So...MK9 or MKX?

[NHDR]

MKX. I just wish it was a bit more user friendly with inputs. But both games are fantastic.

 

[Sultani]

I agree with the whole post... one tiny sentence though...

Jason, the way he is made, not only fits the game, it makes it look better

You want cyrax & sektor, but you don't like Predator? He is their father you know (and subzero's spine rip fatality idea). It was about time to be included in the series.

Respect the inspiration

Predator and jason arent mk characters. The ones i listed are. I like having mk characters in mk games.

 

[Hidan]

Predator and jason arent mk characters. The ones i listed are. I like having mk characters in mk games.

Some MK characters you like were made from something else. That something is coming.

Either way it's Predator or none (of those you mentioned)

Serial killers have become more natural to the franchise than the chars already in. Goddamn some of them shouldn't even have fatalities

 

[Rude]

So some blonde mouthy little bitch with annoying quotes is more interesting than a bad ass shadow ninja? Hand in your man card please.

What is bad ass about a shadow ninja? More like boring.

"Fear Me" is his pre fight dialogue in MK9. Which means that Noob is, in fact, so shitty that they couldn't even give him something interesting to say.

Meanwhile, Cassie is super clever and fun. She's a strong, independent woman which, based in your man card statement, is a concept you clearly feel threatened by.

 

[Rude]

Wha

Cause there is no read to make, it's a fucking guess. What don't you get? What has everyone been complaining about since like week 3?

What do you think a read is?

It's an educated GUESS.

Besides, you still have mb corner escape, tech rolls, armored wake up, delayed long and short wake up.

And again, why aren't you playing better footsies?

 

[Northern Slasher]

Wha


What do you think a read is?

It's an educated GUESS.

Besides, you still have mb corner escape, tech rolls, armored wake up, delayed long and short wake up.

And again, why aren't you playing better footsies?

When Digit 50/50'd the fuck out of Fox in the corner... I guess Fox should've had better footsies. You're right.

 

[Northern Slasher]

What is bad ass about a shadow ninja? More like boring.

"Fear Me" is his pre fight dialogue in MK9. Which means that Noob is, in fact, so shitty that they couldn't even give him something interesting to say.

Meanwhile, Cassie is super clever and fun. She's a strong, independent woman which, based in your man card statement, is a concept you clearly feel threatened by.

You base characters off of pre fight dialogue? And because Cassie has some terrible one liners she's more interesting... She's about as basic looking as it gets. But we can agree to disagree.

 

[Rude]

You base characters off of pre fight dialogue? And because Cassie has some terrible one liners she's more interesting... She's about as basic looking as it gets. But we can agree to disagree.

I was using that as an example.

In MK9, Noob Saibot was little more than a lackey to Quan Chi. He served Quan. That's his deal.

In MK X, Cassie saved the world. I know more about Cassie in this game than i ever knew about boring Shadow ninja guy.

 

[Rude]

When Digit 50/50'd the fuck out of Fox in the corner... I guess Fox should've had better footsies. You're right.

Fox should have played better, yeah.

Even top players make mistakes. Doesn't change the fact that he had options to avoid being cornered. I would argue that in that situation, Digit made the better reads.

 

[Justice]

For me, the only thing that MK9 has over MKX is the story. Shao Khan was a badass. Almost everyone in the MKU had something to do and villains made you want to whup their ass. It had a proper build, climax and denouement. MKX wasn't bad per se, but did not build properly, did not adequately transition from "old school" to "new guard", and the villains (especially Shinnok) just felt lackluster and not at all scary.

 

[Mint]

I like the way mkx plays more but voted mk9 because of roster

 

[Hidan]

Fox should have played better, yeah.

Even top players make mistakes. Doesn't change the fact that he had options to avoid being cornered. I would argue that in that situation, Digit made the better reads.

The game pushes to the corner with almost every knock down or pressure tool. Someone will get cornered eventually. It's made that way, you can't blame sonic fox. And then... fitty fitty

In MK X, Cassie saved the world. I know more about Cassie in this game than i ever knew about boring Shadow ninja guy.

That's bullshit and you know it. I like Cassie very much, her lines are smarter than JC, her skins are hot and even her haircuts rock (actually she has too many cool elements and it's not the thread to mention them). Still story mode shows that NRS were either lazy or didn't have time for it

 

[Rude]

The game pushes to the corner with almost every knock down or pressure tool. Someone will get cornered eventually. It's made that way, you can't blame sonic fox. And then... fitty fitty

That's bullshit and you know it, I like Cassie very much, her lines are smarter than JC. Still story mode shows that NRS were either lazy or didn't have time for it

No. Story mode could have been longer but i was completely okay with Cassie saving the world. It was awesome. Certainly better than boring shadow ninja.

Actually, you can blame Fox. In the nuetral game, at the start of the round, both players have equal opportunity. As you yourself have said, a lot of stuff carries to the corner or pushes you to the corner in this game.

So if they each had an equal opportunity to corner the other, and Digit did it before Fox, than yes, Digit made the better reads.

 

[Hidan]

No. Story mode could have been longer but i was completely okay with Cassie saving the world. It was awesome. Certainly better than boring shadow ninja.

Actually, you can blame Fox. In the nuetral game, at the start of the round, both players have equal opportunity. As you yourself have said, a lot of stuff carries to the corner or pushes you to the corner in this game.

So if they each had an equal opportunity to corner the other, and Digit did it before Fox, than yes, Digit made the better reads.

Equal opportunity in corner carry with Raitarden? Ok
And then 50/50. No, better... fitty fitty with OS. cool

better reads indeed

 

[Rude]

Equal opportunity in corner carry with Raitarden? Ok
And then 50/50. No, better... fitty fitty with OS. cool

better reads indeed

Yep. Electric fly is a full combo punish on block.
If you got hit, you made a mistake.

From the very start of the round, yes. Sonic and Digit had an equal opportinity to corner the other.

You need to divorce yourself from emotion and look at it objectively.

You're acting like Errom Black's corner carry is small potatoes.

It's harsh, but it's not braindead. Sonic lost the nuetral game and had to deal with Digit's set play.

No different than anyone who lost the nuetral vs. Fox and had to deal with his set play.

Or that Sonic had no options to escape the corner. He might as well have put down the controller, right?

 

[Hidan]

Yep. Electric fly is a full combo punish on block.
If you got hit, you made a mistake.

From the very start of the round, yes. Sonic and Digit had an equal opportinity to corner the other.

You need to divorce yourself from emotion and look at it objectively.

You're acting like Errom Black's corner carry is small potatoes.

It's harsh, but it's not braindead. Sonic lost the nuetral game and had to deal with Digit's set play.

No different than anyone who lost the nuetral vs. Fox and had to deal with his set play.

Or that Sonic had no options to escape the corner. He might as well have put down the controller, right?

He pushes quite well on block too

You need to divorce yourself from phychology

No, it's not harsh, it's childish
"you re dead because you got 50/50'd, because you got cornered"
It proves nothing.

He could let the controller down, yes

 

[IrishMantis]

MK9. Dash cancelling (Eventhough run cancelling is an adequate substitute).

The implementation of armored moves seemed experimental in MK9, it kinda just semed like they never game it much thought, and were just like, "ok let's give this move armor, sound good? ok cool." MKX took a step in the right direction by giving everyone armored options.

That said, the oki game is WAY too inconsistent in MKX. Sure, you have tech rolling, wake up back dashing, wakeup armor for everyone, etc... but that doesn't even matter when certain characters have braindead moves that can safely stuff your armored reversals, and single hit normals that will randomly ignore armored reversals after HKD and stuff them when they're not supposed to. Invincible frames on regular wakeups does not equal zero oki. See SF4.

MKX has inconsistent and illogical move properties from one character to the next. Why do some characters have like 13 frame SAFE OH / Low starters when others are triple the frames and punishable? Why do variation specific SAFE specials for some characters grant ridiculous frame advantage while similar variation specific specials for others are punishable and are minus on hit? Why are there entire variations that are rendered completely useless because of the basic movesets of other characters? And why in the ever loving fuck is throw teching still a guess? It was the same in MK9, I know.. but that is the single thing I would choose to change about this game. No one likes it.

MK9 had significantly less bugs at release than MKX. I don't think that can be denied. punishable on hit specials, wiff on hit specials, wiff on hit normals (that still exists), walking right through clones, incorrect damage scaling, broken interactables ignoring block stun, sliding across the stage, meter gain bugs, getting stuck in the air, multiple infinites, etc.

The penalty for block breaker and breakers in general makes no sense. When some characters require meter use to be effective offensively when others do not, a static penalty for breaker use means that the more meter dependent characters are punished more severely in terms of effectiveness for using one.

There are characters with a laundry list of strings while others have like 4. There are SEVERAL strings that have zero practical use whatsoever in actual game play.

The MKX roster is unappealing and lazy. People's kids? new characters that aren't even good enough to use? Give me Smoke, Kabal, Cyrax, Sektor, Noob, Rain, Nightwolf, and Shang Tsung. Predator and Jason as DLC is fucking stupid.

MKX SHOULD have been the better game, but it's just not.

Think your forgetting MK9s players 1 advantage, input errors, random frame advantage and unblockable resets that leads 100% that ARE still in the game, at least the bugs are fixed now in MKX thats the difference

 

[Hidan]

@Rude To better explain "it proves nothing". Let's say we are playing offline. Mirror matches with raiden or kung or black.
I would laugh and tease you at your wins.
I would be unhype for knowing I could be just lucky at my wins

PS: it's bad taste the things you do are something you can't defend against

 

[KeyserSoze]

I could be wring, but I think we already have some OP characters. Probably worse than MK9. But if Nah, please enlighten me.

Yes, but the low tier characters in this game shit all over the low tier characters in MK9. In this game, being low tier isn't the non-viable death sentence it was in MK9.

 

[Rude]

@Rude To better explain "it proves nothing". Let's say we are playing offline. Mirror matches with raiden or kung or black.
I would laugh and tease you at your wins.
I would be unhype for knowing I could be just lucky at my wins

PS: it's bad taste the things you do are something you can't defend against

You can defend against it.

In order for Raiden to push you to the corner he has to:

Hit you with an electric fly.
Carry you there with a combo.
Push you there on block with blockstring pressure.

Now, since Raiden really only uses lightning cancels in combos, it would have more than one block string to push you to the corner.

Which means he has to hit you with Electric Fly or carry you to the corner.

In every scenario, he has to initiate offense.

Now, how is offense initiated in this game?

Jump in attacks.
Running and canceling the run into a blockstring.
Downpoking and using the frame advantage to run in and apply a blockstring or 50/50.
Using armor to break through your opponent's offense.

In every scenario, the defending player has options. Could defensive options be better? Absolutely. Are some characters better equipped in defense than others? Yes. I'm not arguing that.

My argument is that if you cannot stop your opponent's offense, that it is YOUR FAULT, not the game's.

If they jump, you could anti air.
If they try to use armor, you could block and punish or bait the armor.
If they're using block strings to push you to the corner, you could try to use armor, poke out, or use block breaker.

You and Woolay Chi are trying to craft this narrative that this game is entirely luck based. It isnt. If it was, everyone would make top 8. Randoms would make top 8.

But the results have been surprisingly consistent for a supposedly luck-based, coin flip game.

Sonic Fox has been doing a lot of winning in this game.

Dizzy won, beating Fox and REO.

If you can't see a commonality between players with strong fundamentals winning tournaments over players who don't...


...then i think there is nothing i can say to change your negative outlook. You should probably drop the game.

 

[SiThG0D]

MKX's gameplay, MK9's Roster.

 

[Hidan]

You can defend against it.

In order for Raiden to push you to the corner he has to:

Hit you with an electric fly.
Carry you there with a combo.
Push you there on block with blockstring pressure.

Now, since Raiden really only uses lightning cancels in combos, it would have more than one block string to push you to the corner.

Which means he has to hit you with Electric Fly or carry you to the corner.

In every scenario, he has to initiate offense.

Now, how is offense initiated in this game?

Jump in attacks.
Running and canceling the run into a blockstring.
Downpoking and using the frame advantage to run in and apply a blockstring or 50/50.
Using armor to break through your opponent's offense.

In every scenario, the defending player has options. Could defensive options be better? Absolutely. Are some characters better equipped in defense than others? Yes. I'm not arguing that.

My argument is that if you cannot stop your opponent's offense, that it is YOUR FAULT, not the game's.

If they jump, you could anti air.
If they try to use armor, you could block and punish or bait the armor.
If they're using block strings to push you to the corner, you could try to use armor, poke out, or use block breaker.

You and Woolay Chi are trying to craft this narrative that this game is entirely luck based. It isnt. If it was, everyone would make top 8. Randoms would make top 8.

But the results have been surprisingly consistent for a supposedly luck-based, coin flip game.

Sonic Fox has been doing a lot of winning in this game.

Dizzy won, beating Fox and REO.

If you can't see a commonality between players with strong fundamentals winning tournaments over players who don't...


...then i think there is nothing i can say to change your negative outlook. You should probably drop the game.

Nah, you did change it somehow

You are calm and that is probably why MKX does not frustrate you. You must be like: oh well he got in, my fault.

To break things down though, you see the game through the eyes of Summoner and Cybernetic if I remember correctly and I don't know who else. So that defensive game you're saying is possible with them specific zoners (and Kano's anti airing).

I started with Kano, then Kotal, Shinnok, to finally stuck with Jason. In an offline scene with 3 Raidens. I can't play my ass off in some day casuals.

I'm comparing the fun of MK9 & MKX. I don't believe these posts can make anyone who likes x or y game to be discouraged. I will keep playing MKX anyway cause Jason... and Predator

 

[Sultani]

Think your forgetting MK9s players 1 advantage, input errors, random frame advantage and unblockable resets that leads 100% that ARE still in the game, at least the bugs are fixed now in MKX thats the difference

No they aren't.

 

[Sultani]

lolol more 50/50 mentionings and complaints.

I love the idea that things are 50/50s after you've chosen to ignore every other option you have and decide to try and block. That's like saying you're in a 50/50 situation constantly right from the select screen against a character with OH and low starters... like armor, poking, back dashing, or hell, fighting back isn't a choice you can make.

 

[Vilén]

Meanwhile, Cassie is super clever and fun. She's a strong, independent woman which, based in your man card statement, is a concept you clearly feel threatened by.

A strong and independent woman meticulously designed by a team of men to be the "DAT ASS" girl of the game.

Also given this context I'd consider your definitions of clever and fun to be disturbing on a Lovecraftian level.