Question Ungrab-able frames?

[PND i2 Gaug3]

Yup these are some of the strings that cant be grappled

Flash
11[2] (only a small amount of frames where you cant grab him)
11[3] (-11 so thats ok)

Nightwing
11[2] (- 11 special cancel able)

Batman
None (f23 is understandable he is off the ground)

Cyborg
b1[2] (-2)

Green arrow
33 (-21 but special cancel-able)

Superman

Normals:

1[1]1
1[12]
22[3]
f2[d1] on the d1 startup
f2[3]
b2[3]
b1 on startup

Specials:

HeatZap (few frames on startup)
Ground Laser (few frames on startup)
Ground Smash
Air Throw
Flying Punch
MB Super Breath
MB Flying Punch

Raven
None (f2233/b23 off the ground)

Aquaman
f13 (+2 can be backdashed)

WW
b2 lasso

Sinestro
df2 (only in a few of the last frames)
112, after the first hit
1b23, third hit
b13, second hit
b2

KF
f2[1]
f2[3]
[b2]
[u3]
11[b2]

Black Adam really fucks up Grundy's WC lol

Trait is unthrowable during activation.
b2[3]
1[3] - If both hits connect on the WC armor, you get a free throw and it counts the hits before for 20%
[f2] is hard to time, very few unthrowable frames
11[2]
11[3]
11~[4] and you have enough time to get full combo

Batgirl was made to fuck up WC

[b2]
[b12] - either hit
11[u3] - you can cancel into dd3 mb for a combo into her standing reset
11[3]
12[b2] - for oki
12[b3]
2[3] and f2[3] are difficult to time with very few unthrowable frames

Shazam
f2[2]
2[2]
f1[2] - if you time it so the second hit connect with the WC armor, you get a full f22 combo

Bane

Normals

11[2]
11[3]
B1[1]2
1[2]3
B2[1]
B2[3]
F2[D2]
F2[D3]

Specials

Body Press
Shoulder Charge
Venom Uppercut (even when his feet are on the ground)
Double punch, few frames on the first hit

CBA to do anymore

 

[RYX]

Bane can do it with raging charge

DS b.1 u.2 does it too.

 

[Gesture Required Ahead]

Isn't Lantern's B1 throw immune?

 

[1truking]

there's a lot more than that. I've noticed a lot of nightwings staff stance has at least partial throw invulnerable frames. Can't count how many times I was like I finally got in with a walking corpse only to have the grab just go through him.

 

[DeathAndHealing]

Yeah and with his trait nerf Idk. Grundy was my fun character but he doesnt seem fun anymore, I guess I should just level up and cancel my WCC if they do immune strings but it is still hella annoying.

 

[Heroic_Legacy]

Shazam can f22 through walking corpse and get a full combo

 

[Asodimazze]

I tested WC against all Sinestro moves a few weeks ago. He can't get grabbed during this moves:

df2 (only in a few of the last frames)
112, after the first hit
1b23, third hit
b13, second hit
b2

The ungrab-able frames are by far the biggest problem Grundy has sadly....this crappy mechanic totally kills our character

 

[NRF CharlieMurphy]

I tested WC against all Sinestro moves a few weeks ago. He can't get grabbed during this moves:

df2 (only in a few of the last frames)
112, after the first hit
1b23, third hit
b13, second hit
b2

The ungrab-able frames are by far the biggest problem Grundy has sadly....this crappy mechanic totally kills our character

OH projectiles kill the character

you shouldn't be trying to grab during strings anyway

you should be cancelling and crushing them on recovery of said strings.

 

[PLAYING TO WIN]

I tested WC against all Sinestro moves a few weeks ago. He can't get grabbed during this moves:

df2 (only in a few of the last frames)
112, after the first hit
1b23, third hit
b13, second hit
b2

The ungrab-able frames are by far the biggest problem Grundy has sadly....this crappy mechanic totally kills our character

Pig Of The Hut
WoundCowboy

 

[Asodimazze]

OH projectiles kill the character

you shouldn't be trying to grab during strings anyway

you should be cancelling and crushing them on recovery of said strings.

It's not that easy, because a lot of ungrabbable strings might also hit you exactly when you cancelled walking corpse and have no armor.


OH projectiles are a big problem too...no doubt, but I feel the ungrab-able frames are the biggest one

 

[PND i2 Gaug3]

Projectile characters pose no threat to grundy UsedForGlue

 

[UsedForGlue]

You forgot Deathstroke B1U2.

Once you get a grab into your stance that fucks projectile characters, you are landed my Jamaican chum.

 

[LaR]

all b3's and f3's are grab immune

 

[Konqrr]

WC whiffs on the following KF moves:

f2[1]
f2[3]
[b2]
[u3]
11[b2] - You can cancel the b2 into MB Grab, but for that to connect the b2 must popup.

 

[AssassiN]

Nightwing:
Escrima: B2
Staff: B1, 1[B1], Staff Spin, 1~[Staff Blast]

 

[Konqrr]

Black Adam really fucks up Grundy's WC lol

Trait is unthrowable during activation.
b2[3]
1[3] - If both hits connect on the WC armor, you get a free throw and it counts the hits before for 20%
[f2] is hard to time, very few unthrowable frames
11[2]
11[3]
11~[4] and you have enough time to get full combo

Batgirl was made to fuck up WC

[b2]
[b12] - either hit
11[u3] - you can cancel into dd3 mb for a combo into her standing reset
11[3]
12[b2] - for oki
12[b3]
2[3] and f2[3] are difficult to time with very few unthrowable frames

As Heroic_Legacy pointed out, Shazam can use f22 and he gets a full EX HM combo.

Full list of Shazam's WC unthrowables:

f2[2]
2[2]
f1[2] - if you time it so the second hit connect with the WC armor, you get a full f22 combo

These are all of the characters I play.

 

[cR WoundCowboy]

Yep, I knew about this. You can make WC whiff and punish him with a full combo

 

[NRF CharlieMurphy]

Projectile characters pose no threat to grundy UsedForGlue

no but GL and Black Adam are retarded MU's

Because of safe OH.

 

[NRF CharlieMurphy]

you have to remember... these moves only have a few frames of throw immunity... and like I said before, once you see a string smack your armor... canceling typically means a full grundy combo.

 

[godlessmode]

Just FYI and this may not be the case for all of these, but every "ungrabbable" normal I have tested is treated as being in the air. This means that an air throw usually (maybe always) works on these moves.

 

[Rip Torn]

Full list of Shazam's WC unthrowables:

f2[2]
2[2]
f1[2] - if you time it so the second hit connect with the WC armor, you get a full f22 combo

These are all of the characters I play.

I know it's not a string but Atlas Torpedo is totally invincible to WC and if you do it early enough you can punish after going through the armor as well.

 

[Konqrr]

you have to remember... these moves only have a few frames of throw immunity... and like I said before, once you see a string smack your armor... canceling typically means a full grundy combo.

This is what scares me... I plan to test more with the strings I posted to see if they still beat or are safe against a WCC.

 

[Asodimazze]

Superman Unthrowable Frames (prepare to cry)


Normals:

1[1]1
1[12]
22[3]
f2[d1] on the d1 startup
f2[3]
b2[3]
b1 on startup

Specials:

HeatZap (few frames on startup)
Ground Laser (few frames on startup)
Ground Smash
Air Throw
Flying Punch
MB Super Breath
MB Flying Punch

you have to remember... these moves only have a few frames of throw immunity... and like I said before, once you see a string smack your armor... canceling typically means a full grundy combo.

Not really...because unfortunately many of the unthrowable strings are also special cancellable, and the special will likely hit Grundy before he can cancel WC into anything.

For example, Superman F23xxlowscoop always beats Grundy WCC into anything

 

[PND i2 Gaug3]

im going to start compiling these into the main post tomorrow Thanks for searching for this guys

 

[Asodimazze]

Bane Unthrowable Frames

Normals

11[2]
11[3]
B1[1]2
1[2]3
B2[1]
B2[3]
F2[D2]
F2[D3]

Specials

Body Press
Shoulder Charge
Venom Uppercut (even when his feet are on the ground)
Double punch, few frames on the first hit