TYM's Hot Topic of the Week: Do we ban Scorpion from tournament play?

[Death]

I think scorpion should stay. Hes awesome lol

 

[RexyWrecks]

MK does things much worse than that LOL. There are rules in the game and stages are banned just to keep him beatable by a select few non MK top tier characters. Scorpion is not comparable at all ATM.

This can be argued as well. The teleport almost nullifies all interactables. It wouldn't surprise me if certain stages were banned because of him.

 

[Big Pampering]

a huge part of the problem would be fixed if they gave everybody a good anti air not too good but something similar to a rain standing 1 jab which isnt great but does the job, which everyone would rather have I believe. also give scorpions teleport a different animation kind of like a super so people can block it on reaction without actually nerfing the speed of the teleport.

 

[AYSAMO]

Doesn't really matter if Scorpion is even the best character in the game, imo he isn't. The problem is he forces you to hold down for an entire match. And he's doing this without using any projectiles or a strategy; that just happens to be the only way you can block his teleport.

How can anyone say a character who FORCES you to hold fucking down for 99 seconds, is fair? Level up? Please, enlighten the community on your sick pro strats. Oh wait, there are none because all the people telling me to level up just pick scorpion against scorpion.

I'm not sure if he's worth banning, because even with how fucking stupid this character is, I tdon't want to make TYM think it's ok to ban anything.

 

[RexyWrecks]

a huge part of the problem would be fixed if they gave everybody a good anti air not too good but something similar to a rain standing 1 jab which isnt great but does the job, which everyone would rather have I believe. also give scorpions teleport a different animation kind of like a super so people can block it on reaction without actually nerfing the speed of the teleport.

I agree with the anti air buffs. They suck in this game...for the most part.

 

[Treadmill]

Level the fuck up scrubs!

You combined the one phrase and one word I hate most about the fgc.

 

[1truking]

a huge part of the problem would be fixed if they gave everybody a good anti air not too good but something similar to a rain standing 1 jab which isnt great but does the job, which everyone would rather have I believe. also give scorpions teleport a different animation kind of like a super so people can block it on reaction without actually nerfing the speed of the teleport.

Meh. You actually can block the teleport on reaction now with the animation. Its something like 23 frame start up and there is an audio signal for it too. Now 23 frames is faster than some people can react to but top players should all have around a 20 frame or better reaction. Hellfire is 26ish frames very reactable even online just takes some practice.

At this point I think its too early to ban scorpion. The only reasoning seems to be creating more variety and honestly banning one character won't really do that. People will focus on other characters and you'll still end up seeing top 8's mostly black adam's eventually killer frosts and maybe some aquamans with a few characters thrown in every so often.

I honestly think there are more counters to scorpion than people are realizing. I discussed it a bit with Pig. But then again I main a character that gives scorpion trouble.

 

[ShadowBeatz]

I love how people are saying "Don't ban Scorpion because you didn't ban Kabal!" Kabal was far from braindead, and no one on the planet could pick him up and win, let alone abuse his broken shit, within the first 10 minutes of playing him.

Your argument should be "Don't ban Scorpion because you didn't ban Cyrax!"

 

[Breaker]

I thought I was enjoying Scorpion and than I had to be honest with myself. Scorpion is too damn easy to use even at highest level possible. Either he should receive a massive nerf or ban this character from tournament play. Deathstroke received 13 nerfs...

 

[Big Pampering]

Meh. You actually can block the teleport on reaction now with the animation. Its something like 23 frame start up and there is an audio signal for it too. Now 23 frames is faster than some people can react to but top players should all have around a 20 frame or better reaction. Hellfire is 26ish frames very reactable even online just takes some practice.

At this point I think its too early to ban scorpion. The only reasoning seems to be creating more variety and honestly banning one character won't really do that. People will focus on other characters and you'll still end up seeing top 8's mostly black adam's eventually killer frosts and maybe some aquamans with a few characters thrown in every so often.

I honestly think there are more counters to scorpion than people are realizing. I discussed it a bit with Pig. But then again I main a character that gives scorpion trouble.

but now you can block it on reaction with the directional button, not sitting there with down block so he can do the rest of his bs on you

 

[STRYKIE]

I love how people are saying "Don't ban Scorpion because you didn't ban Kabal!" Kabal was far from braindead, and no one on the planet could pick him up and win, let alone abuse his broken shit, within the first 10 minutes of playing him.

Your argument should be "Don't ban Scorpion because you didn't ban Cyrax!"

So you're saying that if Capcom were to re-balance 3rd Strike, Ken should be nerfed/banned because scrubs like using poster boys but Yun should stay as he is because he's harder to use? Seriously, think how far your typical YOLO online Ken player would go if 3S was still at EVO.

I do agree that Scorpion and Kabal shouldn't be compared though because they raise community concerns for very different reasons.

 

[ShadowBeatz]

STRYKIE I'm not saying anything man. I'm here to make jokes, whether it be on the forum or how bad I am at this game

 

[M2Dave]

GGA Dizzy, you said pre-patch Deathstroke was broken but Scorpion is not.

I have two questions.

1. Why are you biased?
2. Why do you hate zoning?

 

[1truking]

but now you can block it on reaction with the directional button, not sitting there with down block so he can do the rest of his bs on you

Thats the thing. b1 and b2 have very different animations you can default to a low block in range and react to the overhead. Again takes practice. Not something I'm 100% with yet. Hellfire you can easily learn to react to and he's potentially punishable for this. Some characters can stuff his b1 b2 mixup that leaves his jump 3 which is why it would be nice to have better anti airs in the game.

The meter burn teleport is the only real issue and it does take meter. He usually will have some meter for it but if he lands a hit he'll have to cut some damage short.

Honestly I think this just comes from the community mindset in general. My experience over the years with the MK community has shown that most would prefer to nerf rather than adapt. Scorpion does change how you have to play the game but is that a bad thing? Is he unbeatable? Is he even as bad as frost? Phoenix changed the game in marvel and it wasn't a bad thing. It caused people to create all kinds of tech that became useful in general not just phoenix. The follow my lead set ups are a direct result of phoenix forcing people to change how they played the game.

Way too early to be nerfing/buffing/banning.

 

[dribirut]

I've already said in my threads my opinion on Scorp and don't feel like typing it out again.

The short of it is Scorp is not the most broken aspect of the game. If you want to get ban happy, there's plenty of things that are tournament proven to ban first.

one reasonable voice in this whole thread

 

[atljonesbro1]

GGA Dizzy, you said pre-patch Deathstroke was broken but Scorpion is not.

I have two questions.

1. Why are you biased?
2. Why do you hate zoning?

This got me thinking, if there was a zoning character broken to the point of Scorpion I can guarantee you the ENTIRE community would be up in arms. It truly is bias.

 

[feedyourcatbro]

Scorpion is ST Akuma. He just fundamentally doesn't belong in the game at tournament level. The parallels are so obvious that I'm surprised people haven't seen them yet.

 

[dribirut]

The Kabal argument is one that supports the banning of Scorpion if anything, imagine the character diversity of MK9 if Kabal, Kenshi and Kung Lao were all banned. Then LOOK at what the character diversity in MK9 was when we as a community left the tournament rules on characters untouched

what are you talking about.. toward the end of the game wehad verryy diverse top eights..
tyrant's jax
bits kitana
wounds shang
djts cyrax
sonics mileena/sonya
gross's sektor
mits scorpion/liu kang/reptile
xblades liu kang

there were very few kenshis eeeevvre in top 8.. this myth needs be exposed

 

[Eh SnOwY]

Scorp's good but i think we should wait more

 

[redeyes]

what are you talking about.. toward the end of the game wehad verryy diverse top eights..
tyrant's jax
bits kitana
wounds shang
djts cyrax
sonics mileena/sonya
gross's sektor
mits scorpion/liu kang/reptile
xblades liu kang

there were very few kenshis eeeevvre in top 8.. this myth needs be exposed

along with 3 kabals for every 1 different character in a top 8. or someone had a pocket kabal.

 

[M2Dave]

This got me thinking, if there was a zoning character broken to the point of Scorpion I can guarantee you the ENTIRE community would be up in arms. It truly is bias.

Of course, they would.

The entire community cried about pre-patch Deathstroke who was not even a broken character.

Zoning is definitely frowned upon in this community because players like GGA Dizzy are promoting an anti-zoning agenda.

 

[Treadmill]

Of course, they would.

The entire community cried about pre-patch Deathstroke who was not even a broken character.

Zoning is definitely frowned upon in this community because players like GGA Dizzy are promoting an anti-zoning agenda.

People like fun. Getting zoned out is not fun. Especially at the pre patch deathstroke level. Broken or not, the majority has been crystal clear, zoning that good ruins the game for them. So I agree that they are biased but this game isn't their job, they play it for fun. Maybe you should try another game since you can't shut the Hell up about it.

 

[Dizzy]

GGA Dizzy, you said pre-patch Deathstroke was broken but Scorpion is not.

I have two questions.

1. Why are you biased?
2. Why do you hate zoning?

Deathstroke pre-nerf was better than Scorp is now. However, I never attempted to get him banned because of it.

 

[feedyourcatbro]

People like fun. Getting zoned out is not fun.

Blocking J1 and J3s for days isn't fun.

 

[atljonesbro1]

People like fun. Getting zoned out is not fun. Especially at the pre patch deathstroke level. Broken or not, the majority has been crystal clear, zoning that good ruins the game for them. So I agree that they are biased but this game isn't their job, they play it for fun. Maybe you should try another game since you can't shut the Hell up about it.

What about the people who enjoy zoning? Rush down characters aren't enjoyable for me. People need to stop being biased towards zoning just because it's a different playstyle.