When I said punishable on whiff I was referring to some of his tick throw setups/B2 xx HM, not when used in the neutral. And what else is good about Shazam that I didn't mention? The funny part is that I listed the best stuff about Shazam too. I mean I'm sorry that it seems biased because Catwoman is the better character.
Grundy is apparently better than Catwoman also. Is Tyrant part of the Skype illuminati?
Nah skype is probably grab immune
I'm curious about where their Grundy placement came from
the troll calling others trolls funny. Ra is a good guy.
Me too, I don't think Grundy is the best out of those characters by a long shot. That said I agree with his placement in that tier though.
Yeah I can agree he is C tier but to be better than all those othe characters? Hell no
Funny thing is Frost has always been a pretty garbage character in the games she's in. In MKDA, she was literally only good because slide led to an infinite. But she was pretty blah otherwise.
Because you are effectively snuffing out another players thought on tier simply because he's not your boy. That's the problem. We get it, you are not a big fan of Ra...hell I barely even know the guy. Discrediting someone for thinking a character is in a different tier than ONE extremely gifted player is shallow minded and short sighted. You said it yourself. Bit has been wrong before, and he will be wrong again. What makes you think Cat Womans place in C- tier is 100% set in stone?
To some extent, a thorough comparison of tools is a quick and easy way to decide which character is better imo. For example, if you thoroughly compare the tools of Nightwing to the tools of Scorpion you'll quickly be able to see which character is better.
Yet at the same time, a character's tools goes a pretty long way in determining their MUs. The best characters have the best tools while the shittiest characters have the shittiest tools. That's fighting games 101. Tools are just a way of ticking a box and the best characters are the ones that tick the best boxes. Having better tools allows a character to adapt to a wider variety of situations, making them more rounded. For example, MMH has a good movement and a teleport which are tools that allows him to deal with zoning much easier than let's say Lex Luthor who has worse movement and no teleport. This means that in MUs where you need to be able get past zoning (such as Zod), MMH will have a much easier time as opposed to Lex Luthor who gets bodied 9-1 due to his lack of anti-zoning tools.
I would put catwoman at least a B Tier not a C Tier.
I am friends with 16 Bit and i still vehemently disagree with him on a number of topics. Helios is not being blown up because of his opinions per se, it's more because he cannot make coherent points as to why he feels that way. And yea, shocker, Catwoman is much harder to fight online. I don't care who is talking; I will call out people that make bad arguments and basically justify them with "because i said so". Bit is able to give specific reasons why he thinks CW is bad and struggles in some mus. Helios babbles on about how he once slightly LOST to somebody in an online set and how that determines the mu. There will be no coddling from me. If you make inflammatory and nonsensical posts, I am going to say something about it.
If the mods close the thread then Dave gets to whine about his thread being closed... again. And then "illuminati" nonsense happens and where does that leave us?OMG someone close this already...i swear I am losing brain cells.
I feel like the logical voice is getting ignored simply because some people are sick of that logical voice usually being right.
I thought it was "man dude"?
Wait wait wait! You truly don't think his arguments, which involve players "choosing not to punish Catdash online" and "other plays lack skill", among many other logical fallacies, is reason enough to probably consider it a highly misinformed opinion? "Shallow" is his arguments, "short sighted" is the idea that a player doing massive things in the arena of skill that matters most is "lacking skills". Why is this allowed when we all know that if 16 Bit dared to say that others were lacking skill and players were just not punishing Catdash on purpose, he'd be crucified. OBS would conduct a Monday night special dedicated to blowing it up, about how bad he's blowing everyone up, but it's okay here...because why?
Mysterious? The contributors for this tier list were included in the first post a week ago.
Fool, I called for 16 Bit's job. If he downplayed Catwoman, I would say so. She is an average character with at least three losing 7:3 match ups. She is obviously not A tier.
And I strongly believe that Sagat sucks in USFIV. Therefore, my opinion must be as valuable as Bonchan's, who also has strong opinions.
I feel like this little nugget got glossed over. I enjoyed it.
Then educate him. If he doesn't agree, move on. Stop mobbing up on people. I do not understand why this is so hard to do...
