Match-Up Discussion - Kung Lao Unfavorable matchups

[RoboCop]

I think Jax does well against him. 6-frame jab punishes all teleport attempts for around 30% midscreen. Blocked divekicks are punished for low 20s midscreen. I haven't fought any Lao specialists, but on paper I'd say it's at best 5/5 or 6/4 Jax.

 

[Big Pampering]

What laos have you guys been playing that does random divekicks and teleports?

 

[FOREVER EL1TE]

This isn't Mk9 kung lao. Teleports and divekicks aren't really that big of a part in his game anymore.

True, but she out damages him and punishes harder than him. He may have the better normal as in footsies and spacing but that's it

 

[Big Pampering]

True, but she out damages him and punishes harder than him. He may have the better normal as in footsies and spacing but that's it

If we are talking about buzzsaw then almost every character outdamages him in the game. He gets half his damage off of chip and b2/low hat stuff for continuous pressure. Buzzsaw is not a raw damage character.

 

[AK Stormthegates]

The more I watch and research the character the less bad matchups I see. The character build bar like a fiend has great range on all of his normals and does massive damage for free in tempest. He doesn't have a 50/50 but to be fair he if has a bar he eliminates like 90% of movement options on the screen so that more than makes up for it.

 

[Wildabeast]

From what I've seen Kung Lao seems like a solid though not OMG awesome character, he has a lot of ways to get in and great range on his normals but his mixups really don't lead to much. As far as I know he has no vortex or anything like that.

 

[kunglaogod]

Kung Lao is a horrible character until he gets a low starter like katana got or also gets to have a low start once again think of shinnok he was a horrible character now everyone thinks he is top tier because he got his overhead string for starting combos kung Lao isn't good till he gets a low starter done deal don't need to ask about match ups for kung lao

 

[Afro_physicist]

Kung Lao is a horrible character until he gets a low starter like katana got or also gets to have a low start once again think of shinnok he was a horrible character now everyone thinks he is top tier because he got his overhead string for starting combos kung Lao isn't good till he gets a low starter done deal don't need to ask about match ups for kung lao

Are you trolling? Can't tell...

 

[MK_Al]

Kung Lao is a horrible character until he gets a low starter like katana got or also gets to have a low start once again think of shinnok he was a horrible character now everyone thinks he is top tier because he got his overhead string for starting combos kung Lao isn't good till he gets a low starter done deal don't need to ask about match ups for kung lao

Honestly there are enough 50/50 chars already. If anything, I'd like to have a better backdash.

 

[xInfra Deadx]

Kung Lao is a horrible character until he gets a low starter like katana got or also gets to have a low start once again think of shinnok he was a horrible character now everyone thinks he is top tier because he got his overhead string for starting combos kung Lao isn't good till he gets a low starter done deal don't need to ask about match ups for kung lao

lmao

Shinnok hasn't moved up as high as most of you think.

 

[MadeOfMetal]

Kung Loco has no bad matchups tbh. His walk speed is good enough to get in on zoners like full auto and kitana, his normals have enough range (f2, b3) to be a constant threat when spaced right, his low hat is a good enough projectile by itself, his dive kick can beat out a lot of air attacks, and he has arguably the best wakeup in the game. You know what he cant beat? 50/50s. because no one can beat a 50/50.

i actually have a hard time getting in on full auto jacqui with Kung Lao Buzzsaw. but consistently beat JB fullauto with SZ any var, and Mileena Piercing.

with that said my bad MU's with KungLao Buzzsaw is:

Mileena, cassie cage, JBfa, Ermac, jax heavyweapons


if anyone has info as to how you beat these chars, it would be appreciated

 

[MadeOfMetal]

How's that? [Haven't played that MU yet]

ill play ya, friendly match, just add, hope there is no lag for the both of us

 

[Afro_physicist]

i actually have a hard time getting in on full auto jacqui with Kung Lao Buzzsaw. but consistently beat JB fullauto with SZ any var, and Mileena Piercing.

with that said my bad MU's with KungLao Buzzsaw is:

Mileena, cassie cage, JBfa, Ermac, jax heavyweapons


if anyone has info as to how you beat these chars, it would be appreciated

Full auto is, like pig of the hut said, overrated. A good full auto plays with a complicated pattern. There's not a lot of scenarios where you can't learn your opponents pattern and adapt to counter it. I.e. If she's zoning just duck and block for the ex

 

[A F0xy Grampa]

i actually have a hard time getting in on full auto jacqui with Kung Lao Buzzsaw. but consistently beat JB fullauto with SZ any var, and Mileena Piercing.

with that said my bad MU's with KungLao Buzzsaw is:

Mileena, cassie cage, JBfa, Ermac, jax heavyweapons


if anyone has info as to how you beat these chars, it would be appreciated

Duck machine gun, immediately throw low hat, Jacqui can't zone out buzzsaw.

 

[MadeOfMetal]

Duck machine gun, immediately throw low hat, Jacqui can't zone out buzzsaw.

ill try it, i have some lag but ill give it a try

 

[exflyingbooty]

Id say that he loses to kitana

I'll say the mu is 5-5
Kitana can really hurt him for a bad overhead and a bad low hat because she can get a 30% min off of her jab string
She'll force kung lao to play smart so you can't go yolo against her, i've beaten very strong kung lao's just waiting for a mistake which sadly your character is bound to make

fans are safe enough on whiff to basically avoid teleports and then again, guess who is getting jabbed for a 30%
So basically the matchup becomes more footsie based and waiting for the other character to make an error because kitana is unsafe on all her specials and lol at spin so she won't necessary want to start an offense unless it's like b+1,4 or f+334

 

[MadeOfMetal]

yeah Kitana~royal storm is definitely a med counter to him, #dat zone

 

[Jeremy vega]

I personally always have the most trouble against Mos Ermac. Kung Lao is a high risk high reward character with specials like spin and dive kick and when a good player is playing Ermac he's getting 30% meterless everytime he touches me which leave so little room for error. GM Sub is an annoying one too. The low hat fights the slide great but the clone in the corner is trouble when the sub knows you're going to EX Spin. I'm curious to know, does anyone think tempest is a better matchup for sub?

 

[MadeOfMetal]

I'm curious to know, does anyone think tempest is a better matchup for sub?

honestly i think Hat trick is better for SZ, to control his spacing and stop that slide, maybe tempest with the DB1 might stop slide but i have never tested in lab yet.

 

[MK_Al]

I personally always have the most trouble against Mos Ermac. Kung Lao is a high risk high reward character with specials like spin and dive kick and when a good player is playing Ermac he's getting 30% meterless everytime he touches me which leave so little room for error. GM Sub is an annoying one too. The low hat fights the slide great but the clone in the corner is trouble when the sub knows you're going to EX Spin. I'm curious to know, does anyone think tempest is a better matchup for sub?

I had my first offline ermac encounter yesterday and well...
I don't want to disappoint you but it's rather 40% meterless or about 30%-35% with vortex
It's a pain in the ass for Ermac can start from either overhead or low, once again 50/50 city. Also he has annoing pokes; 6f d1 (-10BA), 8f d3 with good range (-6BA). His normals seem to have good hitboxes as well; I noticed a lot of wheird trades.
I couldn't see anything particular good in this MU, but it felt like KL outranges him, making it hard for Ermac to get in.

@A F0xy Grampa any suggestions?

 

[Jeremy vega]

Yea I actually figured em out in the lab today. Once I got his strings down packed I started punishing them with

F23, Spin, ji2, B321, EX spin, njp, F14.
(34%)

Played a couple sets against good players online and won 3 - 0 everytime. This is with tempest variation btw.

 

[Byites]

As tempest i have not ran into a matchup that i think is bad so far. Unbreakable sub zero could be a problem or characters with good parrys

 

[Kung Lmao]

Guys how about Kano? I often lose vs him with Buzzsaw

 

[The PantyChrist]

What laos have you guys been playing that does random divekicks and teleports?

I do random spins and divekicks

honestly i think Hat trick is better for SZ, to control his spacing and stop that slide, maybe tempest with the DB1 might stop slide but i have never tested in lab yet.

slide low profiles hat spin

 

[MadeOfMetal]

slide low profiles hat spin

i figured that, but regardless out of the 3 i think he is best. i personally like tempest and buzz the most but ehh, when against a strong pick, why not differ