Phosferrax
Original Liu Kang cop.
Why shouldn't Kenshi get buffed instead Jacqui get nerfed?
Why shouldn't Kenshi get buffed instead Jacqui get nerfed?
Finally someone with some sense in this thread!
If you ask me, Kenshi deserves a couple of buffs all around while Jacqui's full auto machine gun deserves to be nerfed with at least a little added recovery (Or startup) to make up for the fact that it hits four times, has only 13f startup, and grants some pushback on block. I don't really know much about Kenshi truthfully other than what their community is crying about.
Every cloud 'as, 'ow do you say, a silver lining.
Fucking. Seriously.
Kung Jins F3 negates pretty much all armour too, should it be nerfed? Goros 3D3? I mean yes it breaks armour but obviously it's going to do that since it's a multihitting projectile. Changing the recovery frames isn't going to do anything to change that. Why would you armour from full screen anyway? As I said just duck and run cancel, then you're in and she has to play footsies just the same as anyone else. You've taken no damage and you're in her face, what's bad about that? I don't see your point...it doesn't need nerfed at all, it's fine.
No that's not the point. It breaking armour means nothing since you shouldn't be doing something stupid like trying to armour through a 4-hit move from full/half screen, and the pushback means nothing at all since it should be neutral crouched at all times and the only reason you should even think about blocking is when it's EXd. If you're attempting to armour through it or block it it's your own fault. If you gave it extra recovery it would make it worse because people would get half screen from ducking it once.
That's what you're not getting, they don't need to armour to get in because everyone can duck the bullets. There is no reason to waste your meter from full screen when you can get in easily without it. If you're not ducking and run cancelling/walking then it's your own fault, those options are there for every character and there's no reason not to use them.
Is it really the end of the world if full auto Jacqui hard counters grandmaster/unbreakable Sub's tools? God forbid a very strong character has a difficult matchup...
If they're saying sonya isn't good... they aren't playing her.
The problem is its an AMAZING tool for pressure and zoning. What Youphemism is asking is for the general populace to adapt by reading and running in to get in jacqui's face in a VERY tight window. If there is any lapse in the other player's input, then they are forced to eat a 30+ percent combo at minimum and then return to full screen to repeat the same cycle over again. No its not the end of the world if the startup or recovery for Jacqui isn't tweaked, but we already know how this worked out with Kenshi for MK9 for most of the cast.
How does Jacqui get 30%+ off the machine gun? Even if you mess up jumping the bullets, they normally don't all hit and you end up taking like 3%. If you are referring to her making a read and jumping in, running up, or using some advancing normal/special then that's up to you to block and punish, that's how mind games work and if she reads wrong, you are right in her face and can punish/start pressure/whatever. I don't have the frame data in front of me right now, but on whiff the window is not nearly as tight as you are saying.
Holy shit are you seriously trying to say Jacqui's gun isn't balanced? Cybernetic Kano's knives are better than her machine gun for one thing. If there wasn't an easy universal option then I might see your point about it not being balanced but there is one so the point is moot.
Yeah that -10 duckable gun is amazing for pressure...it's a good zoning tool though I'll give you that.
Incorrect. She can get 18%+ off of any grounded starter into ground rocket, and she can't link anything into up rocket never mind convert off of it unless you use a launching normal/string or it's EXd. Her launching overhead B2 doesn't link with up rocket unless it's EXd and you can't convert off of B2~ground rocket unless you're in the corner. Her grounded low B33 links with ground rocket but also doesn't link with up rocket unless it's EXd.
FTFY. My point was if you guess wrong, you can eat up to 30+% and return to your original position at the far edge of the screen, like kenshi from mk9. Get your semantics out of here, none of what you're saying convinces me of changing my opinion that her machine gun should be tweaked. I don't feel like talking about it further texting from my phone lol, I'd rather just hone the match up against her. I'm not trying to force you or anyone to align their views with my own. I just know based off my personal match up experience that she is a pain above most others in the cast just because of that move. Fair enough? Let's move on, lol.
But she doesn't get 30%+, she gets 18%+, so that wasn't "fixed". She might get 30 if she uses meter or starts with her super short range low but she doesn't get 30% every time. And at most you end up half screen, usually BF4 is used to end combos. But combo damage doesn't really matter since it's her machine gun we're talking about.
Mind you I was making a sweeping general statement. I didn't specifically say she could achieve that meterless or with 1 bar or otherwise. I just said she could. I know for a fact she can do around 34% off of b33 low rocket run~ 1212xx her jab combo (BF4?) without using any meter (Unless that changed since I last hit the lab with her last week). Whether she requires meter for her other combos or not was otherwise irrelevant.
Hey I hate it too, I much prefer playing footsies and being in on the opponent and putting the fight in fighting games, but I've just learned that it's going to happen whether I like it or not so I along with everyone else will just have to deal with it *shrugs* But lol at that guy. He's just an online casual playing against other online casuals who are just going to let him get away with that all the time and until everyone else levels up he's going to continue doing it and getting away with it unfortunately. If all he faced were high level players he'd be dead, he probably wouldn't even play instead of getting better lol.
