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THE OFFICIAL MK11 COMPLAINT/RANT THREAD

Poor KBs. You mean like the one KB where he can kill you from a little more than 50% health with completely UNBREAKABLE damage from an extremely easy-to-do combo? A combo that, once the whiffing issues are fixed, will be even more dependable per match? lol
Okay you are a Kang player, and you are talking about high damage KB really?
Are we going to get real discussion or this li be another biased and hated conversation, cause if yes im out.
Listen me now and read carefuly.
Liu Kang:
  • F4 KB, land on every single game, very easy to get
  • Bicycle Kick, land on every single game, very easy to get
  • 2KBS on his throw, super easy to get ready
  • Flying Dragon Kick full range or hit with air fireball and follows. The stupiest thing with this is, the hurtbox, you can hit some of the cast if they are standing and still land the KB ..... This one can vary, definitely not super easy to land. But the move alone is ridiculously strong, its very fast, its full screen, hard counter to a lot of zoners and their zoning tools, and you can hitconfirm everything with this move.
  • Parry - the same as above, but this one totally eliminates the wakeup options of you and make it usless, and the damage from it its unrea.
*D2 - universal
*FB - top 2 FB in the game.

Johnny Cage:
*Throwing shades - Firstly unlike Liu Kang 4724727 KBs, that are super easy to get, when you want, this one have plenty of requirements and nqh its actually not super easy. You need to be under 30% to land it, you need to waste your FB, and you actually needs skill to land it.
And dont die, you can do arround 40-41% unbreakable dmg. For 50% you need to be in the corner and jungle him.
*FB - one of the worst ING, your opponent has to be complete amateur to land it. Not much great option to land from kombo, unlike Kang.
*D2 - universal
So Johnny Cage has 1 useful KB, that needs strict requirements to be met, that compensate the lack of good FB, but not compensate the lack of good KBs.

How is that even fair to Johnny Cage? The comparison between the 2 character is just ridiculous.
Kang have 7 KBs, most of them land on will, insane FB, landing on will with zero to no scaling and 28326456 option how you want to land your FB.

Johnny Cage only KB act as a FB, because his one su****.

So yeah no matter how you looked Johnny Cage KBs at very leats su***.
 

M.D.

Spammer. Crouch walk hater.
Well, this is called presenting a case. Case being: Plenty of characters whiff/can't to optimal damage on female characters. Cage still has a plethora of options that make him a top tier character pick. Unbreakable 50% combos that allow him to save his FB for use later. Some of the best neutral buttons in the whole game. Pretty much infinite pressure when playing against a non-female hitbox. And, most recently and granted not fully explored due to it just being introduced, probably the very best zoning variation in the WHOLE game.

He's top tier. Get over it. Request denied.
Presenting a case:

You say it's ok Cage whiffs, because he has other options such as some of the best neutral buttons.
Guess what. It's THOSE neutral buttons that whiff.

You just contradicted yourself. You lose.

Kang trades, Kitana outzones outtake, watch ECT and see for yourself.

Agument invalid. You lose.

I feel like every Johnny Cage player has those horse blinders on when you tell them that having a KB combo that does FB combo damage is insane. When Jax does FB damage off his command throw KB? Everyone loses their minds.. "this is broke.. this is SO good of a tool for Jax."

When you compare the Cage KB combo to anyone else's FB and say it's the same that is completely intentionally downplaying and DISINGENUOUS. Cage KEEPS his FB after landing the KB combo. No one else gets to USE THEIR FATAL BLOW AGAIN. Same as Jax's... I really wish you guys would just admit that Cage has some fantastic options lmao. If we get anything out of this convo, just that.
Every Cage player just says he is not the only one who has it. You said it yourself, Jax has it too. So basically you're complaining that Cage has a tool that at least half the cast has, but you're bothered that Cage has it too.
Watch Brasil tournament to see some of the best unbreakable damage for a shit load of characters, that is on par with Cage.

Argument invalid. You lose.


Cage has the same tools like everyone else. The only difference is that those chars can do it on all the cast, as Cage can't do it on half.
Whiff = bug, it must be fixed. I win.


Also, what do you think about the 60% and 70% combos from the likes of Sonya, Kabal, that are breakable but you still eat them after doing a breakaway to not eat them in the first place (top tier players ate it, watch the insane comeback with sonya that instantly deleted 90% health).
But I guess those are ok, right? Since they're not from Cage.

Hypocrisy level >9000.
 
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Btw everybody says that Jhonny whiffs everything on females, but i'm a Cetrion player and still haven't seen anything whiffing on me. Does she have a male hitbox? Or am I missing something?
 

M.D.

Spammer. Crouch walk hater.
Btw everybody says that Jhonny whiffs everything on females, but i'm a Cetrion player and still haven't seen anything whiffing on me. Does she have a male hitbox? Or am I missing something?
Yes,fortunately Cetrion is considered male by the NRS animation team so that's why Cage is so good against her in Outtake, since he has all his tools and shuts down her zoning with his new projectiles.

But, if it makes you feel better, Raiden has a female hitbox to even it out.
 
Yes,fortunately Cetrion is considered male by the NRS animation team so that's why Cage is so good against her in Outtake, since he has all his tools and shuts down her zoning with his new projectiles.

But, if it makes you feel better, Raiden has a female hitbox to even it out.
More like unfortunately for me I guess
 
Half of the cast does not have half-health UNBREAKABLE KB combos, that don't make use of their FB. For the 80th time. If you guys downplayed Cage any harder he wouldn't even be in the game.
 
"Dragon, the best zoning MK player. In the whole world. Beat Outtake Johnny Cage in one match in a pro tournament and had to switch to Katana specifically to get it done. Outtake is literally trash, unplayable."
 

M.D.

Spammer. Crouch walk hater.
"Dragon, the best zoning MK player. In the whole world. Beat Outtake Johnny Cage in one match in a pro tournament and had to switch to Katana specifically to get it done. Outtake is literally trash, unplayable."
And he DESTROYED Cage with kitana. Problem? Do you see any imbalance here? Counterpicks happen all the time.

Half of the cast does not have half-health UNBREAKABLE KB combos, that don't make use of their FB. For the 80th time. If you guys downplayed Cage any harder he wouldn't even be in the game.
How many times do you need this explained. Here, i'll draw it in crayon:

Cage:
1KB combo + 2bars + mandatory 30%health = 50%
FB = 35% + mandatory 30%health (FOR BOTH COMBOS)

TOTAL: 85% unbreakable

Just an example, but I can do this for the whole cast
Kabal:

db4KB + FB combo + mandatory 30%health = 50%
Throw KB: 31% anytime he wants
b12d2KB 21% unbreakable + extra anytime he wants

Total: 102% unbreakable with no conditions

Do you want me to start for Geras? Kang? Believe me you don't want to go there lol.
Get the picture?


You're literally complaining about unbreakable damage that EVERYONE HAS, but you blabber off only about Cage.
That's what's annoying about you Cage upplayers, you literally complain about COMMON TOOLS and make it look like only cage has them.
 
With no conditions lol. Ok. You can't tech throws? Only one direction KBs... Landing a 16 frame punish with Kabal into FB (because you just happen to be saving it for just this moment) happens way more often than... Literally any ANY stray hit into a 50% unbreakable FB cancel combo from Johnny, right?
If you're just going to never admit any of Cage's strengths then I've got no interest in continuing this conversation. Peace.
 

M.D.

Spammer. Crouch walk hater.
HAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHA

Tech trows? Have you watched the pro tours? Everyone gets hit by throw KB NON STOP.
That KB from db4 is also from a COUNTER which you get non stop from whiff punishing.

Kabal was just an example, how about Liu Kang that gets his unbreakable KB combo and FB combo from a 9 frame mid and 11 frame mid?

Please, you're just embarasing yourself at this point. L2p much?

I am admiting Cage strenghts, and i am also admiting everyone else has the same strengths, so your claims that Cage is op or needs nerfs can go suck a doorknob.
Keep bullshiting about Cage, everyone here is already clear on the fact you have no ideea what you are talking about.
 
He downplays so hard that he thinks someone telling him that Cage has good tools is saying that they want him to be nerfed and is OP. lmfao
Nothing about this conversation has changed my mind about Cage being top tier at all.
 

M.D.

Spammer. Crouch walk hater.
That's peculiar, I don't recall a single post of mine saying he's low tier.

The problem is being top tier with the rest of the top tiers is not enough for some as twitter is full with nerf requests and Cage is broken claims.

And also while he's top tier when he works, against twelve female hitboxes it decreases significantly. Everyone is dismissing this like it's nothing while he actually loses half his toolset.

Cage. Top tier at 100%. Same top tier at 50%. Logic at 0%.
 
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With no conditions lol. Ok. You can't tech throws? Only one direction KBs... Landing a 16 frame punish with Kabal into FB (because you just happen to be saving it for just this moment) happens way more often than... Literally any ANY stray hit into a 50% unbreakable FB cancel combo from Johnny, right?
If you're just going to never admit any of Cage's strengths then I've got no interest in continuing this conversation. Peace.
Go on and show me this 50% unbreakable of Johnny in competitive gameplay and people that are doing it constantly. Most of the times SonicFox was doing arround 39-40% unbreakable and then you can breakaway.
 
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To be honest I consider to drop that piece of shi....

Game is awful. Why?

1. FB moves are totally unfair. You can get attack which can take 320.00 of health, has armor, sometimes its very hard to react. In my opinion FB should eat all bars to be activated. I lost almost 90% of my fights coz somebody used this as a panic button. I had advantage but FB finished me off.

2. Bars menagment is trash. Why they changed MK9 and MKX mechanics ??!!!

3. KL is shit. I didnt play KL for few days. I stuck in master rank. When I started to play I got two ranks in 2,5 H coz for every fight I got over 150 pts. My idea for poins:

  • for every win fight you will get 25 pts, for every lose - 25 pts
  • if you will win more fights you will get multiplier
  • Higher streak = bigger multiplier
  • max will be x4 or x 5
  • If you will lose fight then your multiplier will reset
So: you win 3 fights in the row you will get points x2, 5 fights x 3, 8 fights x 4, 10 fights x 5 (max)

  1. 50% of variations are so weak so nobody use them
  2. Where are dash blocks ??!!!!!
  3. I have strange feeling that every character missing something....
  4. Character without good mid attacks are trash. If you dont good mid then you are fu.....ed
  5. Pokes should have priority over throws
  6. throws take too much damage - 2 throws = good combo !!!
 
The only thing he could show me is this combo:
But this is with easy KB ON and its a 2 KB, and there is like literally zero chance to get camera KB set in a competitive game.
Sonic has done 35-40% on TS KB at best.

This is the options you have:

And obviously the damage is a lot less, than of what he is talking about.
 

appo

º°˜¨EU¨˜°º
the combat league is really something which turns out to be actually something which hurts the game.
you could find with ease people in casual- comp mode but since the seasons are going is harder and harder to find people there.

playing combat league with the shit show of 150 ping cap+wifi being allowed and no region filter which of course turns out be then even worse than that which doesnt matter because 150 is to high anyway. its so fucking infuriating seeing people there flowchart like fucking retards all day because hey, its laggy as fuck and you cant punish it so letse goo...

i have to ckeck lobbies out or king of the hill to see if its better because as of know it slowly start to become pointless to practice/play when you barely get any good matches. that nr is still to (soap bar in my mouth) to implement a simple fucking filter for you to set up prior search...maybe in mk15
 

Legion DC

"Another weakling..."
MK 11 is ok. However,
on PC version, there's too many players desynchronizing the matches when they're getting ready to lose.
I dont know if they're holding a lag switch button or simply closing the MK 11 app.
It's a shame. PC isn't fun at all
 

appo

º°˜¨EU¨˜°º
MK 11 is ok. However,
on PC version, there's too many players desynchronizing the matches when they're getting ready to lose.
I dont know if they're holding a lag switch button or simply closing the MK 11 app.
It's a shame. PC isn't fun at all
on pc too and cant confirm but i am not that deep into the shit league anyway. does it just happen there?
 

Legion DC

"Another weakling..."
on pc too and cant confirm but i am not that deep into the shit league anyway. does it just happen there?
yes, on PC MK 11, the only mode thats popping is KL.
You may find some non- kompetitive Koth, and 1v1 matches.
No one is playing kompetitive except KL.
Also, the rooms arent occupied either. the most players that will dwell in rooms all together is 4 people.
it's dead. thats at night i dont know about the day time
 
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