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No, because it usually takes more than 10 minutes to master Kabal.Do you guys feel like Aquaman is the Kabal of Injustice at this point? Just curious.
No, because it usually takes more than 10 minutes to master Kabal.Do you guys feel like Aquaman is the Kabal of Injustice at this point? Just curious.
Top Cyraxes, Kabals and Laos:This isn't the thread for this conversation, but I'm starting to realize MK9 may have not been as unbalanced as I thought. When you think about who was winning tournaments, you come up with the same names over and over. Of course a high level player like REO is going to be a high level Baraka or something, but outside of him....who really? Detroit? yea he had his moment in the sun, but tournaments do have variables, as does life.
I enjoyed reading this just for the memories lol.@TomlulsBrady @CD jr @Karried : Let me answer this for you.
@CrimsonShadow
KnowYourFacts 4.0:
CrimsonShadow Edition aka "Kabal/Cyrax/Lao** won almost all of the tournaments".
Notes:
- Note 1: Kung Lao is not even top 5. But you surely named him to have a wider range of "truth" in your statement.
- Note 2: **There you have a Bison-type option select that no matter what, will "prove you right". Since more than half of the top 10 best players (PL, REO, CDjr, Denzell, Detroit, Maxter) used Cyrax, Kabal and/or Lao at some point. So now, it's not the player (as you say when "REO can't win without Kabal" comes around) but the character. REO wins = Kabal is OP, PL wins = Lao is top 3 and so on...That would be like me saying: "name an Injustice post-patch tournament not won by MMH, Superman, Batgirl, Aquaman or Batman where Jupiter, KDZ, SonicFox, Theo and Forever King weren't there".
MK9 tournament results post-April-19th-of-2012 to date. At least one of CrimsonShadow's tops were in attendance, except when indicated.
- Note 3: Maxter (along MIT and DJT) was a counterpick master. He was, for sure, the best Cyrax. But he used Cage and Sektor as well. Sometimes even Lao and Kitana.
MLG Arena: Spring Fighter (April 28th, 2012)
Top Cyrax, top Kabals. Jax/Smoke wins.
- 1st Place: CDjr
- 2nd Place: DetroitBalln
- 3rd/4th Place: Maxter, REO
- 5th/6th Place: Curbolicous, KT Smith
- 7th/8th Place: Riu, CrazyDominican
Civil War 4 (April 29th, 2012)
Great Kabal. Kabal wins.
- 1st Place: KevoDaMan
- 2nd Place: Blackula
- 3rd Place: SwiftTomHanks
- 4th Place: FC NYChrisG
- 5th Place: Flipin Flava, Citizen Snips
- 7th Place: Impact The Masses, LulzLo
Seasons Beatings Summer Slam (May 5th, 2012)
Great Lao. Freddy wins.
- 1st Place: m2dave
- 2nd Place: GGA Dizzy
- 3rd Place: AL| MK_Legend
- 4th Place: GGA Wafflez
- 5th Place: CoCo| FOREVER KING, Master D.
- 7th Place: GGA Medina4life, GGA soonk
Toryuken (May 20th, 2012)
Top Kabal, top Cyrax* (used Sektor), great Cyrax. Kabal wins.
- 1st Place: vVv|REO
- 2nd Place: VSM||Maxter*
- 3rd Place: xSMoKEx
- 4th Place: BA|w1nter warz
- 5. TTT|NeoRussell, JL|Milky Situation
- 7. VSM|Insuperable, EG|Justin Wong
UFGT 8 (May 27th, 2012)
Great Kabal. Kabal wins.
- 1st Place: DRS.MCZ|KevoDaMan
- 2nd Place:. Pig of the Hut
- 3rd Place: GGA|Dizzy
- 4th Place: Slips (Scorpion)
- 5th Place: FR|ClinttheBeast, Ikizzle
- 7th Place: GGA|Soonk, GGA|16bit
East Coast Throwdown 4 (June 10th, 2012)
Great Kabal, Great Cyrax (WinterWarz places 9th). Mileena wins.
- 1st Place: Sawnik Fawx
- 2nd Place: DRS|MCZ Kevo Da Man
- 3rd Place: WNBA XKhaotikX
- 4th Place: TOS Nerd
- 5th Place: Eazail/ WNBA SwiftTomHanks
- 7th Place: Peckapowa/ WNBA Jer
MLG Anaheim (June 10th, 2012)
Top Kabals, Top Lao . Kabal/Shang wins.
- 1st Place: KN|DetroitBalln
- 2nd Place: DJT1993
- 3rd Place: EMP|Perfect Legend
- 4th Place: vVv|CDjr
- 5th Place: EGP|Tyrant, Pig of the Hut
- 7th Place: GGA|Dizzy, GGA|16Bit
CEO 2012 (June 17th, 2012)
Top Kabal, Top Cyrax. REO wins with Kenshi.
- 1st Place: vVv|REO
- 2nd Place: CD Jr.
- 3rd Place: ESA|Big D
- 4th Place: VSM|Maxster
- 5th Place: Noobe, DR
- 7th Place: Trepound, FGA|Bombito
EVO 2012 (July 8th, 2012)
Top Kabals (Detroit, REO), top Cyrax (Maxter) and great Cyrax (WinterWarz). Kung Lao wins.
- 1st Place: EMP|Perfect Legend
- 2nd Place: vVv|CD Jr
- 3rd Place: TFA|Pig of the Hut
- 4th Place: IGL|MIT
- 5th Place: CoCo|Forever King, EGP|XBlades
- 7th Place: EGP|Tyrant, CoCo|M2Dave
VxG 2012 (July 20th, 2012)
Top Kung Lao. Sektor wins.
- 1st Place: DPGL Gross
- 2nd Perfect Legend
- 3rd Takebusface
- 4th SOE_Phoenix
- 5th Double M, AJ
- 7th Muthundo, DPGL-Luiman
MLG Arena: Summer Fighter (August 11th, 2012)
Top Kabal. Kenshi wins.
- 1st Place: Pig of the Hut
- 2nd Place: GGA Dizzy
- 3rd/4th Place: GGA 16Bit, EGPTyrant
- 5th/6th Place: Riu48, EMP REO
- 7th/8th Place: DJT1993, KT_Smith
MLG Raleigh (August 26th, 2012)
Top Kabal. Top Cyrax. Great Cyrax (WinterWarz). Kabal wins.
- 1st Place: OBS EMP REO
- 2nd Place: DMG CD Jr
- 3rd Place: VSM Maxter
- 4th Place: Pig of the Hut
- 5th Place: KN EMP Perfect Legend, KH Showtime
- 7th Place: GGA 16 Bit, FR Clint The Beast
*Summer Jam 6 (August 26th, 2012)
No tops. No greats. Baraka in top 8. Mileena wins.
- 1st Place: RM|SawnicFawx 5000
- 2nd Place: HGTV|SwiftTomHanks
- 3rd Place: RPD|Alex Smith
- 4th Place: 7L
- 5th Place: Joker8417, TetraSpirit
- 7th Place: Bobbert, FC|NYChrisG
Season Beatings: Ascension (October 1st, 2012)
Top Kabal, Top Lao, Great Kabal, Great Cyrax. Johnny Cage wins.
- 1st Place: GGA|Dizzy
- 2nd Place: Perfect Legend
- 3rd Place: GGA|Wafflez
- 4th Place: DMG.MCZ|CDjr
- 5th Place: CoCo|M2Dave , BS.VSM|W1nter Warz
- 7th Place: Slips , GGA|Han
Toronto Series XIII (October 14th, 2012)
Top Kabal. Top Cyrax. Great Kung Lao. Great Cyrax. Kung Lao Wins.
- 1st Place: DMG.MCZ|CDjr
- 2nd Place: REO
- 3rd Place: VSM|Maxter
- 4th Place: BA.VSM|WinterWarz
- 5th Place: Death, OBS|K-Frog
- 7th Place: OBS|Jer, xSmokex
*Canada Cup 2012 (October 28th, 2012)
No tops. No greats. Simply The Best (of Canada) wins. Quan Chi takes it.
- 1st Place: STB|Shujinkydink
- 2nd Place: EG|Justin Wong
- 3rd Place: Hollywood T-Smoke
- 4th Place: Merlando
MLG Dallas (November 3rd, 2012)
Top Kabal. Top Cyrax. Top Laos. Great Lao. Great Kabal. Kabal wins.
- 1st Place: KN|REO
- 2nd Place: VSM|Maxter
- 3rd Place: TFA|Pig of the Hutt
- 4th Place: GGA|Dizzy
- 5th Place: KN|CrazyDominican, GGA|16-Bit
- 7th Place: OBS|MIT, OBS|DJT
*Youmacon Battle Opera (November 4th, 2012)
No tops. No greats. Sonya Blade wins.
- 1st Place: Compbros
- 2nd Place: EG|Justin Wong
- 3rd Place: CORN|Wulfgang Mellow
- 4th Place: Clise
NEC XIII (December 2nd, 2012)
Top Kabal. Top Cyrax. Great Lao. Sub-Zero in top 8! Kabal wins.
- 1st Place: OBS.EMP|REO
- 2nd Place: VSM.EMP|Maxter
- 3rd Place: DMG.MCZ|CDjr
- 4th Place: RM|SawnikFawx
- 5th Place: GGA|16Bit, EGP|Tyrant
- 7th Place: VSM|RIU48, EMP|Tom Brady
*Frosty Faustings V (December 29th, 2012)
No tops. No greats. Kenshi wins.
- 1st Place: TFA/RZR | Pig of the Hut
- 2nd Place: GGA | Dizzy
- 3rd Place: GGA | 16-Bit
- 4th Place: Pimpimjim
- 5th Place: Tom Brady, Soonk
- 7th Place: Grunty Pants, GGA | Wafflez
SoCal Reionals 2013 (January 20th, 2013)
Top Kabal. Top Cyrax...Jax vs Shang in Grand Finals?! Jax wins.
- 1st Place: EGP|Tyrant
- 2nd Place: WoundCowboy
- 3rd Place: DJT
- 4th Place: KN.CORN|Detroitballin
- 5th Place: EGP|XBlades, GGA|16 Bit
- 7th Place: C88DAB, Pig of the Hut
Winter Brawl 7 (Febraury 24th, 2013)
Top Cyrax. Top Kabal. Great Kung Lao. Kabal/Sonya wins.
- 1st Place: EMPR|Curbolicous
- 2nd Place: CrazySawnikFawx88
- 3rd Place: PTH|Khaotik88
- 4th Place: EMPR|Noobe
- 5th Place: EGP.OSB.EMPR|Tyrant, ForeverKing
- 7th Place: PTH.VSM|Rev0lver88, EMPR.DPGL|Gross
Final Round XIV (March 31st, 2013)
Top Kabal, Top Kung Lao. Top Kenshi was there too. Smoke vs Shang in Grand Finals. Smoke wins.
- 1st Place: GGA Wafflez
- 2nd Place: WoundCowboy
- 3rd Place: EMPR/KH_Scar
- 4th Place: EMPR_EGP_TYRANT
- 5th Place: EMPR-EMP-DPGL Gross, GGA Jeremiah
- 7th: Perfect Legend, Pokchop
*Texas Showdown (April 14th, 2013)
No tops. No greats. Skarlet wins.
- 1st Place: KH|Scar
- 2nd Place: KH|Showtime
- 3rd Place: AGE|NYChrisG
- 4th Place: KH|Cat
- 5th Place: KH|Lumberzach, KH|GamerBlake
- 7th Place: ShantxterX, ESP|Black
Civil War V (April 21st, 2013)
Top Kabal. Kabal wins.
- 1st Place: OBS.EMP|REO
- 2nd Place: LOD|Khaotik8
- 3rd Place: PTH|Lulzlou
- 4th Place: Blackula
- 5th Place: Witness, PTH|Astronaut
- 7th Place: Spartan00, Mr. Aquaman
NorCal Regionals (April 28th, 2013)
Great Kung Lao. Ermac/Kung Lao wins.
- 1st Place: EGP|PBoardPlayer88
- 2nd Place: MF|Slayer 909
- 3rd Place: Wound Cowboy 88
- 4th Place: Blind Ducky
Toryuken (May 5th, 2013)
Great Cyrax. Top Cyrax. Cyrax wins.
- 1st Place: BA.VSM|W1nterWarz
- 2nd Place: GGA|Han
- 3rd Place: MattOverMind
- 4th Place: GGA|PPJeezus
- 5th Place: EMP.OBS|Maxter, GGA|Soonk
- 7. DomChalant, MTL|Jer
East Coast Throwdown V (May 18th, 2013)
Top Kabal. Great Kabal. Great Lao. Kabal wins.
- 1st Place: EMP|REO
- 2nd Place: SawnikFawx (Mileena, Sonya)
- 3rd Place: AGE|NYChrisG
- 4th Place: Khaotik
- 5th Place: CDjr
UFGT 9 (May 27th, 2013)
Top Kabal. Top Kung Lao. Great Kung Lao. Johnny Cage/Kung Lao wins.
- 1st Place: GGA|Dizzy
- 2nd Place: Forever King
- 3rd Place: GGA|16Bit
- 4th Place: Crazy88|MIT
- 5th Place: GGA|Wafflez, Perfect Legend
- 7th Place: GGA|Soonk (Kabal), GGA|PimPimJim
CEO 2013 (June 30th, 2013)
Top Kabal. Top Kung Lao. Kung Lao/Kabal wins.
- 1st Place: FNATIC|Perfect Legend
- 2nd Place: VxG.EMP|Gross
- 3rd Place: GGA|Wafflez
- 4th Place: GGA|16 Bit
- 5th Place: Pig of the Hut, AK.OBS|Trepound
- 7th Place: VxG.EMP|Noobe, OBS|BigD
EVO 2013 (July 14th, 2013)
Top Kabals. Top Kung Laos. Top Cyraxes. Great Kung Laos. Great Kabals. Cyrax wins*.
- 1st Place: Crazy DJT88
- 2st Place: VxG.EMP|REO
- 3rd Place: My God 88
- 4th Place: Forever King 88
- 5th Place: Fnatic|Perfect Legend, GGA|16 Bit
- 7th Place: RDK.CORN|Detroit Balln, Wound Cowboy 88
*First and only major won by Cyrax in the U.S.
VxG 2013 (July 28th, 2013)
Top Kabals. Top Kung Lao. Great Kung Lao. Johnny Cage wins.
- 1st Place: GGA|Dizzy
- 2nd Place: GGA|16-Bit
- 3rd Place: GGA|Wafflez
- 4th Place: EMP|CD Jr
- 5th Place: AGE|NYChrisG (Reptile), Curbolicious
- 7th FNATIC|Perfect Legend, DK|Mitsurugi
Summer Jam 7 (August 18th, 2013)
Great Kung Lao. Mileena/Sonya wins.
- 1st Place: C88|SonicFox5000
- 2nd Place: Forever King
- 3rd Place: C88.PTH|Khaotik
- 4th Place: Mike Metroid
NEC 14 (December 8th, 2013)
Great Kung Lao. Kung Lao/Cyrax/Kenshi wins.
- 1st Place: Forever King
- 2nd Place: MikeMetroid
- 3rd Place: Sawnik Fawx
- 4th Place: MF Slayer
Frosty Faustings VI (December 29th, 2013)
Top Kabal. Top Kung Lao. Kabal/Kung Lao wins.
- 1st Place: FNATIC|Perfect Legend
- 2nd Place: GGA|Dizzy
- 3rd Place: Semi Evil Ryu
SoCal Regionals (March 2nd, 2014)
Top Cyrax. Great Kung Laos. Kung Lao/Ermac wins.
- 1st Place: EGP|PBoardPlayer 88
- 2nd Place: KIT|Forever King
- 3rd Place: GGA|16-Bit
- 4th Place: EGP|West Coast Jeff
- 5th Place: C88|DJT, EGP|MF Slayer
- 7th Place: EGP|Krayzie, C88|MIT
UFGT X (May 25th, 2014)
Top Kabal. Top Kung Lao. Great Kung Lao. Kung Lao/Kabal/Kenshi wins.
- 1st Place: FNATIC|Perfect Legend
- 2nd Place: GGA|Dizzy
- 3rd Place: GGA|16 Bit
- 4th Place: HB|Tyrant
- 5th Place: KiT|ForeverKing, GGA|Wafflez
- 7. FRQ.EMPR|Theo, EMPR|Noobe
That's pretty much it. And here is where everything turns interesting.
Total number of tournaments: 37
Kabal-only wins: 8 (2 of them were Canadian tournaments)
Kung Lao-only wins: 1
Cyrax-only wins: 2 (Only one in the U.S.)
I'll edit these numbers later, first I have a few questions:
How do we count a major win for a certain character? Only if the player used nobody but that character throughout the entire tournament? Or the character that won the last match of grand finals?
I would count which Characters the person winnig used in Top8. If you count only Tournaments where a person used only one Character you cut down the potential sample size by alot.@TomlulsBrady @CD jr @Karried : Let me answer this for you.
@CrimsonShadow
KnowYourFacts 4.0:
CrimsonShadow Edition aka "Kabal/Cyrax/Lao** won almost all of the tournaments".
Notes:
- Note 1: Kung Lao is not even top 5. But you surely named him to have a wider range of "truth" in your statement.
- Note 2: **There you have a Bison-type option select that no matter what, will "prove you right". Since more than half of the top 10 best players (PL, REO, CDjr, Denzell, Detroit, Maxter) used Cyrax, Kabal and/or Lao at some point. So now, it's not the player (as you say when "REO can't win without Kabal" comes around) but the character. REO wins = Kabal is OP, PL wins = Lao is top 3 and so on...That would be like me saying: "name an Injustice post-patch tournament not won by MMH, Superman, Batgirl, Aquaman or Batman where Jupiter, KDZ, SonicFox, Theo and Forever King weren't there".
MK9 tournament results post-April-19th-of-2012 to date. At least one of CrimsonShadow's tops were in attendance, except when indicated.
- Note 3: Maxter (along MIT and DJT) was a counterpick master. He was, for sure, the best Cyrax. But he used Cage and Sektor as well. Sometimes even Lao and Kitana.
MLG Arena: Spring Fighter (April 28th, 2012)
Top Cyrax, top Kabals. Jax/Smoke wins.
- 1st Place: CDjr
- 2nd Place: DetroitBalln
- 3rd/4th Place: Maxter, REO
- 5th/6th Place: Curbolicous, KT Smith
- 7th/8th Place: Riu, CrazyDominican
Civil War 4 (April 29th, 2012)
Great Kabal. Kabal wins.
- 1st Place: KevoDaMan
- 2nd Place: Blackula
- 3rd Place: SwiftTomHanks
- 4th Place: FC NYChrisG
- 5th Place: Flipin Flava, Citizen Snips
- 7th Place: Impact The Masses, LulzLo
Seasons Beatings Summer Slam (May 5th, 2012)
Great Lao. Freddy wins.
- 1st Place: m2dave
- 2nd Place: GGA Dizzy
- 3rd Place: AL| MK_Legend
- 4th Place: GGA Wafflez
- 5th Place: CoCo| FOREVER KING, Master D.
- 7th Place: GGA Medina4life, GGA soonk
Toryuken (May 20th, 2012)
Top Kabal, top Cyrax* (used Sektor), great Cyrax. Kabal wins.
- 1st Place: vVv|REO
- 2nd Place: VSM||Maxter*
- 3rd Place: xSMoKEx
- 4th Place: BA|w1nter warz
- 5. TTT|NeoRussell, JL|Milky Situation
- 7. VSM|Insuperable, EG|Justin Wong
UFGT 8 (May 27th, 2012)
Great Kabal. Kabal wins.
- 1st Place: DRS.MCZ|KevoDaMan
- 2nd Place:. Pig of the Hut
- 3rd Place: GGA|Dizzy
- 4th Place: Slips (Scorpion)
- 5th Place: FR|ClinttheBeast, Ikizzle
- 7th Place: GGA|Soonk, GGA|16bit
East Coast Throwdown 4 (June 10th, 2012)
Great Kabal, Great Cyrax (WinterWarz places 9th). Mileena wins.
- 1st Place: Sawnik Fawx
- 2nd Place: DRS|MCZ Kevo Da Man
- 3rd Place: WNBA XKhaotikX
- 4th Place: TOS Nerd
- 5th Place: Eazail/ WNBA SwiftTomHanks
- 7th Place: Peckapowa/ WNBA Jer
MLG Anaheim (June 10th, 2012)
Top Kabals, Top Lao . Kabal/Shang wins.
- 1st Place: KN|DetroitBalln
- 2nd Place: DJT1993
- 3rd Place: EMP|Perfect Legend
- 4th Place: vVv|CDjr
- 5th Place: EGP|Tyrant, Pig of the Hut
- 7th Place: GGA|Dizzy, GGA|16Bit
CEO 2012 (June 17th, 2012)
Top Kabal, Top Cyrax. REO wins with Kenshi.
- 1st Place: vVv|REO
- 2nd Place: CD Jr.
- 3rd Place: ESA|Big D
- 4th Place: VSM|Maxster
- 5th Place: Noobe, DR
- 7th Place: Trepound, FGA|Bombito
EVO 2012 (July 8th, 2012)
Top Kabals (Detroit, REO), top Cyrax (Maxter) and great Cyrax (WinterWarz). Kung Lao wins.
- 1st Place: EMP|Perfect Legend
- 2nd Place: vVv|CD Jr
- 3rd Place: TFA|Pig of the Hut
- 4th Place: IGL|MIT
- 5th Place: CoCo|Forever King, EGP|XBlades
- 7th Place: EGP|Tyrant, CoCo|M2Dave
VxG 2012 (July 20th, 2012)
Top Kung Lao. Sektor wins.
- 1st Place: DPGL Gross
- 2nd Perfect Legend
- 3rd Takebusface
- 4th SOE_Phoenix
- 5th Double M, AJ
- 7th Muthundo, DPGL-Luiman
MLG Arena: Summer Fighter (August 11th, 2012)
Top Kabal. Kenshi wins.
- 1st Place: Pig of the Hut
- 2nd Place: GGA Dizzy
- 3rd/4th Place: GGA 16Bit, EGPTyrant
- 5th/6th Place: Riu48, EMP REO
- 7th/8th Place: DJT1993, KT_Smith
MLG Raleigh (August 26th, 2012)
Top Kabal. Top Cyrax. Great Cyrax (WinterWarz). Kabal wins.
- 1st Place: OBS EMP REO
- 2nd Place: DMG CD Jr
- 3rd Place: VSM Maxter
- 4th Place: Pig of the Hut
- 5th Place: KN EMP Perfect Legend, KH Showtime
- 7th Place: GGA 16 Bit, FR Clint The Beast
*Summer Jam 6 (August 26th, 2012)
No tops. No greats. Baraka in top 8. Mileena wins.
- 1st Place: RM|SawnicFawx 5000
- 2nd Place: HGTV|SwiftTomHanks
- 3rd Place: RPD|Alex Smith
- 4th Place: 7L
- 5th Place: Joker8417, TetraSpirit
- 7th Place: Bobbert, FC|NYChrisG
Season Beatings: Ascension (October 1st, 2012)
Top Kabal, Top Lao, Great Kabal, Great Cyrax. Johnny Cage wins.
- 1st Place: GGA|Dizzy
- 2nd Place: Perfect Legend
- 3rd Place: GGA|Wafflez
- 4th Place: DMG.MCZ|CDjr
- 5th Place: CoCo|M2Dave , BS.VSM|W1nter Warz
- 7th Place: Slips , GGA|Han
Toronto Series XIII (October 14th, 2012)
Top Kabal. Top Cyrax. Great Kung Lao. Great Cyrax. Kung Lao Wins.
- 1st Place: DMG.MCZ|CDjr
- 2nd Place: REO
- 3rd Place: VSM|Maxter
- 4th Place: BA.VSM|WinterWarz
- 5th Place: Death, OBS|K-Frog
- 7th Place: OBS|Jer, xSmokex
*Canada Cup 2012 (October 28th, 2012)
No tops. No greats. Simply The Best (of Canada) wins. Quan Chi takes it.
- 1st Place: STB|Shujinkydink
- 2nd Place: EG|Justin Wong
- 3rd Place: Hollywood T-Smoke
- 4th Place: Merlando
MLG Dallas (November 3rd, 2012)
Top Kabal. Top Cyrax. Top Laos. Great Lao. Great Kabal. Kabal wins.
- 1st Place: KN|REO
- 2nd Place: VSM|Maxter
- 3rd Place: TFA|Pig of the Hutt
- 4th Place: GGA|Dizzy
- 5th Place: KN|CrazyDominican, GGA|16-Bit
- 7th Place: OBS|MIT, OBS|DJT
*Youmacon Battle Opera (November 4th, 2012)
No tops. No greats. Sonya Blade wins.
- 1st Place: Compbros
- 2nd Place: EG|Justin Wong
- 3rd Place: CORN|Wulfgang Mellow
- 4th Place: Clise
NEC XIII (December 2nd, 2012)
Top Kabal. Top Cyrax. Great Lao. Sub-Zero in top 8! Kabal wins.
- 1st Place: OBS.EMP|REO
- 2nd Place: VSM.EMP|Maxter
- 3rd Place: DMG.MCZ|CDjr
- 4th Place: RM|SawnikFawx
- 5th Place: GGA|16Bit, EGP|Tyrant
- 7th Place: VSM|RIU48, EMP|Tom Brady
*Frosty Faustings V (December 29th, 2012)
No tops. No greats. Kenshi wins.
- 1st Place: TFA/RZR | Pig of the Hut
- 2nd Place: GGA | Dizzy
- 3rd Place: GGA | 16-Bit
- 4th Place: Pimpimjim
- 5th Place: Tom Brady, Soonk
- 7th Place: Grunty Pants, GGA | Wafflez
SoCal Reionals 2013 (January 20th, 2013)
Top Kabal. Top Cyrax...Jax vs Shang in Grand Finals?! Jax wins.
- 1st Place: EGP|Tyrant
- 2nd Place: WoundCowboy
- 3rd Place: DJT
- 4th Place: KN.CORN|Detroitballin
- 5th Place: EGP|XBlades, GGA|16 Bit
- 7th Place: C88DAB, Pig of the Hut
Winter Brawl 7 (Febraury 24th, 2013)
Top Cyrax. Top Kabal. Great Kung Lao. Kabal/Sonya wins.
- 1st Place: EMPR|Curbolicous
- 2nd Place: CrazySawnikFawx88
- 3rd Place: PTH|Khaotik88
- 4th Place: EMPR|Noobe
- 5th Place: EGP.OSB.EMPR|Tyrant, ForeverKing
- 7th Place: PTH.VSM|Rev0lver88, EMPR.DPGL|Gross
Final Round XIV (March 31st, 2013)
Top Kabal, Top Kung Lao. Top Kenshi was there too. Smoke vs Shang in Grand Finals. Smoke wins.
- 1st Place: GGA Wafflez
- 2nd Place: WoundCowboy
- 3rd Place: EMPR/KH_Scar
- 4th Place: EMPR_EGP_TYRANT
- 5th Place: EMPR-EMP-DPGL Gross, GGA Jeremiah
- 7th: Perfect Legend, Pokchop
*Texas Showdown (April 14th, 2013)
No tops. No greats. Skarlet wins.
- 1st Place: KH|Scar
- 2nd Place: KH|Showtime
- 3rd Place: AGE|NYChrisG
- 4th Place: KH|Cat
- 5th Place: KH|Lumberzach, KH|GamerBlake
- 7th Place: ShantxterX, ESP|Black
Civil War V (April 21st, 2013)
Top Kabal. Kabal wins.
- 1st Place: OBS.EMP|REO
- 2nd Place: LOD|Khaotik8
- 3rd Place: PTH|Lulzlou
- 4th Place: Blackula
- 5th Place: Witness, PTH|Astronaut
- 7th Place: Spartan00, Mr. Aquaman
NorCal Regionals (April 28th, 2013)
Great Kung Lao. Ermac/Kung Lao wins.
- 1st Place: EGP|PBoardPlayer88
- 2nd Place: MF|Slayer 909
- 3rd Place: Wound Cowboy 88
- 4th Place: Blind Ducky
Toryuken (May 5th, 2013)
Great Cyrax. Top Cyrax. Cyrax wins.
- 1st Place: BA.VSM|W1nterWarz
- 2nd Place: GGA|Han
- 3rd Place: MattOverMind
- 4th Place: GGA|PPJeezus
- 5th Place: EMP.OBS|Maxter, GGA|Soonk
- 7. DomChalant, MTL|Jer
East Coast Throwdown V (May 18th, 2013)
Top Kabal. Great Kabal. Great Lao. Kabal wins.
- 1st Place: EMP|REO
- 2nd Place: SawnikFawx (Mileena, Sonya)
- 3rd Place: AGE|NYChrisG
- 4th Place: Khaotik
- 5th Place: CDjr
UFGT 9 (May 27th, 2013)
Top Kabal. Top Kung Lao. Great Kung Lao. Johnny Cage/Kung Lao wins.
- 1st Place: GGA|Dizzy
- 2nd Place: Forever King
- 3rd Place: GGA|16Bit
- 4th Place: Crazy88|MIT
- 5th Place: GGA|Wafflez, Perfect Legend
- 7th Place: GGA|Soonk (Kabal), GGA|PimPimJim
CEO 2013 (June 30th, 2013)
Top Kabal. Top Kung Lao. Kung Lao/Kabal wins.
- 1st Place: FNATIC|Perfect Legend
- 2nd Place: VxG.EMP|Gross
- 3rd Place: GGA|Wafflez
- 4th Place: GGA|16 Bit
- 5th Place: Pig of the Hut, AK.OBS|Trepound
- 7th Place: VxG.EMP|Noobe, OBS|BigD
EVO 2013 (July 14th, 2013)
Top Kabals. Top Kung Laos. Top Cyraxes. Great Kung Laos. Great Kabals. Cyrax wins*.
- 1st Place: Crazy DJT88
- 2st Place: VxG.EMP|REO
- 3rd Place: My God 88
- 4th Place: Forever King 88
- 5th Place: Fnatic|Perfect Legend, GGA|16 Bit
- 7th Place: RDK.CORN|Detroit Balln, Wound Cowboy 88
*First and only major won by Cyrax in the U.S.
VxG 2013 (July 28th, 2013)
Top Kabals. Top Kung Lao. Great Kung Lao. Johnny Cage wins.
- 1st Place: GGA|Dizzy
- 2nd Place: GGA|16-Bit
- 3rd Place: GGA|Wafflez
- 4th Place: EMP|CD Jr
- 5th Place: AGE|NYChrisG (Reptile), Curbolicious
- 7th FNATIC|Perfect Legend, DK|Mitsurugi
Summer Jam 7 (August 18th, 2013)
Great Kung Lao. Mileena/Sonya wins.
- 1st Place: C88|SonicFox5000
- 2nd Place: Forever King
- 3rd Place: C88.PTH|Khaotik
- 4th Place: Mike Metroid
NEC 14 (December 8th, 2013)
Great Kung Lao. Kung Lao/Cyrax/Kenshi wins.
- 1st Place: Forever King
- 2nd Place: MikeMetroid
- 3rd Place: Sawnik Fawx
- 4th Place: MF Slayer
Frosty Faustings VI (December 29th, 2013)
Top Kabal. Top Kung Lao. Kabal/Kung Lao wins.
- 1st Place: FNATIC|Perfect Legend
- 2nd Place: GGA|Dizzy
- 3rd Place: Semi Evil Ryu
SoCal Regionals (March 2nd, 2014)
Top Cyrax. Great Kung Laos. Kung Lao/Ermac wins.
- 1st Place: EGP|PBoardPlayer 88
- 2nd Place: KIT|Forever King
- 3rd Place: GGA|16-Bit
- 4th Place: EGP|West Coast Jeff
- 5th Place: C88|DJT, EGP|MF Slayer
- 7th Place: EGP|Krayzie, C88|MIT
UFGT X (May 25th, 2014)
Top Kabal. Top Kung Lao. Great Kung Lao. Kung Lao/Kabal/Kenshi wins.
- 1st Place: FNATIC|Perfect Legend
- 2nd Place: GGA|Dizzy
- 3rd Place: GGA|16 Bit
- 4th Place: HB|Tyrant
- 5th Place: KiT|ForeverKing, GGA|Wafflez
- 7. FRQ.EMPR|Theo, EMPR|Noobe
That's pretty much it. And here is where everything turns interesting.
Total number of tournaments: 37
Kabal-only wins: 8 (2 of them were Canadian tournaments)
Kung Lao-only wins: 1
Cyrax-only wins: 2 (Only one in the U.S.)
I'll edit these numbers later, first I have a few questions:
How do we count a major win for a certain character? Only if the player used nobody but that character throughout the entire tournament? Or the character that won the last match of grand finals?
Compared to what other character?What's funny is if you were to take any individual player's Kabal resume in MK9 history and compiled a list of all the tournaments they went to and where they placed specifically with Kabal, you can see the character factually wasn't as dominate as the perception many claim to have him on.
Damn bro, you went ham. Didn't expect you to blow your load, GG.@TomlulsBrady @CD jr @Karried : Let me answer this for you.
@CrimsonShadow
KnowYourFacts 4.0:
CrimsonShadow Edition aka "Kabal/Cyrax/Lao** won almost all of the tournaments".
Notes:
- Note 1: Kung Lao is not even top 5. But you surely named him to have a wider range of "truth" in your statement.
- Note 2: **There you have a Bison-type option select that no matter what, will "prove you right". Since more than half of the top 10 best players (PL, REO, CDjr, Denzell, Detroit, Maxter) used Cyrax, Kabal and/or Lao at some point. So now, it's not the player (as you say when "REO can't win without Kabal" comes around) but the character. REO wins = Kabal is OP, PL wins = Lao is top 3 and so on...That would be like me saying: "name an Injustice post-patch tournament not won by MMH, Superman, Batgirl, Aquaman or Batman where Jupiter, KDZ, SonicFox, Theo and Forever King weren't there".
MK9 tournament results post-April-19th-of-2012 to date. At least one of CrimsonShadow's tops were in attendance, except when indicated.
- Note 3: Maxter (along MIT and DJT) was a counterpick master. He was, for sure, the best Cyrax. But he used Cage and Sektor as well. Sometimes even Lao and Kitana.
MLG Arena: Spring Fighter (April 28th, 2012)
Top Cyrax, top Kabals. Jax/Smoke wins.
- 1st Place: CDjr
- 2nd Place: DetroitBalln
- 3rd/4th Place: Maxter, REO
- 5th/6th Place: Curbolicous, KT Smith
- 7th/8th Place: Riu, CrazyDominican
Civil War 4 (April 29th, 2012)
Great Kabal. Kabal wins.
- 1st Place: KevoDaMan
- 2nd Place: Blackula
- 3rd Place: SwiftTomHanks
- 4th Place: FC NYChrisG
- 5th Place: Flipin Flava, Citizen Snips
- 7th Place: Impact The Masses, LulzLo
Seasons Beatings Summer Slam (May 5th, 2012)
Great Lao. Freddy wins.
- 1st Place: m2dave
- 2nd Place: GGA Dizzy
- 3rd Place: AL| MK_Legend
- 4th Place: GGA Wafflez
- 5th Place: CoCo| FOREVER KING, Master D.
- 7th Place: GGA Medina4life, GGA soonk
Toryuken (May 20th, 2012)
Top Kabal, top Cyrax* (used Sektor), great Cyrax. Kabal wins.
- 1st Place: vVv|REO
- 2nd Place: VSM||Maxter*
- 3rd Place: xSMoKEx
- 4th Place: BA|w1nter warz
- 5. TTT|NeoRussell, JL|Milky Situation
- 7. VSM|Insuperable, EG|Justin Wong
UFGT 8 (May 27th, 2012)
Great Kabal. Kabal wins.
- 1st Place: DRS.MCZ|KevoDaMan
- 2nd Place:. Pig of the Hut
- 3rd Place: GGA|Dizzy
- 4th Place: Slips (Scorpion)
- 5th Place: FR|ClinttheBeast, Ikizzle
- 7th Place: GGA|Soonk, GGA|16bit
East Coast Throwdown 4 (June 10th, 2012)
Great Kabal, Great Cyrax (WinterWarz places 9th). Mileena wins.
- 1st Place: Sawnik Fawx
- 2nd Place: DRS|MCZ Kevo Da Man
- 3rd Place: WNBA XKhaotikX
- 4th Place: TOS Nerd
- 5th Place: Eazail/ WNBA SwiftTomHanks
- 7th Place: Peckapowa/ WNBA Jer
MLG Anaheim (June 10th, 2012)
Top Kabals, Top Lao . Kabal/Shang wins.
- 1st Place: KN|DetroitBalln
- 2nd Place: DJT1993
- 3rd Place: EMP|Perfect Legend
- 4th Place: vVv|CDjr
- 5th Place: EGP|Tyrant, Pig of the Hut
- 7th Place: GGA|Dizzy, GGA|16Bit
CEO 2012 (June 17th, 2012)
Top Kabal, Top Cyrax. REO wins with Kenshi.
- 1st Place: vVv|REO
- 2nd Place: CD Jr.
- 3rd Place: ESA|Big D
- 4th Place: VSM|Maxster
- 5th Place: Noobe, DR
- 7th Place: Trepound, FGA|Bombito
EVO 2012 (July 8th, 2012)
Top Kabals (Detroit, REO), top Cyrax (Maxter) and great Cyrax (WinterWarz). Kung Lao wins.
- 1st Place: EMP|Perfect Legend
- 2nd Place: vVv|CD Jr
- 3rd Place: TFA|Pig of the Hut
- 4th Place: IGL|MIT
- 5th Place: CoCo|Forever King, EGP|XBlades
- 7th Place: EGP|Tyrant, CoCo|M2Dave
VxG 2012 (July 20th, 2012)
Top Kung Lao. Sektor wins.
- 1st Place: DPGL Gross
- 2nd Perfect Legend
- 3rd Takebusface
- 4th SOE_Phoenix
- 5th Double M, AJ
- 7th Muthundo, DPGL-Luiman
MLG Arena: Summer Fighter (August 11th, 2012)
Top Kabal. Kenshi wins.
- 1st Place: Pig of the Hut
- 2nd Place: GGA Dizzy
- 3rd/4th Place: GGA 16Bit, EGPTyrant
- 5th/6th Place: Riu48, EMP REO
- 7th/8th Place: DJT1993, KT_Smith
MLG Raleigh (August 26th, 2012)
Top Kabal. Top Cyrax. Great Cyrax (WinterWarz). Kabal wins.
- 1st Place: OBS EMP REO
- 2nd Place: DMG CD Jr
- 3rd Place: VSM Maxter
- 4th Place: Pig of the Hut
- 5th Place: KN EMP Perfect Legend, KH Showtime
- 7th Place: GGA 16 Bit, FR Clint The Beast
*Summer Jam 6 (August 26th, 2012)
No tops. No greats. Baraka in top 8. Mileena wins.
- 1st Place: RM|SawnicFawx 5000
- 2nd Place: HGTV|SwiftTomHanks
- 3rd Place: RPD|Alex Smith
- 4th Place: 7L
- 5th Place: Joker8417, TetraSpirit
- 7th Place: Bobbert, FC|NYChrisG
Season Beatings: Ascension (October 1st, 2012)
Top Kabal, Top Lao, Great Kabal, Great Cyrax. Johnny Cage wins.
- 1st Place: GGA|Dizzy
- 2nd Place: Perfect Legend
- 3rd Place: GGA|Wafflez
- 4th Place: DMG.MCZ|CDjr
- 5th Place: CoCo|M2Dave , BS.VSM|W1nter Warz
- 7th Place: Slips , GGA|Han
Toronto Series XIII (October 14th, 2012)
Top Kabal. Top Cyrax. Great Kung Lao. Great Cyrax. Kung Lao Wins.
- 1st Place: DMG.MCZ|CDjr
- 2nd Place: REO
- 3rd Place: VSM|Maxter
- 4th Place: BA.VSM|WinterWarz
- 5th Place: Death, OBS|K-Frog
- 7th Place: OBS|Jer, xSmokex
*Canada Cup 2012 (October 28th, 2012)
No tops. No greats. Simply The Best (of Canada) wins. Quan Chi takes it.
- 1st Place: STB|Shujinkydink
- 2nd Place: EG|Justin Wong
- 3rd Place: Hollywood T-Smoke
- 4th Place: Merlando
MLG Dallas (November 3rd, 2012)
Top Kabal. Top Cyrax. Top Laos. Great Lao. Great Kabal. Kabal wins.
- 1st Place: KN|REO
- 2nd Place: VSM|Maxter
- 3rd Place: TFA|Pig of the Hutt
- 4th Place: GGA|Dizzy
- 5th Place: KN|CrazyDominican, GGA|16-Bit
- 7th Place: OBS|MIT, OBS|DJT
*Youmacon Battle Opera (November 4th, 2012)
No tops. No greats. Sonya Blade wins.
- 1st Place: Compbros
- 2nd Place: EG|Justin Wong
- 3rd Place: CORN|Wulfgang Mellow
- 4th Place: Clise
NEC XIII (December 2nd, 2012)
Top Kabal. Top Cyrax. Great Lao. Sub-Zero in top 8! Kabal wins.
- 1st Place: OBS.EMP|REO
- 2nd Place: VSM.EMP|Maxter
- 3rd Place: DMG.MCZ|CDjr
- 4th Place: RM|SawnikFawx
- 5th Place: GGA|16Bit, EGP|Tyrant
- 7th Place: VSM|RIU48, EMP|Tom Brady
*Frosty Faustings V (December 29th, 2012)
No tops. No greats. Kenshi wins.
- 1st Place: TFA/RZR | Pig of the Hut
- 2nd Place: GGA | Dizzy
- 3rd Place: GGA | 16-Bit
- 4th Place: Pimpimjim
- 5th Place: Tom Brady, Soonk
- 7th Place: Grunty Pants, GGA | Wafflez
SoCal Reionals 2013 (January 20th, 2013)
Top Kabal. Top Cyrax...Jax vs Shang in Grand Finals?! Jax wins.
- 1st Place: EGP|Tyrant
- 2nd Place: WoundCowboy
- 3rd Place: DJT
- 4th Place: KN.CORN|Detroitballin
- 5th Place: EGP|XBlades, GGA|16 Bit
- 7th Place: C88DAB, Pig of the Hut
Winter Brawl 7 (Febraury 24th, 2013)
Top Cyrax. Top Kabal. Great Kung Lao. Kabal/Sonya wins.
- 1st Place: EMPR|Curbolicous
- 2nd Place: CrazySawnikFawx88
- 3rd Place: PTH|Khaotik88
- 4th Place: EMPR|Noobe
- 5th Place: EGP.OSB.EMPR|Tyrant, ForeverKing
- 7th Place: PTH.VSM|Rev0lver88, EMPR.DPGL|Gross
Final Round XIV (March 31st, 2013)
Top Kabal, Top Kung Lao. Top Kenshi was there too. Smoke vs Shang in Grand Finals. Smoke wins.
- 1st Place: GGA Wafflez
- 2nd Place: WoundCowboy
- 3rd Place: EMPR/KH_Scar
- 4th Place: EMPR_EGP_TYRANT
- 5th Place: EMPR-EMP-DPGL Gross, GGA Jeremiah
- 7th: Perfect Legend, Pokchop
*Texas Showdown (April 14th, 2013)
No tops. No greats. Skarlet wins.
- 1st Place: KH|Scar
- 2nd Place: KH|Showtime
- 3rd Place: AGE|NYChrisG
- 4th Place: KH|Cat
- 5th Place: KH|Lumberzach, KH|GamerBlake
- 7th Place: ShantxterX, ESP|Black
Civil War V (April 21st, 2013)
Top Kabal. Kabal wins.
- 1st Place: OBS.EMP|REO
- 2nd Place: LOD|Khaotik8
- 3rd Place: PTH|Lulzlou
- 4th Place: Blackula
- 5th Place: Witness, PTH|Astronaut
- 7th Place: Spartan00, Mr. Aquaman
NorCal Regionals (April 28th, 2013)
Great Kung Lao. Ermac/Kung Lao wins.
- 1st Place: EGP|PBoardPlayer88
- 2nd Place: MF|Slayer 909
- 3rd Place: Wound Cowboy 88
- 4th Place: Blind Ducky
Toryuken (May 5th, 2013)
Great Cyrax. Top Cyrax. Cyrax wins.
- 1st Place: BA.VSM|W1nterWarz
- 2nd Place: GGA|Han
- 3rd Place: MattOverMind
- 4th Place: GGA|PPJeezus
- 5th Place: EMP.OBS|Maxter, GGA|Soonk
- 7. DomChalant, MTL|Jer
East Coast Throwdown V (May 18th, 2013)
Top Kabal. Great Kabal. Great Lao. Kabal wins.
- 1st Place: EMP|REO
- 2nd Place: SawnikFawx (Mileena, Sonya)
- 3rd Place: AGE|NYChrisG
- 4th Place: Khaotik
- 5th Place: CDjr
UFGT 9 (May 27th, 2013)
Top Kabal. Top Kung Lao. Great Kung Lao. Johnny Cage/Kung Lao wins.
- 1st Place: GGA|Dizzy
- 2nd Place: Forever King
- 3rd Place: GGA|16Bit
- 4th Place: Crazy88|MIT
- 5th Place: GGA|Wafflez, Perfect Legend
- 7th Place: GGA|Soonk (Kabal), GGA|PimPimJim
CEO 2013 (June 30th, 2013)
Top Kabal. Top Kung Lao. Kung Lao/Kabal wins.
- 1st Place: FNATIC|Perfect Legend
- 2nd Place: VxG.EMP|Gross
- 3rd Place: GGA|Wafflez
- 4th Place: GGA|16 Bit
- 5th Place: Pig of the Hut, AK.OBS|Trepound
- 7th Place: VxG.EMP|Noobe, OBS|BigD
EVO 2013 (July 14th, 2013)
Top Kabals. Top Kung Laos. Top Cyraxes. Great Kung Laos. Great Kabals. Cyrax wins*.
- 1st Place: Crazy DJT88
- 2st Place: VxG.EMP|REO
- 3rd Place: My God 88
- 4th Place: Forever King 88
- 5th Place: Fnatic|Perfect Legend, GGA|16 Bit
- 7th Place: RDK.CORN|Detroit Balln, Wound Cowboy 88
*First and only major won by Cyrax in the U.S.
VxG 2013 (July 28th, 2013)
Top Kabals. Top Kung Lao. Great Kung Lao. Johnny Cage wins.
- 1st Place: GGA|Dizzy
- 2nd Place: GGA|16-Bit
- 3rd Place: GGA|Wafflez
- 4th Place: EMP|CD Jr
- 5th Place: AGE|NYChrisG (Reptile), Curbolicious
- 7th FNATIC|Perfect Legend, DK|Mitsurugi
Summer Jam 7 (August 18th, 2013)
Great Kung Lao. Mileena/Sonya wins.
- 1st Place: C88|SonicFox5000
- 2nd Place: Forever King
- 3rd Place: C88.PTH|Khaotik
- 4th Place: Mike Metroid
NEC 14 (December 8th, 2013)
Great Kung Lao. Kung Lao/Cyrax/Kenshi wins.
- 1st Place: Forever King
- 2nd Place: MikeMetroid
- 3rd Place: Sawnik Fawx
- 4th Place: MF Slayer
Frosty Faustings VI (December 29th, 2013)
Top Kabal. Top Kung Lao. Kabal/Kung Lao wins.
- 1st Place: FNATIC|Perfect Legend
- 2nd Place: GGA|Dizzy
- 3rd Place: Semi Evil Ryu
SoCal Regionals (March 2nd, 2014)
Top Cyrax. Great Kung Laos. Kung Lao/Ermac wins.
- 1st Place: EGP|PBoardPlayer 88
- 2nd Place: KIT|Forever King
- 3rd Place: GGA|16-Bit
- 4th Place: EGP|West Coast Jeff
- 5th Place: C88|DJT, EGP|MF Slayer
- 7th Place: EGP|Krayzie, C88|MIT
UFGT X (May 25th, 2014)
Top Kabal. Top Kung Lao. Great Kung Lao. Kung Lao/Kabal/Kenshi wins.
- 1st Place: FNATIC|Perfect Legend
- 2nd Place: GGA|Dizzy
- 3rd Place: GGA|16 Bit
- 4th Place: HB|Tyrant
- 5th Place: KiT|ForeverKing, GGA|Wafflez
- 7. FRQ.EMPR|Theo, EMPR|Noobe
That's pretty much it. And here is where everything turns interesting.
Total number of tournaments: 37
Kabal-only wins: 8 (2 of them were Canadian tournaments)
Kung Lao-only wins: 1
Cyrax-only wins: 2 (Only one in the U.S.)
I'll edit these numbers later, first I have a few questions:
How do we count a major win for a certain character? Only if the player used nobody but that character throughout the entire tournament? Or the character that won the last match of grand finals?
Can I like this post 10000 times?@TomlulsBrady @CD jr @Karried : Let me answer this for you.
@CrimsonShadow
KnowYourFacts 4.0:
CrimsonShadow Edition aka "Kabal/Cyrax/Lao** won almost all of the tournaments".
Notes:
- Note 1: Kung Lao is not even top 5. But you surely named him to have a wider range of "truth" in your statement.
- Note 2: **There you have a Bison-type option select that no matter what, will "prove you right". Since more than half of the top 10 best players (PL, REO, CDjr, Denzell, Detroit, Maxter) used Cyrax, Kabal and/or Lao at some point. So now, it's not the player (as you say when "REO can't win without Kabal" comes around) but the character. REO wins = Kabal is OP, PL wins = Lao is top 3 and so on...That would be like me saying: "name an Injustice post-patch tournament not won by MMH, Superman, Batgirl, Aquaman or Batman where Jupiter, KDZ, SonicFox, Theo and Forever King weren't there".
MK9 tournament results post-April-19th-of-2012 to date. At least one of CrimsonShadow's tops were in attendance, except when indicated.
- Note 3: Maxter (along MIT and DJT) was a counterpick master. He was, for sure, the best Cyrax. But he used Cage and Sektor as well. Sometimes even Lao and Kitana.
MLG Arena: Spring Fighter (April 28th, 2012)
Top Cyrax, top Kabals. Jax/Smoke wins.
- 1st Place: CDjr
- 2nd Place: DetroitBalln
- 3rd/4th Place: Maxter, REO
- 5th/6th Place: Curbolicous, KT Smith
- 7th/8th Place: Riu, CrazyDominican
Civil War 4 (April 29th, 2012)
Great Kabal. Kabal wins.
- 1st Place: KevoDaMan
- 2nd Place: Blackula
- 3rd Place: SwiftTomHanks
- 4th Place: FC NYChrisG
- 5th Place: Flipin Flava, Citizen Snips
- 7th Place: Impact The Masses, LulzLo
Seasons Beatings Summer Slam (May 5th, 2012)
Great Lao. Freddy wins.
- 1st Place: m2dave
- 2nd Place: GGA Dizzy
- 3rd Place: AL| MK_Legend
- 4th Place: GGA Wafflez
- 5th Place: CoCo| FOREVER KING, Master D.
- 7th Place: GGA Medina4life, GGA soonk
Toryuken (May 20th, 2012)
Top Kabal, top Cyrax* (used Sektor), great Cyrax. Kabal wins.
- 1st Place: vVv|REO
- 2nd Place: VSM||Maxter*
- 3rd Place: xSMoKEx
- 4th Place: BA|w1nter warz
- 5. TTT|NeoRussell, JL|Milky Situation
- 7. VSM|Insuperable, EG|Justin Wong
UFGT 8 (May 27th, 2012)
Great Kabal. Kabal wins.
- 1st Place: DRS.MCZ|KevoDaMan
- 2nd Place:. Pig of the Hut
- 3rd Place: GGA|Dizzy
- 4th Place: Slips (Scorpion)
- 5th Place: FR|ClinttheBeast, Ikizzle
- 7th Place: GGA|Soonk, GGA|16bit
East Coast Throwdown 4 (June 10th, 2012)
Great Kabal, Great Cyrax (WinterWarz places 9th). Mileena wins.
- 1st Place: Sawnik Fawx
- 2nd Place: DRS|MCZ Kevo Da Man
- 3rd Place: WNBA XKhaotikX
- 4th Place: TOS Nerd
- 5th Place: Eazail/ WNBA SwiftTomHanks
- 7th Place: Peckapowa/ WNBA Jer
MLG Anaheim (June 10th, 2012)
Top Kabals, Top Lao . Kabal/Shang wins.
- 1st Place: KN|DetroitBalln
- 2nd Place: DJT1993
- 3rd Place: EMP|Perfect Legend
- 4th Place: vVv|CDjr
- 5th Place: EGP|Tyrant, Pig of the Hut
- 7th Place: GGA|Dizzy, GGA|16Bit
CEO 2012 (June 17th, 2012)
Top Kabal, Top Cyrax. REO wins with Kenshi.
- 1st Place: vVv|REO
- 2nd Place: CD Jr.
- 3rd Place: ESA|Big D
- 4th Place: VSM|Maxster
- 5th Place: Noobe, DR
- 7th Place: Trepound, FGA|Bombito
EVO 2012 (July 8th, 2012)
Top Kabals (Detroit, REO), top Cyrax (Maxter) and great Cyrax (WinterWarz). Kung Lao wins.
- 1st Place: EMP|Perfect Legend
- 2nd Place: vVv|CD Jr
- 3rd Place: TFA|Pig of the Hut
- 4th Place: IGL|MIT
- 5th Place: CoCo|Forever King, EGP|XBlades
- 7th Place: EGP|Tyrant, CoCo|M2Dave
VxG 2012 (July 20th, 2012)
Top Kung Lao. Sektor wins.
- 1st Place: DPGL Gross
- 2nd Perfect Legend
- 3rd Takebusface
- 4th SOE_Phoenix
- 5th Double M, AJ
- 7th Muthundo, DPGL-Luiman
MLG Arena: Summer Fighter (August 11th, 2012)
Top Kabal. Kenshi wins.
- 1st Place: Pig of the Hut
- 2nd Place: GGA Dizzy
- 3rd/4th Place: GGA 16Bit, EGPTyrant
- 5th/6th Place: Riu48, EMP REO
- 7th/8th Place: DJT1993, KT_Smith
MLG Raleigh (August 26th, 2012)
Top Kabal. Top Cyrax. Great Cyrax (WinterWarz). Kabal wins.
- 1st Place: OBS EMP REO
- 2nd Place: DMG CD Jr
- 3rd Place: VSM Maxter
- 4th Place: Pig of the Hut
- 5th Place: KN EMP Perfect Legend, KH Showtime
- 7th Place: GGA 16 Bit, FR Clint The Beast
*Summer Jam 6 (August 26th, 2012)
No tops. No greats. Baraka in top 8. Mileena wins.
- 1st Place: RM|SawnicFawx 5000
- 2nd Place: HGTV|SwiftTomHanks
- 3rd Place: RPD|Alex Smith
- 4th Place: 7L
- 5th Place: Joker8417, TetraSpirit
- 7th Place: Bobbert, FC|NYChrisG
Season Beatings: Ascension (October 1st, 2012)
Top Kabal, Top Lao, Great Kabal, Great Cyrax. Johnny Cage wins.
- 1st Place: GGA|Dizzy
- 2nd Place: Perfect Legend
- 3rd Place: GGA|Wafflez
- 4th Place: DMG.MCZ|CDjr
- 5th Place: CoCo|M2Dave , BS.VSM|W1nter Warz
- 7th Place: Slips , GGA|Han
Toronto Series XIII (October 14th, 2012)
Top Kabal. Top Cyrax. Great Kung Lao. Great Cyrax. Kung Lao Wins.
- 1st Place: DMG.MCZ|CDjr
- 2nd Place: REO
- 3rd Place: VSM|Maxter
- 4th Place: BA.VSM|WinterWarz
- 5th Place: Death, OBS|K-Frog
- 7th Place: OBS|Jer, xSmokex
*Canada Cup 2012 (October 28th, 2012)
No tops. No greats. Simply The Best (of Canada) wins. Quan Chi takes it.
- 1st Place: STB|Shujinkydink
- 2nd Place: EG|Justin Wong
- 3rd Place: Hollywood T-Smoke
- 4th Place: Merlando
MLG Dallas (November 3rd, 2012)
Top Kabal. Top Cyrax. Top Laos. Great Lao. Great Kabal. Kabal wins.
- 1st Place: KN|REO
- 2nd Place: VSM|Maxter
- 3rd Place: TFA|Pig of the Hutt
- 4th Place: GGA|Dizzy
- 5th Place: KN|CrazyDominican, GGA|16-Bit
- 7th Place: OBS|MIT, OBS|DJT
*Youmacon Battle Opera (November 4th, 2012)
No tops. No greats. Sonya Blade wins.
- 1st Place: Compbros
- 2nd Place: EG|Justin Wong
- 3rd Place: CORN|Wulfgang Mellow
- 4th Place: Clise
NEC XIII (December 2nd, 2012)
Top Kabal. Top Cyrax. Great Lao. Sub-Zero in top 8! Kabal wins.
- 1st Place: OBS.EMP|REO
- 2nd Place: VSM.EMP|Maxter
- 3rd Place: DMG.MCZ|CDjr
- 4th Place: RM|SawnikFawx
- 5th Place: GGA|16Bit, EGP|Tyrant
- 7th Place: VSM|RIU48, EMP|Tom Brady
*Frosty Faustings V (December 29th, 2012)
No tops. No greats. Kenshi wins.
- 1st Place: TFA/RZR | Pig of the Hut
- 2nd Place: GGA | Dizzy
- 3rd Place: GGA | 16-Bit
- 4th Place: Pimpimjim
- 5th Place: Tom Brady, Soonk
- 7th Place: Grunty Pants, GGA | Wafflez
SoCal Reionals 2013 (January 20th, 2013)
Top Kabal. Top Cyrax...Jax vs Shang in Grand Finals?! Jax wins.
- 1st Place: EGP|Tyrant
- 2nd Place: WoundCowboy
- 3rd Place: DJT
- 4th Place: KN.CORN|Detroitballin
- 5th Place: EGP|XBlades, GGA|16 Bit
- 7th Place: C88DAB, Pig of the Hut
Winter Brawl 7 (Febraury 24th, 2013)
Top Cyrax. Top Kabal. Great Kung Lao. Kabal/Sonya wins.
- 1st Place: EMPR|Curbolicous
- 2nd Place: CrazySawnikFawx88
- 3rd Place: PTH|Khaotik88
- 4th Place: EMPR|Noobe
- 5th Place: EGP.OSB.EMPR|Tyrant, ForeverKing
- 7th Place: PTH.VSM|Rev0lver88, EMPR.DPGL|Gross
Final Round XIV (March 31st, 2013)
Top Kabal, Top Kung Lao. Top Kenshi was there too. Smoke vs Shang in Grand Finals. Smoke wins.
- 1st Place: GGA Wafflez
- 2nd Place: WoundCowboy
- 3rd Place: EMPR/KH_Scar
- 4th Place: EMPR_EGP_TYRANT
- 5th Place: EMPR-EMP-DPGL Gross, GGA Jeremiah
- 7th: Perfect Legend, Pokchop
*Texas Showdown (April 14th, 2013)
No tops. No greats. Skarlet wins.
- 1st Place: KH|Scar
- 2nd Place: KH|Showtime
- 3rd Place: AGE|NYChrisG
- 4th Place: KH|Cat
- 5th Place: KH|Lumberzach, KH|GamerBlake
- 7th Place: ShantxterX, ESP|Black
Civil War V (April 21st, 2013)
Top Kabal. Kabal wins.
- 1st Place: OBS.EMP|REO
- 2nd Place: LOD|Khaotik8
- 3rd Place: PTH|Lulzlou
- 4th Place: Blackula
- 5th Place: Witness, PTH|Astronaut
- 7th Place: Spartan00, Mr. Aquaman
NorCal Regionals (April 28th, 2013)
Great Kung Lao. Ermac/Kung Lao wins.
- 1st Place: EGP|PBoardPlayer88
- 2nd Place: MF|Slayer 909
- 3rd Place: Wound Cowboy 88
- 4th Place: Blind Ducky
Toryuken (May 5th, 2013)
Great Cyrax. Top Cyrax. Cyrax wins.
- 1st Place: BA.VSM|W1nterWarz
- 2nd Place: GGA|Han
- 3rd Place: MattOverMind
- 4th Place: GGA|PPJeezus
- 5th Place: EMP.OBS|Maxter, GGA|Soonk
- 7. DomChalant, MTL|Jer
East Coast Throwdown V (May 18th, 2013)
Top Kabal. Great Kabal. Great Lao. Kabal wins.
- 1st Place: EMP|REO
- 2nd Place: SawnikFawx (Mileena, Sonya)
- 3rd Place: AGE|NYChrisG
- 4th Place: Khaotik
- 5th Place: CDjr
UFGT 9 (May 27th, 2013)
Top Kabal. Top Kung Lao. Great Kung Lao. Johnny Cage/Kung Lao wins.
- 1st Place: GGA|Dizzy
- 2nd Place: Forever King
- 3rd Place: GGA|16Bit
- 4th Place: Crazy88|MIT
- 5th Place: GGA|Wafflez, Perfect Legend
- 7th Place: GGA|Soonk (Kabal), GGA|PimPimJim
CEO 2013 (June 30th, 2013)
Top Kabal. Top Kung Lao. Kung Lao/Kabal wins.
- 1st Place: FNATIC|Perfect Legend
- 2nd Place: VxG.EMP|Gross
- 3rd Place: GGA|Wafflez
- 4th Place: GGA|16 Bit
- 5th Place: Pig of the Hut, AK.OBS|Trepound
- 7th Place: VxG.EMP|Noobe, OBS|BigD
EVO 2013 (July 14th, 2013)
Top Kabals. Top Kung Laos. Top Cyraxes. Great Kung Laos. Great Kabals. Cyrax wins*.
- 1st Place: Crazy DJT88
- 2st Place: VxG.EMP|REO
- 3rd Place: My God 88
- 4th Place: Forever King 88
- 5th Place: Fnatic|Perfect Legend, GGA|16 Bit
- 7th Place: RDK.CORN|Detroit Balln, Wound Cowboy 88
*First and only major won by Cyrax in the U.S.
VxG 2013 (July 28th, 2013)
Top Kabals. Top Kung Lao. Great Kung Lao. Johnny Cage wins.
- 1st Place: GGA|Dizzy
- 2nd Place: GGA|16-Bit
- 3rd Place: GGA|Wafflez
- 4th Place: EMP|CD Jr
- 5th Place: AGE|NYChrisG (Reptile), Curbolicious
- 7th FNATIC|Perfect Legend, DK|Mitsurugi
Summer Jam 7 (August 18th, 2013)
Great Kung Lao. Mileena/Sonya wins.
- 1st Place: C88|SonicFox5000
- 2nd Place: Forever King
- 3rd Place: C88.PTH|Khaotik
- 4th Place: Mike Metroid
NEC 14 (December 8th, 2013)
Great Kung Lao. Kung Lao/Cyrax/Kenshi wins.
- 1st Place: Forever King
- 2nd Place: MikeMetroid
- 3rd Place: Sawnik Fawx
- 4th Place: MF Slayer
Frosty Faustings VI (December 29th, 2013)
Top Kabal. Top Kung Lao. Kabal/Kung Lao wins.
- 1st Place: FNATIC|Perfect Legend
- 2nd Place: GGA|Dizzy
- 3rd Place: Semi Evil Ryu
SoCal Regionals (March 2nd, 2014)
Top Cyrax. Great Kung Laos. Kung Lao/Ermac wins.
- 1st Place: EGP|PBoardPlayer 88
- 2nd Place: KIT|Forever King
- 3rd Place: GGA|16-Bit
- 4th Place: EGP|West Coast Jeff
- 5th Place: C88|DJT, EGP|MF Slayer
- 7th Place: EGP|Krayzie, C88|MIT
UFGT X (May 25th, 2014)
Top Kabal. Top Kung Lao. Great Kung Lao. Kung Lao/Kabal/Kenshi wins.
- 1st Place: FNATIC|Perfect Legend
- 2nd Place: GGA|Dizzy
- 3rd Place: GGA|16 Bit
- 4th Place: HB|Tyrant
- 5th Place: KiT|ForeverKing, GGA|Wafflez
- 7. FRQ.EMPR|Theo, EMPR|Noobe
That's pretty much it. And here is where everything turns interesting.
Total number of tournaments: 37
Kabal-only wins: 8 (2 of them were Canadian tournaments)
Kung Lao-only wins: 1
Cyrax-only wins: 2 (Only one in the U.S.)
I'll edit these numbers later, first I have a few questions:
How do we count a major win for a certain character? Only if the player used nobody but that character throughout the entire tournament? Or the character that won the last match of grand finals?
what is your obsession with saying inj is more balanced than mk9 dude? It really isn't like at all please stopTop Cyraxes, Kabals and Laos:
REO
Detroit
Perfect Legend
Denzell
Great Kabals, Cyraxes and Laos that also won tournaments in the 'modern' era:
Kevo Da Man
Curbolicous
CD Jr.
Winter Warz
Forever King
P Board
People that consistently kept people who don't play those 3 characters from winning or making GF:
Pig of the Hut
Maxter
When these people were more or less present in force (once the game 'settled' after year one), Kabal/Cyrax/Lao won almost all of the tournaments.
At the highest level, they kept characters like Kitana, Jax, Cage, Sonya etc. from winning tourneys. When most of the top-level players of these characters showed up, they kept almost the entire rest of the cast under wraps in Top 8.
When a lot of these guys didn't travel (Final Round 2013, SB:A to some extent, SCR 2013 to some extent, ECT 2013, etc) then someone like Dizzy could pass through say, PL as his hardest opponent in Grand Finals and win. Or someone like, Sonic Fox or Wafflez. But when most of the top guys were there, they didn't win.
So when you think about it, although there were amazing and highly skilled players of various other characters (like Pig, 16 Bit, Tyrant, Dizzy, xSmokex, Riu48, WoundCowboy), someone outside of the 'Big 3' chars winning a tournament from Anaheim forward had more to do with who was there than game balance.
It's the same as saying, if Jupiter, Theo and Sonic Fox don't attend a tournament, a character other than the Injustice Big 3 stands a good chance of winning.
Kinda irrelevant but Maxter had a strong Raiden too, He used him to make top 8 at season beatings winter of 2011.
- Note 3: Maxter (along MIT and DJT) was a counterpick master. He was, for sure, the best Cyrax. But he used Cage and Sektor as well. Sometimes even Lao and Kitana.
Damn I use aquaman lmao, I guess I dnt get ur respect lol but on some real stuff, theo is smart going from nerfed supes to aquaman and more and more are using aquaman bcuz they have seen that A he isnt hard to learn and B he is great for counter picking.Top tiers characters will always exist im more than ok with that but when you make them easy to play like Aquaman or batgirl that's when I have a problem cause it hides the players weakness ass seen with some players Imo Jupiter is the best inj player hands down cause MMH takes alot of work to use people that have tried to counter pick with MMH like PL and otherS have gotten bodied Jupiter is THE only MMH and by the way he plays you can obviously tell he is putting in the work yeah he is cheap but he is the only player doing it Aquaman on the other hand you got rico counter pickin again't Darth arma, deg reseting brackets with AM, and other players getting far because of AM that's why I don't give a fuck what no one tells me I don't respect any AM players never will I don't care what player site behind that character AM is a mistake of a character and probably the worst design move of any fighting game in history which is his trait. People think that I hate on theo and give me the he is the only one doing shit with AM but he really isn't lol I can name 20 players that if they took the game serious will be way better AM players than theo cause they character is just that easy to use
Kung Lao was in the Top 3 characters in terms of winning MK9 tournaments. Whoever the makers of imaginary tier lists hold as the top 3 doesn't matter, because that's not what the discussion is about.
- Note 1: Kung Lao is not even top 5. But you surely named him to have a wider range of "truth" in your statement.
Not at all. All of the players mentioned are highly skilled; but someone like Dizzy (who you didn't mention) is arguably as good of a player as anyone to play MK9. To say that Dizzy wasn't able to win as many tournaments with everyone else present because he wasn't on their skill level is 1) flat out wrong, but 2) shows that whoever was watching couldn't see the clear hurdle that trying to win as Cage with a Top 8 full of Kabal, Kenshi etc. was near impossible.
- Note 2: **There you have a Bison-type option select that no matter what, will "prove you right". Since more than half of the top 10 best players (PL, REO, CDjr, Denzell, Detroit, Maxter) used Cyrax, Kabal and/or Lao at some point. So now, it's not the player (as you say when "REO can't win without Kabal" comes around) but the character. REO wins = Kabal is OP, PL wins = Lao is top 3 and so on...That would be like me saying: "name an Injustice post-patch tournament not won by MMH, Superman, Batgirl, Aquaman or Batman where Jupiter, KDZ, SonicFox, Theo and Forever King weren't there".
To be accurate, if you're going by people who put in work:@CrimsonShadow is igau different from mk9 by top players putting in work and I will make the list again:
Mk9: PL (lao), Reo( kabal) Maxter (cyrax) etc.
Igau: Theo (AM), sonicfox (BG) jupiter (mmh) etc.
Nothin has changed at all really.
to be fair you have would have compare to two games up to the same date in time. So what happened in MK before evo 2012 for example.To be accurate, if you're going by people who put in work:
Lao: PL, Jr. (I'll exclude PBoard for now since SCR 2014 is later in the game. Also King for similar)
Cyrax: Denzell, Maxter (I'll exclude WWarz since his Toryuken win was later on)
Kabal: REO, Kevo, Curbo, and Jr. at EVO 2012
Injustice:
Batgirl: Only Sonic Fox has made it to grand finals with Batgirl
MMH: Only Jupiter has made it to grand finals with MMH
Aquaman: Tom won ECT early on; since May 2013 only Theo has reached grand finals with AM
No other Batgirl, MMH, or Aquaman has even won a yearly regional.
To be accurate, if you're going by people who "put in work":
Lao: PL, Jr. (I'll exclude PBoard for now since SCR 2014 is later in the game)
Cyrax: Denzell, Maxter (I'll exclude WWarz since his Toryuken win was later on)
Kabal: REO, Kevo, Curbo, and Jr. at EVO 2012
Injustice:
Batgirl: Only Sonic Fox has made it to grand finals with Batgirl
MMH: Only Jupiter has made it to grand finals with MMH
Aquaman: Tom won ECT early on; since May 2013 only Theo has reached grand finals with AM
No other Batgirl, MMH, or Aquaman has even won a yearly regional.
Kung Lao was in the Top 3 characters in terms of winning MK9 tournaments. Whoever the makers of imaginary tier lists hold as the top 3 doesn't matter, because that's not what the discussion is about.
Again, we're talking about tournament results -- not subjective tier.
Not at all. All of the players mentioned are highly skilled; but someone like Dizzy (who you didn't mention) is arguably as good of a player as anyone to play MK9. To say that Dizzy wasn't able to win as many tournaments with everyone else present because he wasn't on their skill level is 1) flat out wrong, but 2) shows that whoever was watching couldn't see the clear hurdle that trying to win as Cage with a Top 8 full of Kabal, Kenshi etc. was near impossible.
If you want to make a convincing argument, you have to look at the gameplay -- because it clearly shows the reasons for the results.
So again, the point is this: despite the fact that there were a lot of talented players, when everyone showed up it was an enormous uphill battle for most characters other than Kabal, Cyrax and Lao to actually win the tournament if most of the best players were present. That's evidenced by the results.
@Art Killer B -- Also, twisting the facts to downplay characters doesn't help your argument. For example, saying REO won CEO with Kenshi when he didn't use him the entire tournament and switched in Grand Finals for fun doesn't make any sense. That's not a tournament victory for a Kenshi main.
Everyone has been comparing the bigger portion of MK9's lifetime -- so to be fair, they'd have to edit their results as well.to be fair you have would have compare to two games up to the same date in time. So what happened in MK before evo 2012 for example.
Im sorry this thread turned into....this.Mk 9 starts at 6pm Saturday on pigs stream.
You would basically have to compare after the last MK9 patch to EVO 2012 with Injustice's last patch to this EVO.to be fair you have would have compare to two games up to the same date in time. So what happened in MK before evo 2012 for example.
Well the top tiers of mk didnt change really, igau has and if u count supes and adam when they were top tier many tournaments were won by someone using them. No matter how u put it, u cant justify igau being more balanced than mk9, the discussion wont end.To be accurate, if you're going by people who put in work:
Lao: PL, Jr. (I'll exclude PBoard for now since SCR 2014 is later in the game. Also King for similar)
Cyrax: Denzell, Maxter (I'll exclude WWarz since his Toryuken win was later on)
Kabal: REO, Kevo, Curbo, and Jr. at EVO 2012
Injustice:
Batgirl: Only Sonic Fox has made it to grand finals with Batgirl
MMH: Only Jupiter has made it to grand finals with MMH
Aquaman: Tom won ECT early on; since May 2013 only Theo has reached grand finals with AM
No other Batgirl, MMH, or Aquaman has even won a yearly regional.