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its been 17 months. lets solidify a top 5

ForeverKing

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Sinestro has more bad MUs than Batman...
Probably not. I wouldn't say Sinestro has 5 or more losing matchups. And even if he does lose more matchups than Batman, he definitely has more winning matchups than Batman and he has way more 7-3 and 8-2. Batman doesn't have a single 7-3 or higher
 

TKB

Noob
Or does it? One of those very bad MU's is a character that isn't exactly difficult to learn and just about anybody with top 8 placing fundamentals can give the Sinestro player a very very hard time.
Honestly from my experience playing sinestro, his only horrifically bad matchup is aquaman. Doomsday isn't unbeatable and neither is MMH. They're still 4-6 but not as bad as they're made out to be. I'm by no means a top Sinestro but that's my opinion.
 
I feel like it has to be Superman, simply because the only characters who really "counter" him are the other top tiers. Also, the current opinion from most players seems to suggest that none of them are any worse than 6-4...which might arguably make him better than Zod who has a 7-3 matchup in martian manhunter.
 
Who is the other top tier that demolishes him? I don't even think Cowboy has MMH as 3-7 anymore.

Sinestro gets bodied by Aqua but does well against Zod. LBSH asking for more than that is top 3 worthy.
I'm not up to date regarding the MMH-Sin MU but it was that one. I'm also surprised to hear Zod doing well in the Sin MU I thought that was bad for Zod.
 

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Who is the other top tier that demolishes him? I don't even think Cowboy has MMH as 3-7 anymore.

Sinestro gets bodied by Aqua but does well against Zod. LBSH asking for more than that is top 3 worthy.
Mmh is a possible 7-3. He also loses to batman and doomsday
 

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Whoever the 5th character is will likely have a 3-7 or multiple losing matches. That is why it's ridiculous that everyone says "it's not MY character...". If there was a character who had the MU charts of MMH or Aqua then they'd obviously be top 5 and we wouldn't be talking about it.
 
Honestly from my experience playing sinestro, his only horrifically bad matchup is aquaman. Doomsday isn't unbeatable and neither is MMH. They're still 4-6 but not as bad as they're made out to be. I'm by no means a top Sinestro but that's my opinion.
This was another point I was going to bring up. Although Doomsday is not a top 5 and possibly not even top 10 but right outside of it I would argue that having that particular MU as a 4-6 disadvantage is not a good thing. The Doomsday effect is very real and to this day people struggle fighting that character save only a select few players. Having the MU as 4-6 just adds insult to injury in this MU and is another factor to consider when looking for a top 5 worthy character. For this reason combined with his other 4-6's and especially his 3-7 is why I would fit Sin as a top 10 character but not quite top 5.
 
Whoever the 5th character is will likely have a 3-7 or multiple losing matches. That is why it's ridiculous that everyone says "it's not MY character...". If there was a character who had the MU charts of MMH or Aqua then they'd obviously be top 5 and we wouldn't be talking about it.
That's why it's so hard to find the 5th. There are multiple contenders and IMO the way to go about finding this 5th slot bastard is to analyze the loosing MU's and see which set of loosing MU's is best to have.
 

TKB

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This was another point I was going to bring up. Although Doomsday is not a top 5 and possibly not even top 10 but right outside of it I would argue that having that particular MU as a 4-6 disadvantage is not a good thing. The Doomsday effect is very real and to this day people struggle fighting that character save only a select few players. Having the MU as 4-6 just adds insult to injury in this MU and is another factor to consider when looking for a top 5 worthy character. For this reason combined with his other 4-6's and especially his 3-7 is why I would fit Sin as a top 10 character but not quite top 5.
That's fair :) I'm just saying the argument could be made that he's top 5, like several other characters. I main Deathstroke btw and secondary Sin.
 

Wetdoba

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Its Flash. Bane has some retard stuff but I dont see how it cant be Flash. Dude has endless tech, retarded damage and corner carry with trait, some of the scariest corner game, and I cant see him having a losing match up.
 
That's fair :) I'm just saying the argument could be made that he's top 5, like several other characters. I main Deathstroke btw and secondary Sin.
Take Batman and Sin for instance. Both have Aquaman as 3-7 and MMH as 4-6. I think. Batman can deal with Doomsday better than Sinestro can. Given this list of bad MU's is it better to deal with these loosing MU's better (Batman) or to have more winning MU's outside of this list (Sinestro)? Such is the case when looking at Batman and Sin's MU chart.

For me I would prefer Batman's chart over Sin's given the fact that they have similar bad MU's.
 

ForeverKing

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Mmh is a possible 7-3. He also loses to batman and doomsday
Take Batman and Sin for instance. Both have Aquaman as 3-7 and MMH as 4-6. I think. Batman can deal with Doomsday better than Sinestro can. Given this list of bad MU's is it better to deal with these loosing MU's better (Batman) or to have more winning MU's outside of this list (Sinestro)? Such is the case when looking at Batman and Sin's MU chart.

For me I would prefer Batman's chart over Sin's given the fact that they have similar bad MU's.
So basically what you're saying is Batman and Sinestro have the same amount of losing matchups; 4

But then Sinestro has way more winning matchups and has a few 7-3's and 8-2's sprinkled here and there. So how could Batman possibly be any higher when he only has 6-4's and only like seven or eight of them
 
So basically what you're saying is Batman and Sinestro have the same amount of losing matchups; 4

But then Sinestro has way more winning matchups and has a few 7-3's and 8-2's sprinkled here and there. So how could Batman possibly be any higher when he only has 6-4's and only like seven or eight of them
Check my post right above this. How would you answer it?
 

TKB

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Take Batman and Sin for instance. Both have Aquaman as 3-7 and MMH as 4-6. I think. Batman can deal with Doomsday better than Sinestro can. Given this list of bad MU's is it better to deal with these loosing MU's better or to have more winning MU's outside of this list? Such is the case when looking at Batman and Sin's MU chart.

For me I would prefer Batman's chart over Sin's given the fact that they have similar bad MU's.
Actually most sinestro players agree that he beats Zod if I'm not mistaken. He only loses 3-7 to Aquaman.(IMO)
 

TKB

Noob
So how would you answer my question in the post below it? Post #42
Taking what you said into consideration, Sinestro overall has a much MUCH easier time than batman. So I would take his matchup chart. They both lose to the same characters(mostly) but sinestro has multiple 7-3s in his favor. Forever King keeps stating batman has no 7-3s in his favor.

Edit: I see your point though. That maybe batman handles his bad matchups more effectively. I would still take Sinestro's matchup chart.