General/Other - Pyromancer Why Tanya has potential BEST zoning in new Meta of the game.

[Tweedy]

Most of it is going to be player vs player.

Revet lost to Dragon 3-2, but beat Starcharger 3-0. How can you explain that? Maybe Dragon had a better understanding of the MU and played better?

Like I said earlier, I've lost to Revet before with pre patch Tarkatan. I've been winning sets vs Scorpion players with Kenshi and that MU is trash.

Revet vs whoever doesn't determine everything. Match up specifics do. The match up isn't 7-3 or worse in either character's favor, so it's gonna come down to the player, more often than not. Am I wrong?

 

[SM StarGazer]

Be honest with yourself and Say that pyro is just a better zoner than Kitana, I don't see how you could STILL say this after that set lmao

32-3

Again..I'll say it one more time. Continue playing me over time. Even now with little to no experience against Pyro we had a mass of close games. Across Mournful and RS.

RS can compete. I jump to much honestly...

I'm not very patient. I'd rather run up instantass then reflect all day...and even then..the score does not reflect the action.

GG's nonetheless

 

[EntropicByDesign]

Commando Kano best zoner imo. Because reasons. I will give evidence: Evidence.

No but seriously, this thread is fantastic. You have a nasty Tanya. I want to see this Khaotik set.

 

[RevetLeafing]

Again..I'll say it one more time. Continue playing me over time. Even now with little to no experience against Pyro we had a mass of close games. Across Mournful and RS.

RS can compete. I jump to much honestly...

I'm not very patient. I'd rather run up instantass then reflect all day...and even then..the score does not reflect the action.

GG's nonetheless

I'm sorry... 32-3 is not the result of bad mu knowledge, or "not knowing what you can do" When you just said you were letting me get away with murder. And yeah i've been saying that for a while, that was pretty cool when both Pyromancer fireballs reflected back at me in a 2 hit combo lol Rs Can compete yes, but mournful and Assassin are bye

 

[Tweedy]

Revet does so many things, that I've seen work on Sonic, Scar, Dragon, that the Tanya community on here will swear up and down aren't real.

Like run cancelling F3 into B3, then letting the F3 rip.

Maybe I have Bobby Hill reactions, but I've played Revet a ton, and I can't react to or fuzzy that shit lol.

Not only are you playing Revet who is a very good player, you're playing a version of a character that you've been told by this downplaying community, does not exist. There's no such thing as fuzzying that mix up in real life.

That's why I hate all of the Cyrax and CSZ downplaying. Cyrax has real dirt, that is being discovered slowly but surely. Am I supposed to get hit by that and be like "well madeofmetal told me that Cyrax has nothing so I just suck"?

Cyber Sub Zero is impossible to zone, has great mobility, mix ups, can make his mix ups safe and launching with a bar, is one of the best answers to Ermac, etc. His HTB aren't anywhere close to guaranteed so he sucks? Please breh please.

 

[CrazyFingers]

Revet does so many things, that I've seen work on Sonic, Scar, Dragon, that the Tanya community on here will swear up and down aren't real.

Like run cancelling F3 into B3, then letting the F3 rip.

Maybe I have Bobby Hill reactions, but I've played Revet a ton, and I can't react to or fuzzy that shit lol.

Not only are you playing Revet who is a very good player, you're playing a version of a character that you've been told by this downplaying community, does not exist. There's no such thing as fuzzying that mix up in real life.

That's why I hate all of the Cyrax and CSZ downplaying. Cyrax has real dirt, that is being discovered slowly but surely. Am I supposed to get hit by that and be like "well madeofmetal told me that Cyrax has nothing so I just suck"?

Cyber Sub Zero is impossible to zone, has great mobility, mix ups, can make his mix ups safe and launching with a bar, is one of the best answers to Ermac, etc. His HTB aren't anywhere close to guaranteed so he sucks? Please breh please.

You ever see Mr Aquaman play CSZ? That's man is why I think CSZ is a pretty damn good character.

 

[Tweedy]

You ever see Mr Aquaman play CSZ? That's man is why I think CSZ is a pretty damn good character.

Yeah. It's not an easy match up for Kenshi.

 

[CrazyFingers]

Yeah. It's not an easy match up for Kenshi.

Well yea because you can't lock the damn character down and you can't play any keep away what's so ever. Character is good.

 

[Guds Skyfall]

Do you know what happened the last time he shared his opinion?

No – what happened?

 

[Awkward Sloth]

The best thing that will come from this thread is people getting pyro MU knowledge.

Because honestly the number of people that know the MU are very slim.

Maybe people will finally figure out some things about her. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

 

[The_Tile]

Cyber Sub Zero is impossible to zone, has great mobility, mix ups, can make his mix ups safe and launching with a bar, is one of the best answers to Ermac, etc. His HTB aren't anywhere close to guaranteed so he sucks? Please breh please.

Fuzzy able mixups (which aren't safe even with bar btw, -9 iirc), one good matchup, somewhat meh oki and good mobility in a game where everyone has good mobility does not make a good character.

Admittedly he's not dead and hasn't been removed from the game. He's definitely not good though, very average at best.

 

[Parasurama]

I'm sorry... 32-3 is not the result of bad mu knowledge, or "not knowing what you can do" When you just said you were letting me get away with murder. And yeah i've been saying that for a while, that was pretty cool when both Pyromancer fireballs reflected back at me in a 2 hit combo lol Rs Can compete yes, but mournful and Assassin are bye

Wow, so many posts on this. Do you have links or youtube footage on your Tanya Pyromancer. Also, any ideas on how to get in on her?

 

[ragnar0kz28]

If this matchup chart comes from ONLINE experience, then I could agree, I used to play her till I reallized her shenannigans didnt work offline, and teleport characters give her the finger, and she doenst have good rushdown to compensate it in those matchups, scorp, royal storm, jacky, smoke, lao, sektor, they all give her a very bad time.

 

[Skedar70]

This guy is probably a top player that doesn't get to travel that much that's why he doesn't get recognition and people are questioning his opinion although he seems to be providing proof of his points mostly against RS Kitana. He already beat M2Dave in the tremor match and Stargazer and charger, which are top kitana players. He also runs sets with Atai which I belive he does cause I have seen him in streams against top players. He probably is right, but TYM doesn't listen to logical numbers and facts backed up by proof. It would be interesting to see how a long set against Atai or KP goes though.

 

[Indecisive]

One set does not determine a MU even if its 32-2. During Injustice i would play Long sets. Ending in 50-0 sometimes. Over the course of a few weeks/months matches started to get more even. Near the end i started winning more. MU was still not in my favor But 4-6 is not a big deal. Watching some of these sets these are not 7-3 numbers. 7-3 is something like Bane Catwomen. Where you start to realize you have very little options in situations and you need to play basically perfect to win. Give people time to learn the MU considering most people didnt care enough to learn the pyro MU. Also show the Ping in your sets pls. Thanks

 

[Tweedy]

If this matchup chart comes from ONLINE experience, then I could agree, I used to play her till I reallized her shenannigans didnt work offline, and teleport characters give her the finger, and she doenst have good rushdown to compensate it in those matchups, scorp, royal storm, jacky, smoke, lao, sektor, they all give her a very bad time.

^^^^ This is why Revet is awesome.

Everyone who tries to play Pyro, just plays her flowchart asf and then deems her to be shit, when that gets shut down.

I guarantee you didn't even play all of those listed match ups extensively. I'm talking multiple 20-50 game sets, with specific lab time in between.

Posts like these are also bad for the people who may challenge lord Revet. You'll have them going in there thinking, that Tanya cannot adapt to teleporting. The score will quickly amount to something ugly and tears will be shed.

 

[ragnar0kz28]

^^^^ This is why Revet is awesome.

Everyone who tries to play Pyro, just plays her flowchart asf and then deems her to be shit, when that gets shut down.

I guarantee you didn't even play all of those listed match ups extensively. I'm talking multiple 20-50 game sets, with specific lab time in between.

Posts like these are also bad for the people who may challenge lord Revet. You'll have them going in there thinking, that Tanya cannot adapt to teleporting. The score will quickly amount to something ugly and tears will be shed.

What can pyro do agains Sektor? or smoke for example? those matchups are pretty much a guaranteed loss for her

 

[ragnar0kz28]

I agree on hes numbers vs Kitana ONLINE, here he played Dragon in CR he barelly lost, this MU is dead even offline.

 

[SM StarGazer]

I'm sorry... 32-3 is not the result of bad mu knowledge, or "not knowing what you can do" When you just said you were letting me get away with murder. And yeah i've been saying that for a while, that was pretty cool when both Pyromancer fireballs reflected back at me in a 2 hit combo lol Rs Can compete yes, but mournful and Assassin are bye

That among other things. The amount of Tanya's has dropped drastically..forget Pyro I haven't seen a Kobu in nearly a year.

Let me put it like this:
A character in the hands of someone who understands that character, and the tactics and abilities of the opposing character has a distinct advantage over someone who (like stated above) does not

 

[RevetLeafing]

If this matchup chart comes from ONLINE experience, then I could agree, I used to play her till I reallized her shenannigans didnt work offline, and teleport characters give her the finger, and she doenst have good rushdown to compensate it in those matchups, scorp, royal storm, jacky, smoke, lao, sektor, they all give her a very bad time.

Actually, Tanya has very good rushdown on all those characters you mentioned, the TYM Tanya community acts as if i,m just gonna throw fireballs at a teleport character braindead, no I know to exploit those matchups very well, is this what you are thinking in your head? Round 1 FIGHT! (Tanya Throws Fireball) Scorpion Punishes with teleport.. because if so then yea, you haven't fought a pyromancer

 

[RevetLeafing]

That among other things. The amount of Tanya's has dropped drastically..forget Pyro I haven't seen a Kobu in nearly a year.

Let me put it like this:
A character in the hands of someone who understands that character, and the tactics and abilities of the opposing character has a distinct advantage over someone who (like stated above) does not

Here is my thing though you are saying this AFTER we fought, you swore up and down that Tanya gets completely bopped by Kitana, then when I fought you you bring up the same thing m2dave did, "You are the only Tanya" " you were getting away with murder" , but why didn't yall say this before?? You got caught up lmao, and that's all

 

[RevetLeafing]

Revet does so many things, that I've seen work on Sonic, Scar, Dragon, that the Tanya community on here will swear up and down aren't real.

Like run cancelling F3 into B3, then letting the F3 rip.

Maybe I have Bobby Hill reactions, but I've played Revet a ton, and I can't react to or fuzzy that shit lol.

Not only are you playing Revet who is a very good player, you're playing a version of a character that you've been told by this downplaying community, does not exist. There's no such thing as fuzzying that mix up in real life.

That's why I hate all of the Cyrax and CSZ downplaying. Cyrax has real dirt, that is being discovered slowly but surely. Am I supposed to get hit by that and be like "well madeofmetal told me that Cyrax has nothing so I just suck"?

Cyber Sub Zero is impossible to zone, has great mobility, mix ups, can make his mix ups safe and launching with a bar, is one of the best answers to Ermac, etc. His HTB aren't anywhere close to guaranteed so he sucks? Please breh please.

f3 into cancel is sworn to be a gimmick for some odd reason, it's so real even in her other variations not just pyro. However the "gimmick" works most in pyro and leads to crazy damage, as some people would say "Tanya's damage is garbage" okay so one bar if I land the over head it is 46%, with the low it'll be 40% now idk if this damage is considered bad? But I sure as hell think it's a good amount of damage for a character that has the best mobility in the game, top 3 zoning, and crazy mixup game, the reason why i'm 30-0'ing these people on here is because simply, they DIDNT know what Tanya can do, they took the words of TYM and came up with the conclusion that Tanya is bad and doesn't exist. This is why after the sets both of them said the exact same thing lmao, "You were doing different stuff I didnt know she can do"

 

[SneakyTortoise]

Yeah as much as I disagree with one set defining a MU number , people are looking really silly coming in here claiming they know the MU number, getting bopped and then saying "yo, but I don't know the MU bro".

If you don't know the MU, you don't get to comment on the MU number, end of.

 

[Darth-Nero]

I am glad that RevetLeafing exists, If it wasn't for him..Tanya's full potential would've remained forever unlocked.

 

[ragnar0kz28]

Actually, Tanya has very good rushdown on all those characters you mentioned, the TYM Tanya community acts as if i,m just gonna throw fireballs at a teleport character braindead, no I know to exploit those matchups very well, is this what you are thinking in your head? Round 1 FIGHT! (Tanya Throws Fireball) Scorpion Punishes with teleport.. because if so then yea, you haven't fought a pyromancer

You must be trolling us, try fight Cossners Sektor get beat then say she stands a chance, then go play Scars Smoke get beat and then come here and say she has a chance, atleast those 2 characters are 7 / 3 her.