Guide - Grandmaster Sub-Zero GRANDMASTER Guide

[zoofs]

F4 xx ex statue, what are the frames on this thing? It doesn't jail or anything, but +2 or +3? Combined with the statue, I'm shredding Jax's ex dash fist with a b2 follow up.

Also, I guess GM players are using b33 ex ice blast in the corner, to stay safe on block. If you're one of those people, why not use b33 ex frost bomb? Still safe-ish, no gap between low and freeze, way more damage (b33 xx frost bomb, b2, d1, b12 xx clone, njp, jip, f12). If we're spending meter at all, this seems like the way to go.

I could be wrong but I'm pretty sure it's more plus than 2 or 3.

 

[RM Ree]

I could be wrong but I'm pretty sure it's more plus than 2 or 3.

That's my bad, I'm just waking up here lol. Yeah it'd have to be if Sub can swing that 17f b2 and hit Jax's 10f reversal before the hit comes out. That seems pretty significant, to the point where it's a guaranteed 50/50 in the corner, as it would break most armor attempts.

EDIT: f4 xx statue, forward dash makes Jax's reversal dash fist whiff right though SZ's face. iFrames?

 

[zoofs]

That's my bad, I'm just waking up here lol. Yeah it'd have to be if Sub can swing that 17f b2 and hit Jax's 10f reversal before the hit comes out. That seems pretty significant, to the point where it's a guaranteed 50/50 in the corner, as it would break most armor attempts.

EDIT: f4 xx statue, forward dash makes Jax's reversal dash fist whiff right though SZ's face. iFrames?

I was almost positive it jails to slide/d4 so 10f or so seems about right

 

[boba_buster]

Casual videos:

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This is how clone should work ! Lol

 

[RM Ree]

If you haven't seen it already...
http://testyourmight.com/threads/sz-corner-game.57170/

To go along with this, we should look into which normals and strings that, when canceled into clone, place the clone at a similar distance as in the videos (such that b2 won't cause a freeze on hit and opens up the possibility for shatter combos... Which we may also want to talk about again).

 

[Mileena_Monster90]

Is this guide still helpful to learn Sub Zero or did he get hard with nerfs (i came to the game late lol)

 

[zoofs]

Is this guide still helpful to learn Sub Zero or did he get hard with nerfs (i came to the game late lol)

its still useful for learning the gm basics but you should definitely look around the forums a lot and possibly just mess around with the char for a while in practice or watch some recent grandmaster gameplay to figure things out

 

[flappysamyhamy]

its still useful for learning the gm basics but you should definitely look around the forums a lot and possibly just mess around with the char for a while in practice or watch some recent grandmaster gameplay to figure things out

Don't watch Zoofs he sucks twitch.tv/flappysamyhamy

 

[RM Ree]

I'm expanding my corner gimmicks a little bit, thought I'd share one of my findings. Slide knockdown > freeze (corner) is the option I'm playing with.

The train of thought is that from far behind (close) clone, an opponent expects SZ to either b2 or 12, due to their ranges. Opponents can block high for b2 until they see SZ jab, then block low in anticipation of the lunging low. SZ could also jab, then b2 in an attempt to bait the low block... But that's pretty slow, and wouldn't work more than a few times.

At this point, SZ can use the option of slide to knock down into clone for a ~30% damage combo (slide > clone freeze, NJP, 4, 1, 123 xx slide) or the typical set up combo into f12 ender.

If blocked, this can be punished by some odd things that reach through clone, which is frustrating. But I feel like there is something to this type technique.

 

[tafka Djinn]

I'm expanding my corner gimmicks a little bit, thought I'd share one of my findings. Slide knockdown > freeze (corner) is the option I'm playing with.

The train of thought is that from far behind (close) clone, an opponent expects SZ to either b2 or 12, due to their ranges. Opponents can block high for b2 until they see SZ jab, then block low in anticipation of the lunging low. SZ could also jab, then b2 in an attempt to bait the low block... But that's pretty slow, and wouldn't work more than a few times.

At this point, SZ can use the option of slide to knock down into clone for a ~30% damage combo (slide > clone freeze, NJP, 4, 1, 123 xx slide) or the typical set up combo into f12 ender.

If blocked, this can be punished by some odd things that reach through clone, which is frustrating. But I feel like there is something to this type technique.

@crosshair271 has been doing this to me for either two or three months, it seems rather effective once you get the hang of it.

 

[RM Ree]

@crosshair271 has been doing this to me for either two or three months, it seems rather effective once you get the hang of it.

We should spread the word if it's really worth doing. I mean the new air freeze corner combo alone is worth something.

Another thing worth looking into is just how + an opponent being pushed into clone while blocking really is.

 

[youthinkyoubadyouaintbad]

does it make a difference whether u do ji1 or ji2 before the f12 ender on his corner combos?

 

[boba_buster]

does it make a difference whether u do ji1 or ji2 before the f12 ender on his corner combos?

Yes it does , ji2 connects waaaaaayyyy more bettersum

 

[RM Ree]

does it make a difference whether u do ji1 or ji2 before the f12 ender on his corner combos?

Yeah for some reason ji2 has a better post hit trajectory. This is true for midscreen conversions as well, keeping the opponent closer.

 

[Braindead]

I'm expanding my corner gimmicks a little bit, thought I'd share one of my findings. Slide knockdown > freeze (corner) is the option I'm playing with.

The train of thought is that from far behind (close) clone, an opponent expects SZ to either b2 or 12, due to their ranges. Opponents can block high for b2 until they see SZ jab, then block low in anticipation of the lunging low. SZ could also jab, then b2 in an attempt to bait the low block... But that's pretty slow, and wouldn't work more than a few times.

At this point, SZ can use the option of slide to knock down into clone for a ~30% damage combo (slide > clone freeze, NJP, 4, 1, 123 xx slide) or the typical set up combo into f12 ender.

If blocked, this can be punished by some odd things that reach through clone, which is frustrating. But I feel like there is something to this type technique.

Dat MK9 tech.

 

[Dankster Morgan]

I'm expanding my corner gimmicks a little bit, thought I'd share one of my findings. Slide knockdown > freeze (corner) is the option I'm playing with.

The train of thought is that from far behind (close) clone, an opponent expects SZ to either b2 or 12, due to their ranges. Opponents can block high for b2 until they see SZ jab, then block low in anticipation of the lunging low. SZ could also jab, then b2 in an attempt to bait the low block... But that's pretty slow, and wouldn't work more than a few times.

At this point, SZ can use the option of slide to knock down into clone for a ~30% damage combo (slide > clone freeze, NJP, 4, 1, 123 xx slide) or the typical set up combo into f12 ender.

If blocked, this can be punished by some odd things that reach through clone, which is frustrating. But I feel like there is something to this type technique.

This is actually pretty good

 

[xQUANTUMx]

F4 xx ex statue, what are the frames on this thing? It doesn't jail or anything, but +2 or +3? Combined with the statue, I'm shredding Jax's ex dash fist with a b2 follow up.

Also, I guess GM players are using b33 ex ice blast in the corner, to stay safe on block. If you're one of those people, why not use b33 ex frost bomb? Still safe-ish, no gap between low and freeze, way more damage (b33 xx frost bomb, b2, d1, b12 xx clone, njp, jip, f12). If we're spending meter at all, this seems like the way to go.

Def read based. You don't wanna be -10 against some chars lol

 

[RM Ree]

Def read based. You don't wanna be -10 against some chars lol

Yeah, this is some Erron Black yolo-type stuff I'm looking at. SZ himself can 11 punish it right through clones face so, I'm not sure how useful it'll end up. If nothing else, it's a true OH/ low mix up at b2's max range.

 

[Dankster Morgan]

Yeah, this is some Erron Black yolo-type stuff I'm looking at. SZ himself can 11 punish it right through clones face so, I'm not sure how useful it'll end up. If nothing else, it's a true OH/ low mix up at b2's max range.

Yeah they don't expect it if used sparingly. If the opponent sees SZ run in, they block low and get ready to tech a throw, it is definitely worthwhile in certain conditions imo. It gives them a low to think about at a longer range, opening them up for B2 based shatter combos.

 

[xQUANTUMx]

Yeah, this is some Erron Black yolo-type stuff I'm looking at. SZ himself can 11 punish it right through clones face so, I'm not sure how useful it'll end up. If nothing else, it's a true OH/ low mix up at b2's max range.

At the cost of meter, but covering your bases to be safe. Not bad. GM Sub doesn't really need as much meter in the corner anyway. Can possibly be used as a conditioning tool. Like ex fb is on the table, you gotta guess if you wanna let go of block and armor

 

[Lord Beef]

At the cost of meter, but covering your bases to be safe. Not bad. GM Sub doesn't really need as much meter in the corner anyway. Can possibly be used as a conditioning tool. Like ex fb is on the table, you gotta guess if you wanna let go of block and armor

That'ss why you only do exFB when you have two bars breh. ExFB blocked? EXFB!

 

[Ravosa]

I heard there's punch walk armor breaks that exist.. Is that true? What is it?

 

[Braindead]

I heard there's punch walk armor breaks that exist.. Is that true? What is it?

Set up clone, F4 xx EX Frost Bomb

 

[Ravosa]

Set up clone, F4 xx EX Frost Bomb

So no OH or low options?

 

[Braindead]

So no OH or low options?

B3 EX Frost Bomb might work, but I doubt it. No OH options.