig Of The Hut]

No Pig, I get the difference.
My point is that it doesn't matter. High execution is not the only marker of skill.

You're just coping out and dodging the argument.

My argument is players like yourself can succeed w superman quickly because all his dominant tools require no high level fundamentals to make effective

I'm not dodging anything. I'm just choosing to stop pointless arguments w people who don't get it

F23 is the most dominant footsie tool in the game that requires no fundamentals to use well

Kabal on the other hand require a lot of skill

 

[godlessmode]

F23 is the most dominant footsie tool in the game that requires no fundamentals to use well

Then why are the top 8 placings so damn consistent, even the superman players are all arguably top players.

If F23 is so dominate, and requires so little skill, shouldnt we be seeing randoms place well with Superman?

 

[Cat]

Actually think some of us are planning on playing the game more, BUT playing it with the tops in mind. Ive picked up Black Adam and Batman as well. Sucks because I really want to use my favorite char. Joker. But putting in hours and hours with joker only to lose to a 1 day superman.

As far as the local scene. Theres a local this saturday that usually gets 40+ so we will see how the numbers are then

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[Rude]

My argument is players like yourself can succeed w superman quickly because all his dominant tools require no high level fundamentals to make effective

I'm not dodging anything. I'm just choosing to stop pointless arguments w people who don't get it

F23 is the most dominant footsie tool in the game that requires no fundamentals to use well

Kabal on the other hand require a lot of skill

Wow. What arrogance. I'm glad you can make a solid judgement on my play ability without...you know...actually playing me? What a snob.

Anyway...you are dodging the argument completely. I do get it. F23 is amazing. It's not unstoppable.

Kabal is also good. These two things don't have to be linked to one another. They're not the same character or game. And if Superman doesn't require such skill...does that mean KDZ is a shit player?

Also...you've yet to name me who the bad players in EVO Top 32 are.

You arguments are based on overreaction and hyperbole. Yes, Kabal requires skill. I never said he didn't. I said high execution isn't the ONLY aspect of skill.