The perfect fighting game model?

[K3DC]

The future of shooters is a subscription service, but the future of fighting games is free to play. I think this is genius, but I think that games like Killer Instinct and DOA5U need to makes some improvements.

I'm alright with paying for the characters, but I would like to choose my free one. The only reason I want to play DOA is to play as Hayabusa and the only character that interest me in Killer Instinct is Saberwulf. I'm not sure how about DOA, but with Killer Instinct Jago is the only one unlocked. It would be nice If you get the game free with one character that you can unlock and every once and a while they can demo a character like LOL. Also it would be a bunch of people using the same character for about 6 months, which would get boring real quick.

My biggest issue is with match ups. I'm not going to pay for characters that I'm only going to beat up in training mode, and I don't want to go online and get bodied because I don't know the match up. So they their not playable all characters should be in training mode for match up knowledge.

I play MK and IGAU, but I've been thinking about expanding the only thing is other fighting games are $20-40, if they were free to play I would be playing tekken, doa, and sf.The only two problems with this Free to play idea I could come up with are having pre-selected characters and not having all the players in training mode. I would like to know how the rest of the community feels about fighting games being free to play and if you think that there might be any problems with it.

 

[Eddy Wang]

"Do you think fighting games being free to play (pay for chars) is a good idea?"

A: No

 

[K3DC]

"Do you think fighting games being free to play (pay for chars) is a good idea?"

A: No

why not?

 

[Eddy Wang]

we had this discussion before on the forum during the Xbox1 policies drama, this kind of practice promotes anti-Consumer policies.

Imagine you paying 5$ by each MK9 character in the roster? you would end up paying 160$. instead of 60$ disc based version.
and then this would promote other stuff like selling you each stage separate as well etc.

 

[Living Corpse]

we had this discussion before on the forum during the Xbox1 policies drama, this kind of practice promotes anti-Consumer policies.

Imagine you paying 5$ by each MK9 character in the roster? you would end up paying 160$. instead of 60$ disc based version.
and then this would promote other stuff like selling you each stage separate as well etc.

This.

K3DC It's meant to mislead you into believing you'd be saving money by only paying for the characters you want but if you're new to a franchise you don't know who you are good with until you practice with them and the only way you can practice with them is if you buy them. You might pay just to try a fighter you may ultimately not like and have to keep looking til you find your main.

It's a beginners trap that ends up getting people who are new to say Killer Instinct to waste more money then they would on a disc with 20 characters already on it, even taking in account 4 DLC fighters you have to buy later if you want them.

Even worse what if your friend or brother or sister or girlfriend wants to play with you and their main isn't on there cause you didn't buy them?

What if your trying to run a tournament? Not every has the same mains.

It's a friend/sibling/tourrny trap as well as a beginners.

TLDR It's a money pit.

 

[K3DC]

How many players main the whole roster? Over time you may spend more than $60, but if the rumors are right and igau has 3 season passes then you would be paying $160 for all those characters. Plus it's alot easier to get 5 bucks than 60. I have 3 characters in my pocket, but only a game and a half in my bank account.

 

[AZ MotherBrain]

No, this doesn't work, and is very unnecessary. This "free to play" concept is nothing but a scam. The publisher has full control over what you can and cannot buy from them and for however much. A costumer is much better off just buying the physical copy.

 

[K3DC]

No, this doesn't work, and is very unnecessary. This "free to play" concept is nothing but a scam. The publisher has full control over what you can and cannot buy from them and for however much. A costumer is much better off just buying the physical copy.

I guess not. I'll give it a try with Doa5u, but KI can wait until Microsoft ditches the kinect.

 

[AZ MotherBrain]

I guess not. I'll give it a try with Doa5u, but KI can wait until Microsoft ditches the kinect.

You're going to be waiting a long time then, we all know the Kinect isn't going anywhere.

 

[Minh Giang]

 

[Eddy Wang]

this tactic is not good for the consumer, if ppl approves this by supporting, they will get stoled by dirty consumer tactics.

such as selling special moves, finishers, and shit, if someone ever played that shit ass naruto based game on facebook will basically see why this tactic is a scam.

 

[K3DC]

this tactic is not good for the consumer, if ppl approves this by supporting, they will get stoled by dirty consumer tactics.

such as selling special moves, finishers, and shit, if someone ever played that shit ass naruto based game on facebook will basically see why this tactic is a scam.

Didn't NRS sell classic fatalities with the Klassic pack?

 

[chores]

i think they should sell not only each character separately but also each character's special moves at 99cents a piece

 

[Axel_Redd]

I can only think of 1 game that has done free2play well, and thats warframe, a game where its not so much pay 2 win, but more or less pay 2 skip the grind. Which is much better than having to pay money to be able to get anything good.

However, in a fighting game, this would be just plain stupid.

 

[ICE_C0LD_ZERO]

I believe what Capcom has done with SFIV is the best model so far. Offer a huge balance patch each year with 4+ additional characters (both in DLC and disk form) to rekindle interest in the game. However the disk only re-releases they did with SSFIV and UVMC3 less than a year after the original games were released were unacceptable

 

[Onilordasmodeus]

I really don't have an opinion either way. I'm the type of player who only picks who I like anyway, so me paying a lower price to play only with the people I want isn't that big of a deal. Regardless, though IGAU isn't a free to play game, they already have a model of buying new characters, and I think that model works fine.

In regards to KI, it being F2P will only get more people in, and that is always a good thing.

 

[FrothyOmen]

Get the fuck out of here. I swear none of you even think before you post. Here is a list of reasons why you are wrong:

1. None of you have any idea how much each character will even cost yet.
2. None of you know how much the "full version" of KI3 will cost.
3. None of you have any proof stating that buying each character individually will cost more than the full game.

How the FUCK is it an anti-consumer policy to offer everyone a free game that they can play, and if they like it pay to upgrade to the full version? This model is better than a demo.

We can safely assume that, with the free version downloaded, you actually have the full game but are simply locked out of using characters you have not bought. Not a big deal, you can still go online and play any matchups you want with the characters you have. Want a certain character? Pay for him, you get your access key to unlock him and that's that. If you and your friend are at the level where you are ready to grind out certain matchups, but neither of you have the characters you need, then you should buy the full game at that point. Why do you want everything to be free? Why is it anti-consumerism for the developers to ask that their player base pay for the game they spent years making?

If we're going to just start making shit up as an excuse for you to get mad at the developers, why don't I offer you a similarly made up counter argument that is equally likely to be true as your nonsense? What if there is an option to "round out your roster" and simply "pay the difference" between what you have already paid on day 1 characters and the full price of the game? Where is your argument now?

The fact of the matter is, we don't know the prices of any of these things yet. Throwing these arguments around is nothing short of libelous against KI3 and the people working hard to bring it to you guys. There is literally no reason to be mad at them yet for something they have not even said/done/announced.

ITT: Poor people crucifying a development company for nickel-and-diming them when that developer is actually providing them with a tool to save a lot of nickels.

 

[PureYeti]

I can only think of 1 game that has done free2play well, and thats warframe, a game where its not so much pay 2 win, but more or less pay 2 skip the grind. Which is much better than having to pay money to be able to get anything good.

However, in a fighting game, this would be just plain stupid.

Hmmm Dust 514 comes to mind when you mention that.

If the f2p fighting game does the new rotation between characters then that would be great

 

[Juggs]

I think it's a good idea, but maybe that's just me. You increase the user base this way because more people will be at least trying it out instead of just not bothering with it at all. My friends who don't necessarily love fighting games can try the game out for free without having to invest the money in case they don't even like it. If they do like it, why can't they just buy the entire game anyway? But if they don't want to do that and want to pay for just a few characters, I don't see why that's such a problem.

We don't know how much the game is going to cost for KI3, and we don't know how much they're charging per character. I'm sure they'll make it to where if you buy all characters individually it will equal the same amount as buying the entire game as a whole. If it does cost more to buy them individually, I doubt it would be that much more. Point is, we really don't know much about it so having such a strong opinion about it without all the facts is kind of silly to me. That said, I still think it's a cool and GOOD idea.

 

[AntMan]

Get the fuck out of here. I swear none of you even think before you post. Here is a list of reasons why you are wrong:

1. None of you have any idea how much each character will even cost yet.
2. None of you know how much the "full version" of KI3 will cost.
3. None of you have any proof stating that buying each character individually will cost more than the full game.

How the FUCK is it an anti-consumer policy to offer everyone a free game that they can play, and if they like it pay to upgrade to the full version? This model is better than a demo.

We can safely assume that, with the free version downloaded, you actually have the full game but are simply locked out of using characters you have not bought. Not a big deal, you can still go online and play any matchups you want with the characters you have. Want a certain character? Pay for him, you get your access key to unlock him and that's that. If you and your friend are at the level where you are ready to grind out certain matchups, but neither of you have the characters you need, then you should buy the full game at that point. Why do you want everything to be free? Why is it anti-consumerism for the developers to ask that their player base pay for the game they spent years making?

If we're going to just start making shit up as an excuse for you to get mad at the developers, why don't I offer you a similarly made up counter argument that is equally likely to be true as your nonsense? What if there is an option to "round out your roster" and simply "pay the difference" between what you have already paid on day 1 characters and the full price of the game? Where is your argument now?

The fact of the matter is, we don't know the prices of any of these things yet. Throwing these arguments around is nothing short of libelous against KI3 and the people working hard to bring it to you guys. There is literally no reason to be mad at them yet for something they have not even said/done/announced.

ITT: Poor people crucifying a development company for nickel-and-diming them when that developer is actually providing them with a tool to save a lot of nickels.

You tell 'em, Frothy. You tell 'em!

Jesus is proud.

 

[Onilordasmodeus]

@FrothyOmen People think anything that is a change is bad, regardless if it is proven or not in other semi-related arenas.

Since FGs are traditionally sold with 'X' amount of characters (more than one) in the base package, changing the base package to 1 character (even if free) is a scary propostion.

A "reasonably priced" F2P fighting games would be awesome for all those involved...period.

 

[Onilordasmodeus]

AK Juggs They probably would make buying all characters individually more expensive than just buying the the whole product because that is how they create the value proposition. Just think about the season passes and how they work. You can save $5 if you get the season pass, but pay $20 if you want to buy the characters individually.

 

[Juggs]

AK Juggs They probably would make buying all characters individually more expensive than just buying the the whole product because that is how they create the value proposition. Just think about the season passes and how they work. You can save $5 if you get the season pass, but pay $20 if you want to buy the characters individually.

Yeah but I don't think it would be such a big margin like $60 vs $160.

 

[FrothyOmen]

AK Juggs They probably would make buying all characters individually more expensive than just buying the the whole product because that is how they create the value proposition. Just think about the season passes and how they work. You can save $5 if you get the season pass, but pay $20 if you want to buy the characters individually.

This post is pure logic. I doubt the differential is going to be much more than 20 dollars max, if there is one at all. But it gets kind of sticky after you have bought a few characters and decide you want the full game... that's hella annoying to have to DL each character individually. I wonder what sort of solution they will come up with for the guy that has (example only here) 5/24 characters and wants the other 19.

 

[K3DC]

This post is pure logic. I doubt the differential is going to be much more than 20 dollars max, if there is one at all. But it gets kind of sticky after you have bought a few characters and decide you want the full game... that's hella annoying to have to DL each character individually. I wonder what sort of solution they will come up with for the guy that has (example only here) 5/24 characters and wants the other 19.

I imagine they would have character packs where you could 5, 10, or 15 chars... maybe. But why would you buy all the characters? Only a true master can main the whole roster.