People who think counter-picking is "sleezy or impure"

[Peckapowa]

You play Zod and Martian, lets not pretend that any of your matchups are extremely difficult lol

I play a lot of other characters too

 

[Indigeau]

I don't think that counter picking is 'sleazy' or 'impure', but don't you think it's just as judgmental to say that people who pick characters in the lower 50% of the cast deserve to be counter-picked and lose?

I mean, let's be honest here. We've all been here through the patch. We've seen Jokers beat Batmans. We've seen Banes beat Supermans. We've seen Lexes beat Martians. So while character advantage, to an extent, can matter, at the end of the day it's possible that the player wins the matchup, instead of the character. Working through a character's bad matchups, in my opinion, often shows a greater work ethic as a player, but I can't truly fault someone for counter-picking in general, especially if it's at a tournament when money is on the line. That said, while being counter-picked is irksome, irritates some people, and can cause some to call you sleazy or slimy or whatever, the fact that it doesn't faze some people enough to get them to switch from their main to someone who may be 'higher tier' does not by any stretch of imagination mean they deserve to lose that match.


tl;dr, what Qwark said.

 

[Peckapowa]

I don't think that counter picking is 'sleazy' or 'impure', but don't you think it's just as judgmental to say that people who pick characters in the lower 50% of the cast deserve to be counter-picked and lose?

I mean, let's be honest here. We've all been here through the patch. We've seen Jokers beat Batmans. We've seen Banes beat Supermans. We've seen Lexes beat Martians. So while character advantage, to an extent, can matter, at the end of the day it's possible that the player wins the matchup, instead of the character. Working through a character's bad matchups, in my opinion, often shows a greater work ethic as a player, but I can't truly fault someone for counter-picking in general, especially if it's at a tournament when money is on the line. That said, while being counter-picked is irksome, irritates some people, and can cause some to call you sleazy or slimy or whatever, the fact that it doesn't faze some people enough to get them to switch from their main to someone who may be 'higher tier' does not by any stretch of imagination mean they deserve to lose that match.


tl;dr, what Qwark said.

true, i didn't say they deserve to lose though

 

[Insidiousballer]

"... you go to tournaments to win, period. Now it goes along way, and i've learned the hard way, playing with more than one character can fuck you over because people like woundcowboy MASTER one character and it shows.." Can't for the life of me figure out why you picked wound as an example of someone who has mastered their respective character. Sure, he's an ok player, but he gets his back blown out against the best players. His one tournament win was against PL in grand finals, who is probably not a top 32 player in this game anymore. How long does it take to unwrap the plastic off the game and learn to meterburn fireballs?

 

[Justice]

I prefer to play challenging mus because its fun and teaches me online



the stronger the community, the longer a game is played, the number of viable characters decreases significantly, this game similarlly to mk9 which has kenshi freddie sonya kabal, has characters that cause many lopsided matchups (zod, aquaman, martian manhunter)

if we had 20 reos mk9 would have been VERY VERY VERY different and much more mundane

I couldn't disagree more. We had the majority of the community playing Kabal either as a main or secondary and still top 8s were more than Kabal mirrors. And even with that, nothing was mundane.

Now imagine if we had 20 REOs each with a unique main. How rocking would that be?

 

[VenomX-90]

Its kinda bitch move in my opinion, I mean if you are gonna use your main use it, dont fucking puss out by waiting for your opponent to pick first. Im not talking about MU either. just Man up and your your main or if you pick one stick with that character.

 

[arde5643]

A you seriously suggesting that 16 Bit only got second because of an easy bracket? And people think I'm nutz...

Please stop putting words into my statement if you don't even understand what I'm stating.

I don't think I ever said 16bit had an easy bracket - not sure where you guys are assuming such ridiculousness from my statement.
But the right bracket means he gets match-ups that aren't all Aquaman-Catwoman or Sinestro-Catwoman level matchups all the way from pools to top 8. The right bracket helps since match-ups matter the whole world in this game compared to Mortal Kombat.

Should I even define semantically what the right bracket means in this case since it seems some posters took offense of the word even though they just want to assume the worst?

 

[Groove Heaven]

My philosophy is this, if you have the confidence and skill to play more than one character at a high level, why not exploit that fact... you go to tournaments to win, period.

This basically sums up my opinion on the matter. The ability to counterpick is the reward for putting in the time and having the skill to play multiple characters at a high level.

 

[ruff321]

Counterpicking is lame, but when you're in a tournament and odds are stacked against you, you gotta do what you gotta do. Also, it depends on the MU. If the MU is 2-8 and you counterpick with another character then it's fine. I think it's extremely lame when people counterpicks even though it's an even MU or 4-6.

 

[EMPEROR PRYCE]

whats wrong with doomsday? the character is simple by design, which is agreeable. that DOESNT mean hes by any means an EASY character to get top 8 with. With him being so easy to pick up and play, EVERYONE should have enough DD experience to win against the character, yet great players are still losing to him. What does that mean? OBVIOUSLY hes a competent character and anyone that plays him at a "high level" shouldnt be scrutinized for doing so. You can argue that the character is brain dead, but if thats the case.. so is Martian, with a slightly high execution barrier. Regardless, combos in this game are so retardedly easy, character execution shouldnt be a factor.. unless your talking about The Joker (who has quite a few tough combos, which even still.. arent that hard)

Counterpicking in tournament isn't bad, better yet, it isnt HORRIBLE. I look down on it, especially when people claim to be "character specialist", lose, and then have to resort to aquaman or superman or whoever.. If someone like Wonderchef were to be caught counter picking.. that'd be fine, the dude mains the whole cast. Same with perfect legend, he spends an even amount of time on each character and doesnt claim to be the "character" of america. Now if forever king or reo begin counter picking everytime they lose a round, it makes them look bad. tournaments are for money obviously, which is acceptable, but its going to make them look bad and they have to be ready for the complaints that are going to come with it.

Also... counterpicking online is the most scumbag, stupidest shit ever (unless its for one of pigs win a trip tournaments.. then i understand )

 

[Doombawkz]

You don't counterpick Bane. Either you know how to fight him on your character, or you don't.
You can't just pick Flash and expect to win.

 

[Perdition]

Counterpicking in a tournament is a perfectly acceptable strategy, but these assholes in online casuals who refuse to pick a character until you do and then run down the timer so the stage is random can burn in hell.

Here, here!

 

[juicepouch]

"... you go to tournaments to win, period. Now it goes along way, and i've learned the hard way, playing with more than one character can fuck you over because people like woundcowboy MASTER one character and it shows.." Can't for the life of me figure out why you picked wound as an example of someone who has mastered their respective character. Sure, he's an ok player, but he gets his back blown out against the best players. His one tournament win was against PL in grand finals, who is probably not a top 32 player in this game anymore. How long does it take to unwrap the plastic off the game and learn to meterburn fireballs?

I don't think this is a fair or particularly accurate description of Wound's abilities. I think he has spent a lot of time being emo about the pushblock being taken out as of late and he may have performed under expectation at SCR, but he went in as a favorite for a reason. Top players endorse his skills likewise for a reason. The guy is very good

 

[Hades]

Is it still considered counter picking if you play two characters at a high level and decide rather than playing a 7-3 youll go for a 5-5?

 

[arde5643]

"... you go to tournaments to win, period. Now it goes along way, and i've learned the hard way, playing with more than one character can fuck you over because people like woundcowboy MASTER one character and it shows.." Can't for the life of me figure out why you picked wound as an example of someone who has mastered their respective character. Sure, he's an ok player, but he gets his back blown out against the best players. His one tournament win was against PL in grand finals, who is probably not a top 32 player in this game anymore. How long does it take to unwrap the plastic off the game and learn to meterburn fireballs?

Man, this community's insistence on downplaying and insulting players when they don't perform well every single tourney - really, guys? really? You expect all top players to perform very well every tourney - reaching top 8 every single time?

smh

 

[Pan1cMode]

You don't counterpick Bane. Either you know how to fight him on your character, or you don't.
You can't just pick Flash and expect to win.

You best bet I'll be using Zatanna against Bane instead of BG. It's not that I don't know the Bane MU as BG or don't think I'll win, it's just it's so much easier as Zatanna.

I'm really looking forward to EVO haha. If you're going hopefully we can run the Bane/BG and Bane/Zatanna MUs (although the second one is terribad for Bane )

 

[Dirtylova]

Counterpicking in a tournament is a perfectly acceptable strategy, but these assholes in online casuals who refuse to pick a character until you do and then run down the timer so the stage is random can burn in hell.

We are now broski's.... Keepo

 

[Pig Of The Hut]

The worst is when people u play online tell U who to pick

 

[Vulcan Hades]

I don't care about people counter picking or being character loyalists.

But something I hate seeing is top players use characters they barely understand just because on paper the MU is slightly more advantageous than their main.

It's silly because the MU is only 6-4 or 7-3 if you play your pocket at the highest level. And LBSH if it's a pocket it's not going to be top. imo If you're serious about counter picking you have to main 2-3 characters MAX not have 10 average pockets. You just have to find your characters weakness then find a good alt that covers his bad MUs.

 

[shaowebb]

I play who I like till its not fun. That said you couldn't make me play Hawkgirl vs Sinestro or Green Arrow vs Bane at tourney ever. Some times you just friggin' counterpick man. You dont want to play some stuff.

I was a character loyalist in Marvel as a lifelong Iron Fist fan...sucked. Learned my lesson.

 

[Gesture Required Ahead]

The worst is when people u play online tell U who to pick

"Pick Joker, dude, let's have a Batman vs Joker match. Dude wtf, pick Joker. Dude...come one don't be a bitch pick Joker."
*Quits*

 

[Name v.5.0]

Counterpicking in a tournament is a perfectly acceptable strategy, but these assholes in online casuals who refuse to pick a character until you do and then run down the timer so the stage is random can burn in hell.

Dude, sometimes I hide my pick when people do this and they rage quit, and message me something like this: "WTF? Be a man and show me who you're going to play."

What planet are these people from? Dude just took a loss because he couldn't counter pick me?!?!?!?

 

[Insuperable]

I regret not doing this in mk9. My Cyrax was g0dliek, but I would've felt like a scumbag hahaha

 

[Justice]

Some people can do it and prosper, some people can't and yet still prosper.
Fortunately Injustice, besides being a heavy match-up based game, have enough gimmicks and shenanigans where with the right brackets, NON-TOP TIER character loyalists can still eek it out to top 16 or at times even top 8.

Please stop putting words into my statement if you don't even understand what I'm stating.

I don't think I ever said 16bit had an easy bracket - not sure where you guys are assuming such ridiculousness from my statement.
But the right bracket means he gets match-ups that aren't all Aquaman-Catwoman or Sinestro-Catwoman level matchups all the way from pools to top 8. The right bracket helps since match-ups matter the whole world in this game compared to Mortal Kombat.

Should I even define semantically what the right bracket means in this case since it seems some posters took offense of the word even though they just want to assume the worst?

Anyone who doesn't know what you mean by the "right bracket" shouldn't be on this site. You flat-out state that a "NON-TOP TIER character loyalist" cannot win a tournament at all and can even just barely make top 8 ONLY if the bracket is full of the few favourable matchups for said non-top tier character. I only used 16bit as an example as he's the most recent top placer with what is arguably a bottom-tier character. Just like your other statement about MK would lead one to believe that you think that MK isn't a much more heavily MU-based game than Injustice is.

LBSH, even top tier characters can have the "wrong brackets" for them. The difference is that it's a much harder thing to pull off and the player is much more likely to overcome the bad matchups and win.

 

[9_Lives]

The worst is when people u play online tell U who to pick

I always think of that guy in the Mr. Mileena salt video that kept telling him to play Joker, lol.