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Shaazzyam

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The middle east isnt about peace. Naturally as westerners its what we would like. But unfortunately thats not how middle easterners think. In their world there is a winner and a loser. The winner rules while the loser is oppressed. Its just how things work there and that wont change for quite some time if not ever
Looks that way, huh? In a perfect world this wouldn't be happening, I know. Countries fight, can't help it.

All I'm saying is I wish we would stop supporting it. That much the U.S. can definitely do.
 

Shark Tank

I don't actually play these games
I for sure know that i wasn't trying to say that but people love to twist words in their minds so thanks for bringing this up.

This isn't even about nationality , it's about human common sense.
#Soit'sactuallynotantiamericanridebutprocommonsensegladweagree
 

IMakeItL00kC00L

Do not provoke a god
Looks that way, huh? In a perfect world this wouldn't be happening, I know. Countries fight, can't help it.

All I'm saying is I wish we would stop supporting it. That much the U.S. can definitely do.
But can they really? If ISIS or syria/iran attacks israel and the U.S. just stands on the sidelines (i mean with supplies, not troops) is that really in our best interest? And God help us if ISIS or syria/iran defeats israel. Again, its about the lesser of two evils. The world is not perfect and very cruel , so sometimes you gotta make the choices you dont want to make even if it pains you to the core

TL;DR think big picture (i know that sounds very cold war-esque but what else do we have to go by at this point)
 
The middle east isnt about peace. Naturally as westerners its what we would like. But unfortunately thats not how middle easterners think. In their world there is a winner and a loser. The winner rules while the loser is oppressed. Its just how things work there and that wont change for quite some time if not ever
And how did you get this idea?
 

Art

Grave_Intent
But espionage is extremely risky, dangerous, and dirty. A lot of times it doesnt end well. The bay of pigs invasion is a great example of this
Ask yourself this.. How many assassins dose it take to kill a person? The how many people in an army and bombs dose it take to kill a person, and how many people get caught in the cross-fire?
The humane reason is simple... Just look at whats going on in Israel atm.
 

IMakeItL00kC00L

Do not provoke a god
Ask yourself this.. How many assassins dose it take to kill a person? The how many people in an army and bombs dose it take to kill a person, and how many people get caught in the cross-fire?
The humane reason is simple... Just look at whats going on in Israel atm.
Assassinations are never that simple dont kid yourself. Most of the targets of gov't organized assassinations are very dangerous and know that we are coming and will take every precaution to make it as difficult as possible to get that one clean kill
 

Chakk dizzle

That's baaaaane
The middle east isnt about peace. Naturally as westerners its what we would like. But unfortunately thats not how middle easterners think. In their world there is a winner and a loser. The winner rules while the loser is oppressed. Its just how things work there and that wont change for quite some time if not ever
I'm sorry but this post is fucking retarded.
 

Espio

Kokomo
Where should I start, the generalization of an entire region? Or your expert opinion of how a middle easterner thinks? You are fucking 16 years old, you know nothing of the world.
While I fully agree that the regional generalizations are pretty absurd, I think ageist arguments to discredit someone also are not fair. Age doesn't necessarily equate with wisdom.


There's huge variation across the region. Jordan for example, seems to generally be heading in a productive, moderate direction overall despite it having its flaws like America or the rest of the world, but nobody talks about Jordan, people only talk about the bad in most cases.


Jordan isn't perfect, but they seem to have generally taken a moderate stance on issues. They're pretty pro-Western, but they also speak out and advocate for Gaza/Palestinians from what I've followed and I'll stop my tangent now lol.
 
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IMakeItL00kC00L

Do not provoke a god
Where should I start, the generalization of an entire region? Or your expert opinion of how a middle easterner thinks? You are fucking 16 years old, you know nothing of the world.
you say to stop generalizing the region but you go again and generalize all 16 year olds by saying I know nothing. If that's not hypocrisy then I don't know what is. I never claim to be an expert, but why do you think all these middle eastern groups hate everything the U.S. and western civilization stand for? It has to be their ideology vs ours. I'm not some dumbshit teen who doesn't know shit about anything. I feel like I know a thing or too about this hellhole from basic history of the area and can use it to expand on ideas about why the leaders of these groups do what they do. And I never said that all middle eastern people are that way, but it sure as hell seems that the leaders of these groups think that way. The problem is that not everyone gets a voice down there, so when I talk about "them" I talk about the groups and leaders because sadly there are people that aren't allowed to have their say so the leaders of these groups are the ones with the influence and the ones that make the most noise so yeah that's my input and my 2 cents
 

Chakk dizzle

That's baaaaane
While I fully agree that the regional generalizations are pretty absurd, I think ageist arguments to discredit someone also are not fair. Age doesn't necessarily equate with wisdom.
Age doesn't necessarily equate with wisdom. HOWEVER, we are not talking about jeopardy knowledge, or even relationship experience. We are talking about the pscyhe of an entire region and it's people. He has not existed long enough unless he is some how residing there as we speak. Judging by his comments, I think it's safe to say he does not.
 

Chakk dizzle

That's baaaaane
you say to stop generalizing the region but you go again and generalize all 16 year olds by saying I know nothing. If that's not hypocrisy then I don't know what is. I never claim to be an expert, but why do you think all these middle eastern groups hate everything the U.S. and western civilization stand for? It has to be their ideology vs ours. I'm not some dumbshit teen who doesn't know shit about anything. I feel like I know a thing or too about this hellhole from basic history of the area and can use it to expand on ideas about why the leaders of these groups do what they do. And I never said that all middle eastern people are that way, but it sure as hell seems that the leaders of these groups think that way. The problem is that not everyone gets a voice down there, so when I talk about "them" I talk about the groups and leaders because sadly there are people that aren't allowed to have their say so the leaders of these groups are the ones with the influence and the ones that make the most noise so yeah that's my input and my 2 cents
You did not mention individual groups, you mentioned the middle east. Also, I have no idea what you just tried to articulate above.

Done reading this.
 

IMakeItL00kC00L

Do not provoke a god
Age doesn't necessarily equate with wisdom. HOWEVER, we are not talking about jeopardy knowledge, or even relationship experience. We are talking about the pscyhe of an entire region and it's people. He has not existed long enough unless he is some how residing there as we speak. Judging by his comments, I think it's safe to say he does not.
No i dont live in the region, but my great grandmother lived in Armenia. And ya know what, she had to cross the syrian desert at 7-8 years old because of the turks preforming genocide on the Armenians 100 years ago. So how is that not an example of oppression in that region hmmm?
 

Chakk dizzle

That's baaaaane
No i dont live in the region, but my great grandmother lived in Armenia. And ya know what, she had to cross the syrian desert at 7-8 years old because of the turks preforming genocide on the Armenians 100 years ago. So how is that not an example of oppression in that region hmmm?
300 years ago English Immigrants came to North America and slaughtered it's inhabitants over the course of 200 years. You aren't mentioning that in your argument. Point is there has been oppression in every region across the globe at some point in time.

What does this have to do with middle easterners specifically? You see why your generalization makes no sense? It has nothing to do with a specific region.
 
While I fully agree that the regional generalizations are pretty absurd, I think ageist arguments to discredit someone also are not fair. Age doesn't necessarily equate with wisdom.


There's huge variation across the region. Jordan for example, seems to generally be heading in a productive, moderate direction overall despite it having its flaws like America or the rest of the world, but nobody talks about Jordan, people only talk about the bad in most cases.


Jordan isn't perfect, but they seem to have generally taken a moderate stance on issues. They're pretty pro-Western, but they also speak out and advocate for Gaza/Palestinians from what I've followed and I'll stop my tangent now lol.
Age shouldn't really matter, but when it comes to political stuff/world affairs, you gotta take what someone under 20 years old says with a grain of salt. Especially after the stuff I just read, he isn't exactly wording it in an adult way...
 

IMakeItL00kC00L

Do not provoke a god
300 years ago English Immigrants came to North America and slaughtered it's inhabitants over the course of 200 years. You aren't mentioning that in your argument. Point is there has been oppression in every region across the globe at some point in time.

What does this have to do with middle easterners specifically? You see why your generalization makes no sense? It has nothing to do with a specific region.
Jews have been oppressed in the Middle East since the Old Testament days
 

IMakeItL00kC00L

Do not provoke a god
Age shouldn't really matter, but when it comes to political stuff/world affairs, you gotta take what someone under 20 years old says with a grain of salt. Especially after the stuff I just read, he isn't exactly wording it in an adult way...
because I'm not an adult, I'm just putting ideas out there. do you have to agree with it? no. I'm just putting it out there if you want to disagree fine I'm just giving my take on this
 

Espio

Kokomo
Age shouldn't really matter, but when it comes to political stuff/world affairs, you gotta take what someone under 20 years old says with a grain of salt. Especially after the stuff I just read, he isn't exactly wording it in an adult way...
I do not agree with his approach nor the generalizations as I find them fundamentally flawed as I indicated by giving an example of variation in the region. I think in general productive debate requires an open heart and mind.


Age doesn't necessarily equate with wisdom. HOWEVER, we are not talking about jeopardy knowledge, or even relationship experience. We are talking about the pscyhe of an entire region and it's people. He has not existed long enough unless he is some how residing there as we speak. Judging by his comments, I think it's safe to say he does not.

Correct, even if he lived in one particular country in the Middle East, it still wouldn't reflect on the whole region because as I pointed out in my post, a notable amount of variety exists. I do not think so either.

It just wouldn't be fair for me to point out one type of bias and not another, which is why I pointed out the stereotypes of both age and where someone comes from cause both are not fair.
 

Chakk dizzle

That's baaaaane
so you say that it isn't region specific, but I just gave an example of how long something like this has been in that specific region
As long as humans exist there will be oppression. IT IS NOT REGION SPECIFIC. There has been oppression everywhere on this planet. This is what you seem to not grasp. Oppression is not exclusive to the Middle East. I don't know how to explain this to you. The caananites would be bitching in this thread about being oppressed but they were genocide victims of the jews. If you want to cite biblical bullshit as well.
 

Art

Grave_Intent
Assassinations are never that simple dont kid yourself. Most of the targets of gov't organized assassinations are very dangerous and know that we are coming and will take every precaution to make it as difficult as possible to get that one clean kill
My point IS, assassins are few ARMIES are many. Assassins usually don't involve innocent civilians, where as armies DO. Again look at the current conflict in Israel.
 

IMakeItL00kC00L

Do not provoke a god
As long as humans exist there will be oppression. IT IS NOT REGION SPECIFIC. There has been oppression everywhere on this planet. This is what you seem to not grasp. Oppression is not exclusive to the Middle East. I don't know how to explain this to you. The caananites would be bitching in this thread about being oppressed but they were genocide victims of the jews. If you want to cite biblical bullshit as well.
Did i say that it ONLY happens in the middle east? Because if i did please tell me where. It just seems that we hear about it more in the middle east than anywhere else