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YOMI PRESENTS OUR PRE EVO MKX TIER LIST (RV2.0)

Espio

Espio

Kokomo
BillStickers said:
Mileena gets out of pressure with roll, EX roll, and throw, not pokes. In my limited experience with the matchup, EX punch walk seems to be the trump card that dictates the pace of the match, with EX roll being slightly weaker in comparison. They're both shitty characters with weird hitbox issues that makes for a very strange match lol. Idk; it's a really weird matchup that I'd like to explore further and get more opinions on.
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Which are high risk moves. You're essentially saying that in order for her to to get out of pressure she has to put her life on the line to do so, doesn't sound particularly promising for her.

If you block punchwalk armor, you still have to guess because he's only minus five, there's nothing to punish. He has the better pokes, pressure, oki and his means of getting out of pressure are safe and even if blocked correctly require her to still gamble whereas there's no guess for Goro if he blocks her right, just punish and carry her to the corner.

I'm willing to hear any counter points to anything I've said. I just play a good Mileena and feel I understand it fairly well. It's not a problem match up for Goro is all I'm saying. I don't care what it gets label wise beyond that.
 
BillStickers

BillStickers

Do not touch me again.
Espio said:
Which are high risk moves. You're essentially saying that in order for her to to get out of pressure she has to put her life on the line to do so, doesn't sound particularly promising for her.

If you block punchwalk armor, you still have to guess because he's only minus five, there's nothing to punish. He has the better pokes, pressure, oki and his means of getting out of pressure are safe and even if blocked correctly require her to still gamble whereas there's no guess for Goro if he blocks her right, just punish and carry her to the corner.

I'm willing to hear any counter points to anything I've said. I just play a good Mileena and feel I understand it fairly well. It's not a problem match up for Goro is all I'm saying. I don't care what it gets label wise beyond that.
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EEEXXXXXXXCCUUUUUUUUUUSE ME princess, but i was totally in agreement with you! God!! Change your fucking tampon lol.
 
YOMI MITYEAP

YOMI MITYEAP

Noob
hayatei said:
Can you tell me why you guys chose to put Takeda bottom 3?

imo ronin is his best variation and he only suffers from the f122+4 gap in shirai ryu and lasher variation
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Takeda's strengths are pretty well known, so I will list what holds him back imo:
*Pokes: way too slow/ just not the great in the neutral game or for counterpoking. This allows characters to be able to pressure him easier than others. He does have armor moves that serve there purpose but they aren't that fast and are highly unsafe.
*Pressure: There are gaps within some of his main strings which force him to have to change things up a good bit. His NJP is very good but that isn't enough for him to continually open ppl up so he has to risk using his OH whips and etc. to get the job done. His tele cancel isn't safe either and doesn't even put him at neutral frames at the least.
Anti airs: His d2 isn't bad but there are way too many ways around it (good jump in punches or kicks). He can NJP for jumping but that is on a read and if that read is wrong he suffers from it.
Mobility: Does have a tele in one of his variations but otherwise he is not moving very well to get around the screen.
Side note: Ronin may become the answer for takeda so I haven't gave up on moving up the list and tbh he is still viable and able to be used in tourny .
 
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Ra Helios

Ra Helios

Omnipotent God-like Selina Kyle Player
Tym member that agrees with this ia a sheeps going to the slaughter. Especially liu kane placement. Uhhh!!!! How can sone one be so blind putting liu kane at the 20th spot on the tier list.
 
Rude

Rude

You will serve me in The Netherrealm
Qwark28 said:
What is the reason for this?

It looks like twitter became the "cool girls" gathering spot and instead of discussing and explaining your tier list that you posted on TYM on TYM we need to reach you on some other site resulting in a communicative clusterfuck? You know nobody's going to do that.
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I agree. In their defense, this site is getting pretty bad.
 
Metzos

Metzos

You will BOW to me!
BillStickers said:
IMO it takes a very special combination of arrogance and ignorance to suggest that high level players haven't explored the possibilities of each character and variation by now.

You realize that YOMI has character specialists for Mileena, Goro, and F/T, right? Hell, I have put HARDLY ANY time into MKX and have labbed all 3 of them.

People said the same shit in MK9 about low tiers like Jade, Sheeva, and Kano. "Hurr dude they're just unexplored and they just need someone who can make them broken." Guess what? Krayzie and Mr. Mileena both had great Jades. Jeremiah and Tyrant had godlike Sheevas. Scar had a godlike Kano. Guamokun and J360 both made Cyber-Sub look viable. What do they all have in common? They knew the characters, at the end of the day, were ass. They all ended up maining other, BETTER, characters in tournament.

I've learned my lesson and will not allow these garbage arguments to be made. Unless YOU are willing to prove otherwise, cut the "unexplored" argument bullshit.
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Since when its arrogance and ignorance disagreeing with some one? Cause it really seems that they havent, judging that they switch character placings every week or so. Take that elitist bullshit elsewhere m8.

Secondly, no i dont believe they have specialists for Goro ( i m speaking only for him since i main him), since FK lost all credibility saying to me that Goro loses against KK. That alone says it all. I am not going to take the word of a player who plays Goro as his 3rd or 4rth character, like, ever. And not to mention i m still waiting the footage to see how he deals with some MU's we discussed.

Dont bring MK9 in this, cause things were ALOT different there. Each character didnt have 3 variations, MKX has way more tech than MK9 had, more mixups etc etc. Its not the same game almost in every aspect. In MK9, some characters were where they belonged, before and after the final patch hit.

The only garbage here, is that piece of shit of a post you made, only to think you ll piss me off. You failed. Go back to your cave now and come out next spring.
 
Metzos

Metzos

You will BOW to me!
Matador Fiend said:
To put it another way, who is Goro better than if he isnt bottom 1? What character is there where you think, oh Goro would be the better choice if i wanted to win.

I also think he gets boned hardcord by scorpion and mileena. Your thoughts?
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Depends on the MU. I m not saying he dominates the majority of the cast, i m saying that, his MU's are winnable if you play them correctly. He has ways to keep his opponent on the ground to get his game started.

HF Scorpion? If so, yes he loses against HF Scorpion 6-4. Keep in mind that 6-4's in MKX are highly winnable matches as well. Against Mileena i believe its 5-5, although Mileena has to take many more risks than Goro to get her damage going. Goro on the other hand, is safe everywhere. Plus if he blocks Mileena's roll, 45% of her life is gone with one bar with KW. His pokes are superior as well. The thing is, he does really well against many of the high tier characters, like HW and Brawler Cassie, Raiden, EB, Jax etc etc.

His worst MU's are KL, Tanya, QC and possibly Shinnok. All of the others can be won. Just because Goro is not easy to play with at high level, unlike many of the other characters of MKX, it does not mean that he sucks.

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Metzos

Metzos

You will BOW to me!
Matador Fiend said:
Ive seen forever king explain quite a few times why goro is garbage, thouh not in this particular thread
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He has AA issues (although chest lunge in KW and exdb2 in DF are solid AA's) and his b12u2 string needs to be fixed a bit. So? Other characters, including some in the high and mid tiers, have AA issues as well. What does that mean, that they are bottom 1?

What about Goro's ground game?

What about Goro's corner game?

What about Goro's down pokes?

What about Goro's safeness?

What about Goro's damage output and full screen presence in KW?

What about Goro's frame traps?

What about Goro's 8 frame command grab with its insane range, which his opponent HAS to respect every time he is minus on block and it can punish stuff that are virtually unpunishable (prime examples are Jason's B122 string and KK's f2 normals).

I m not saying he is top tier, but saying he is bottom 1 without a single explanation or footage, is absurd. I respect FK and he is a great player, as well as the other YOMI players (especially the Terry brothers), but i m not going to take the word of someone who uses Goro as their 3rd/4rth character.
 
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buyacushun

buyacushun

Normalize grab immunity.
@YOMI MITYEAP I have a few requests for the next tier list.

On the next tier list can we get actual tiers (S,A,B,C . . .)?

Explanations for each character? And when you do the explanations split it up by variation if more than 1 plays a huge part in the character. So if

Character A variations 1 is good at mixups but variation 2 is a good back up because reversals or whatever, talk about how good variation 1 is then say "variation 2 helps out in these areas to cement the character here." Or something like that please.

If it's not too much please precede the list with an explanation of how you're viewing the game. What you think will be the dominant playstyles, the main tools or categories you're using to rate characters, just overall game theory. I think this would be the most helpful in giving a tier list any amount of credibility, especially 3-4 months in. It would also set the tone for how the discussions should go.

I for one enjoy a good theory fight discussion but it's gotta at least be done right.
 
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