Thank you! And yes i would like that please, also anyone who knows this match up can add anything as well... My Wonder Woman is still in process but i play very often with my friend that mains her and he is a beast, we both agreed on the solid 5-5 MU
No problem and thank you for contributing and hopefully everyone gets involved cause I'd love for this to be a community effort.
. I have some on WW, but I think your breakdown is a good foundation.
I have no idea. I never play that matchup lol. It seems pretty good for Lex because he can keep her out of the air pretty well. But other than that idk
Yeah np. I'll let you know when I'm getting on
Ohh kk, O: i didn't know that you can avoid then with MC since it's another hard to find MU ! And yes, now idk why is it that bad
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I will read it in the morning...I cant imagine he is too difficult to handle so im sure you are accurate. I will say that I'm thinking Cyborg is a bad MU...relaxed state eliminated me at EVO with cyb and I couldn't move...lolThere's a lot of little nuances to that match up. I just got lucky that I have a team member, a friend and others who play Lex that I've been playing.
I'm not disagreeing with her losing, but I think that match up is a lot of fun and interesting. I just from my experience disagree with it being comparable to her disadvantage match ups.
If I may ask, do you and anybody else want to add anything to the Grundy portion or do you generally agree? This is all up to discussion and I'm wiling when I wake up tomorrow to discuss anything
Cyborg is very momentum based, if you give him the space to start his IA garbage it gets annoying, otherwise its 5-5 or slight advantage HG.
whoa how the hell is it 5-5 upclose? his j3, swordspin and any random guns totally shit on anything hawkgirl can try.
Grundy's too free for hawkgirl. You can easily air MC away if he tries to WC/WCC his way in and without the hall of justice mini-tanks he has almost no way to get in. I have a few sets of me vs a solid local Grundy from a month or 2 ago that i posted in the footage thread that shows how bad this MU can get. The fact that HG can easily zone him out and on the ground she has many ways to get away and/or go airborne makes the MU really tough for grundy.- 6-4
One of Grundy’s main problems versus Hawkgirl is that he has a hard time dealing with her aerial diagonal mace toss zoning. Hawkgirl’s flight trait means that even Grundy’s full screen option of swamp hands is rendered relatively useless for getting in on her forcing him to inch in without the benefit of the mind game of MB swamp hands, which can launch for full combo.
When Grundy does get in on Hawkgirl it is very difficult for him to keep consistent offense going because Hawkgirl’s strings such as back 2, 3 distort her hitbox making walking corpse and other grabs whiff completely while still dealing solid damage and potentially launching Grundy for a full combo. Wing evade 2 and 3 are also great for evading his armored tools and getting a safe distance away to space him out, zone and play footsies. Mace charge shifts her hitbox making it entirely avoid grabs, but experienced Grundy players can use a MB cancelled walking corpse into down 2 to punish mace charge for full combo. This tactic requires meter and can be countered with MB mace charge although since Grundy has a very small hitbox at times MB mace charge’s second hit will whiff on him more so than most of the cast and you can be punished hard, but it does not happen too much to discourage usage of the MB version.
Not only does Hawkgirl set the pace of this match up and outzone him, her basic character design makes Grundy struggle to mount a consistent offensive game when Grundy does get in on her. Damage wise Grundy wins and he can check flight and ambiguous dive kick pressure with his down 2 and anti-air grab so you want to be wary of approaching him as he can check aerial opponents well enough up close.
He has to come to you and he has no way to take you down from flight aside from jumping in. He can use the shield to absorb the mace tosses but we still get the meter gain as if it hits and if you MB it he'll get the damage and usually get smacked coz it'll catch them trying to dash in.
. can't aquaman mb his water shield in response to her mb mace toss? aquaman players never use that though unless its to end a match it seems like though...
Depending on the timing MC sometimes just goes through from the deep, i wouldnt rely on it coz its kinda funky :Si feel like its a battle of 2 characters that want the other to come to them lol. from the deep is pretty annoying in that it catches you mid mace charge even though it appears behind
Hmm, imo once players get the grasp that you simply have to wait for her to come down that you can then hit her, this will change, at least for Grundy, NW, and KF.(I don't have an input for Aquaman, Joker or Lobo). NW, just like Harley, can IA their projectiles at the same rate you chuck your maces to evade them, while also gaining as much meter. If you want to get work done, you now have to waste meter to add in that extra hit but this also means you have to be in near enough which is right where they want you to be. These three as well have tracking specials that hit grounded opponents, mainly it hits at your location whether you are on the ground or not. If a Grundy player sees your flight mode run out and you start dropping, if he has the meter, he can catch you with EX swamp hands to then combo you for who knows how much. Same with KF and NW. KF has her MB icebergs which she can dash in and slide to connect depending on the distance(I think it will connect at like 7/8 of the screen, maybe even full screen), and NW while in escrima stance for the IA projectiles, can instantly go into his staff slam which he can MB and then follow up with another, or if he's close enough, he can connect a Flying Grayson. These characters as well, mainly NW, I know you don't want to be close to anyways. Just my speculation on it
