Which characters and what should be normalized on them?

[JS1]

Nerf Shinnok & Tanya, pressure and blockstring is ridiculous

 

[1man3letters]

make shinnok f41d2~special cancel be able to be armored.
SLIGHTY reduce kung lao's j2, it seems to extend past his hat alot of the time and make tempest hat - 5
fix jaxs b2~special cancel on block

 

[james1926]

Kung lao (tempest) needs nerfs, Jacqui and Goro need buffs, changes on these 3 is a must.

 

[XxTheGoblinX]

Liu kangs low fireballs

 

[C88 Zombieekiler]

Make f3 and f34 with cage -3 and cancelllable or give him a 7f d3 and he will actually be a rushdown character. Instead if being average in both departments

the sad thing is hes soooo fun but so whack

 

[C88 Zombieekiler]

kung laos chip, liu kangs dash cancel still being +6, predators d4 being so quick, predators damage, predators hurbox on shoulder cannon. theres more i just cant be fucked to post it

 

[C88 Zombieekiler]

also those hitboxes

 

[Big Pampering]

make shinnok f41d2~special cancel be able to be armored.
SLIGHTY reduce kung lao's j2, it seems to extend past his hat alot of the time and make tempest hat - 5
fix jaxs b2~special cancel on block

What exactly do you expect to be different if hat spin is -5 instead of -3?

 

[C88 Zombieekiler]

What exactly do you expect to be different if hat spin is -5 instead of -3?

he wont be able to check with d4

 

[Big Pampering]

he wont be able to check with d4

hat spin is -3 and d4 is 9 frames. So in that specific situation the d4 is 12 frames, you are are faster regardless of hat spin being -3 or -5.

 

[Immortal]

Netcode needs a nerf coz it's to godlike atm.

 

[1man3letters]

What exactly do you expect to be different if hat spin is -5 instead of -3?

i feel -3 is too good for what the move does, would u rather i said make it -10?
-5 would still be very fair imo

 

[Big Pampering]

i feel -3 is too good for what the move does, would u rather i said make it -10?
-5 would still be very fair imo

What does the move do? The only situations where you should cancel a hat spin on block is after f2 and b2. It makes his overhead safe.

 

[C88 Zombieekiler]

hat spin is -3 and d4 is 9 frames. So in that specific situation the d4 is 12 frames, you are are faster regardless of hat spin being -3 or -5.

i know but that would eliminate the mindgame

 

[Big Pampering]

i know but that would eliminate the mindgame

No it doesnt. d4 makes you respect him a bit more and keeps you from going into your overhead/low/mid option after hat spin on block every single time. And if you start poking kung lao can backdash. Sounds like a more than fair guessing game.

 

[navaroNe]

Currently I'm terrified of predator. Like I seriously don't think he needs to do anymore than 30 dmg because he is freaking nuts

I know it's too early to call his tier but im seriously scared to see this character in tournament. I honestly think he is far worse than MMH right now

Predator is suppose to be terrifying, watch the movies. How terrifying would he be with a measly 30%? Not enough. Pretty sure I saw him nail a few 100% combos in the movies, consider yourself lucky

Personally I despise playing kung jin players online and feel like his NJP is in serious need of a nerf at the very least.

 

[C88 Zombieekiler]

No it doesnt.

how doesnt it?

 

[1man3letters]

What does the move do? The only situations where you should cancel a hat spin on block is after f2 and b2. It makes his overhead safe.

its a combo starter/extender, anti wake up tool, gives near free run ins when active...should i go on?
-5 it would still be safe (bar cassie)

 

[Big Pampering]

how doesnt it?

I edited my post to explain. What mindgame did you have in mind then?

 

[kabelfritz]

Nerf johnny cage, buff liu kang buff warrior predator

you mean the other way round, right?

 

[Big Pampering]

its a combo starter/extender, anti wake up tool, gives near free run ins when active...should i go on?
-5 it would still be safe (bar cassie)

You are mixing everything up. The move being -5 is only when you are making the opponent block it as you activate it. What you are trying to do doesn't even apply to almost everything you just mentioned here. It doesn't give you free run ins it doesn't work that way. Like I said You should only be cancelling into hat spin after f2 or b2. Because he doesn't have a low it should be perfectly fine as it is and f2 hat spin can be armored out of and is still a good mid, it doesnt need adjustments.

 

[kabelfritz]

kano:
cyber: slightly more damage on knives and a lot more on ex knives
cutthroat: slightly extended hitbox on b1
commando: more plus frames on connected parry, f33 choke should connect on hit

112 should not whiff on crouching characters

shinnok: i dont know but nercomancer bs needs to go.
kung lao: temptest is probably still a bit too strong

do for fucks sake NOT buff quan chi.

 

[1man3letters]

You are mixing everything up. The move being -5 is only when you are making the opponent block it as you activate it. What you are trying to do doesn't even apply to almost everything you just mentioned here. It doesn't give you free run ins it doesn't work that way. Like I said You should only be cancelling into hat spin after f2 or b2. Because he doesn't have a low it should be perfectly fine as it is and f2 hat spin can be armored out of and is still a good mid, it doesnt need adjustments.

ok your clearly set in your opinion, if you dont see how good that move is i dunno what to tell you.
so what if kung lao doesnt have a low combo starter lol

you said yourself not much would change if it was -5 so relax man, this was a thread about peoples opinions, i gave mine, if you dont like it thats fine.

 

[GLoRToR]

Takeda needs his teleport to be safer and needs a bit more range on those cords.

 

[Big Pampering]

ok your clearly set in your opinion, if you dont see how good that move is i dunno what to tell you.
so what if kung lao doesnt have a low combo starter lol

you said yourself not much would change if it was -5 so relax man, this was a thread about peoples opinions, i gave mine, if you dont like it thats fine.

I am discussing this while respecting your opinion, why are you being so defensive? I know the move is really good, please don't put words in my mouth. The change you suggested just doesn't apply to almost everything you just said and that is not a matter of opinion. I just disagree with the change, because you aren't actually providing a reason/justification for the change.