M2Dave's Friends of the Internet Most Recent Injustice: GAU Tier List

[coolwhip]

Because you are effectively snuffing out another players thought on tier simply because he's not your boy. .

Oh my Jesus Christ. I swear I'm arguing with a robot.

OK here's literally what I wrote in my last reply to you:

"But what you guys fail to see is nobody's chastising Ra simply because he's not 16 Bit. Hell, I talk about my character all the time, and I've never been to a tournament. That's not what it's about. The difference is, reliability and credibility lies not only in your accomplishments, but in your logic and arguments. The main problem with Ra is much of what he says is just inaccurate in the eyes of many, and not just because he never went offline. Since when does disagreeing with anyone means we're doing it because he doesn't have someone else's track record? PL is the most successful Kung Lao player by far, but he flipflops on Kung Lao's match-ups every day. So I'm not putting too much stock in his numbers. However, when you have someone who combines success with rationality, willingness to change his opinion based on knowledge (see 16 Bit backtracking on Catwoman losing to Green Lantern for example), and the ability to convince through logic, then yeah, I'm going to trust them more than 'Cat-Woman is A- tier, finalized!!!'"

So please explain to me how the fuck is disagreeing with Ra because his logic is terrible and he says a lot of dumb things = disagreeing with him because he's not 16 Bit? Like do you honestly disregard arguments that are inconvenient to your case on purpose just because you're that desperate to come off as the voice of reason?

I disagree with Ra because his match-up analysis is simplistic and basic. And I don't care if it's a thought-to-text thing since I'm not in his head. I can only read what he writes. He once seriously argued that online > offline. He argued that doing well in tournament isn't necessarily an indicator of skill, but rather, being good in a FT2/FT3. He said that the most successful Catwoman player "lacks skill." He said that if he beats Max in an online set (FT10), the match-up is confirmed 5-5. He spread false information that has been proven wrong (he says you can't stuff a delayed wake-up), and refuses to change his mind even when challenged with facts, and chooses instead to randomly give history lessons about the world. Should I seriously keep naming every single "questionable" statement he made and explain to you that THAT is why I don't find him too reliable or credible (which is by no means a reflection on his skills as a player) or are you still going to repeat the same tired argument that I'm simply disagreeing with him because he's not "my boy" just so that you can keep spreading your repetitive false narratives?

 

[TakeAChance]

Mysterious? The contributors for this tier list were included in the first post a week ago.



Fool, I called for 16 Bit's job. If he downplayed Catwoman, I would say so. She is an average character with at least three losing 7:3 match ups. She is obviously not A tier.



And I strongly believe that Sagat sucks in USFIV. Therefore, my opinion must be as valuable as Bonchan's, who also has strong opinions.

No, your opinion is simply your opinion. That is all. No need to call in the brigade against someone lol

I understand what you are all saying. I really do. It's a really hard thing to do, because I know you are all really good players and have grinded things over and over again.

Let me put it this way, and maybe this would be a better way to handle it...

What is the 100% acceptable way for someone who has no offline experience to contribute to this community and character forums?

 

[Phosferrax]

What is the 100% acceptable way for someone who has no offline experience to contribute to this community and character forums?

Understanding logic is a start. By not being so defensive or self-obsessed, or at least not come off like it. It is genuinely hard to tell with him posts, maybe some of the conveyed emotions aren't intentional.

 

[coolwhip]

I feel like this little nugget got glossed over. I enjoyed it.

It did. I totally expected a shit-ton (ha! puns!) of likes. I'm disappointed, TYM.

 

[TakeAChance]

Oh my Jesus Christ. I swear I'm arguing with a robot.



So please explain to me how the fuck is disagreeing with Ra because his logic is terrible and he says a lot of dumb things = disagreeing with him because he's not 16 Bit? Like do you honestly disregard arguments that are inconvenient to your case on purpose just because you're that desperate to come off as the voice of reason?

I disagree with Ra because his match-up analysis is simplistic and basic. And I don't care if it's a thought-to-text thing since I'm not in his head. I can only read what he writes. He once seriously argued that online > offline. He argued that doing well in tournament isn't necessarily an indicator of skill, but rather, being good in a FT2/FT3. He said that the most successful Catwoman player "lacks skill." He said that if he beats Max in an online set (FT10), the match-up is confirmed 5-5. He spread false information that has been proven wrong (he says you can't stuff a delayed wake-up), and refuses to change his mind even when challenged with facts, and chooses instead to randomly give history lessons about the world. Should I seriously keep naming every single "questionable" statement he made and explain to you that THAT is why I don't find him too reliable or credible (which is by no means a reflection on his skills as a player) or are you still going to repeat the same tired argument that I'm simply disagreeing with him because he's not "my boy" just so that you can keep spreading your repetitive false narratives?

I am not arguing the validity of RA Helio's posts. I am arguing his right to post. He is allowed to say that she isn't C tier. That is my entire point.

There is no false narrative. I read this thread. I saw your posts. You all were replying to him without any talk of matchups or Catwoman in general. You were just discrediting him because he is Ra Helios (Which in ways is 100% valid). Unfortunately, this creates a slippy slope. The reason why the 16 Bit comment was tossed up was to illustrate that since he does not compete offline at all, he therefore has no valid opinion on the character in your eyes. You trust what Bit says, and completely ignore Helios, even tho he has actually proven himself to be a competent player. Is he as good as Bit? Fuck no. Not in my opinion.

However, that doesn't mean he doesn't get to contribute or believe in his own matchups.

If you check my post above you will see a question that I asked. Maybe that would have been a better way to have this discussion.

I am not creating false narratives, that's drivel. I am simply debating and questioning how/if an online player can contribute within this community without being snuffed out by an offline player with more fame.

 

[xInfra Deadx]

At this point, a simple "Nope" would have worked...

 

[TakeAChance]

Also, I just want to state right now that I am in no way discrediting you guys on your ability or knowledge.

I just can't seem to find an answer to the question I wrote above and am trying to figure it out lol

 

[coolwhip]

I am not creating false narratives, that's drivel..

"Can we think that 16 Bit has a reason to downplay Catwoman" is a narrative you came up with and when challenged, did not support. I genuinely wonder what reason might that be.

 

[Johnny Based Cage]

What is the 100% acceptable way for someone who has no offline experience to contribute to this community and character forums?

Ooh! Ooh! Ooh! I know this! I learned this already!

Post nothing of matchups and be funny.

 

[TakeAChance]

"Can we think that 16 Bit has a reason to downplay Catwoman" is a narrative you came up with and when challenged, did not support. I genuinely wonder what reason might that be.

I posed the question. I did not create a narrative.

How would you like me to support my own question?

 

[coolwhip]

I posed the question. I did not create a narrative.

How would you like me to support my own question?

You posed a question that has no merit and is absolutely unfounded. You just threw it just because. I mean if your only argument about why a person might be wrong is a bunch of baseless what ifs, then you don't have much of an argument. OK, so it's not a false narrative. It's a stupid question. My bad.

And saying we disagree with Ra Helios juts because he's not 16 Bit is flat out wrong and IS a false narrative, as a multitude of people have shown you in this thread, and explained to you.

 

[KingHippo]

What is the 100% acceptable way for someone who has no offline experience to contribute to this community and character forums?

Not be a complete and utter jackass? There's a plethora of examples of online players contributing and it's fine. Posting something like "Catwoman can just j2 against Sinestro and he can't stop it" is jackassery and deserves regulation

 

[TakeAChance]

You posed a question that has no merit and is absolutely unfounded. You just threw it just because. I mean if your only argument about why a person might be wrong is a bunch of baseless what ifs, then you don't have much of an argument. OK, so it's not a false narrative. It's a stupid question. My bad.

And saying we disagree with Ra Helios juts because he's not 16 Bit is flat out wrong and IS a false narrative, as a multitude of people have shown you in this thread, and explained to you.

You need to go back and re-read the question. May does not equal Does.

It was a question for those to ponder, and is still a valid question to ponder.

I don't think we are currently engaged in the argument you think we are having...

What people am I saying are wrong?

Ok but he said he didn't think Catwoman was C-. You find me posts in this thread containing information on why that opinion is invalid. Find them and quote them. I want to see any one of you engaged in matchup discussion as to why she cannot be C Tier with RA Helios.

Show me the "False" narrative.

 

[TakeAChance]

Not be a complete and utter jackass? There's a plethora of examples of online players contributing and it's fine. Posting something like "Catwoman can just j2 against Sinestro and he can't stop it" is jackassery and deserves regulation

Agreed,

How do we regulate it appropriately?

 

[Cossner]

What is the 100% acceptable way for someone who has no offline experience to contribute to this community and character forums?

By actually contributing? Or is arguing about tier lists the only purpose of the forum?

 

[TakeAChance]

By actually contributing? Or is arguing about tier lists the only purpose of the forum?

Absolutely not. But arguing a tier means you have to argue matchups, which means SOMETIMES (I don't know if it's this case lol) more matchup knowledge is revealed and greater insights are had.

 

[rev0lver]

Then educate him. If he doesn't agree, move on. Stop mobbing up on people. I do not understand why this is so hard to do...

Also, I am not validating the accuracy of his statements, I am saying that he doesn't think Catwoman is C tier and you are all giving him hell for it without even discussing her matchups. I don't feel the need to type this again.

I just think that there has to be better ways to handle situations like this than that. There must be...right?

ok mom

 

[Johnny Based Cage]

What I don't get is why anyone even plays @Ra Helios in the first place if we're always just going to be able to fall back on the old online excuses crutch any time he gets wins anyway. It's not like these are offline champions stepping unwittingly into the @Ra Helios-exclusive terrordome that is online play for the very first time in their lives; they're at the tops of both the leaderboards and skill-rating system (no matter how flawed that may be) because of the very fact that they have extensive experience dealing with and overcoming online bullshit...

JK! IDEGAF! Disregard this post; I'll get back to just being funny again!

 

[Peckapowa]

Not be a complete and utter jackass? There's a plethora of examples of online players contributing and it's fine. Posting something like "Catwoman can just j2 against Sinestro and he can't stop it" is jackassery and deserves regulation

Ra isn't being a jackass, I don't think he intends to get on anyone nerves, just state his opinions. that's what makes him perfect


Then again, I am pretty sure he is reo on a troll account... almost 98% certain

 

[DarthArma]

Ra isn't being a jackass, I don't think he intends to get on anyone nerves, just state his opinions. that's what makes him perfect


Then again, I am pretty sure he is reo on a troll account... almost 98% certain

Ra-hEliOs

 

[Slips]

No, your opinion is simply your opinion. That is all. No need to call in the brigade against someone lol

I understand what you are all saying. I really do. It's a really hard thing to do, because I know you are all really good players and have grinded things over and over again.

Let me put it this way, and maybe this would be a better way to handle it...

What is the 100% acceptable way for someone who has no offline experience to contribute to this community and character forums?

How about a simple, 'This works for me online. But offline I'm not sure.'

That would be nice.

The dude doesn't play offline. Yet he comes off preaching strats that we all know don't work. We can't even get him to admit that 'maybe' the strats he uses are for online use only. It's ridiculous and you know it. He's claiming to be an expert in something he's never experienced. What makes it worse is that he claims that we, the ones that are actually playing offline, are the ones that are wrong. That is annoying and insulting to the people that actually do play offline.

I don't know how many more analogies I can make up for this dude, but it's like telling someone major league players in baseball aren't good hitters cause you smack fastballs in the batting cage all day. I mean come on man are you really defending this way of thinking?

 

[OG Mannimal]

Ra Helios is good but his logic makes no sense. The discussion about him, now that you all know, has been...

FINALIZED.

 

[Peckapowa]

Ra-hEliOs

Ra Helios

HAILS REO

I'ts AN ANAGRAM to worship REO

 

[Cossner]

@Cossner why do you do this to yourself

 

[Vocket]

Ok don't team up on him guys. I can confirm that ra helios has a job. He starts this week and everything he said was true. He will be working Monday thru Friday, 7am to 5/5:30pm. He must take the bus to get to and from work and if u have never ridden a bus thn u wouldn't understand when I say YES it could take up to 3 hours just to get to one destination depending on the distance when riding a city bus. @Cossner @Vocket

This really really sucks actually I hope Ra can get more free time I now know why he is always saying he is typing on his mobile and this explains his poor grammar (does not excuse it however). I take the bus myself and at one time I had to take an hour and a half long ride every day and that time on the bus dragged on for so long. I hope he can work out a better schedule because waking at 4:30 is brutal in addition to arriving at 9:30.

His Saturday church time also makes it impossible for him to go to any tourney that day and I am guessing he does not have a car. Someone needs to get this man to a tourney! Theoretical match-up talk can help but what I want to see is Helios play it out. Maybe then @Ra Helios can understand more and possibly gather evidence (heads) to prove his points. The build-up to see Helios in a tournament is growing each day.