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DanCock

Cock Master!!
Ive played forever king and b wizz a lot and im raiden not being S tier on our games. They play him exactly how he is meant and still I dont see S tier. Either that or CSZ is a bad MU for raiden
are you not aware of how good a player you are? or are you just being cute??
 

Pig Of The Hut

Day 0 Phenomenal Dr. Fate and Darkseid player
are you not aware of how good a player you are? or are you just being cute??
Hmm idK how to respond. Honestly I view myself as average truthfully for number of reasons.

But as far as the topic, I just think raiden is over rated a little and isn't s tier. I view kabal, cyrax and kitana as only s tier
 

NRF CharlieMurphy

Kindergarten Meta
Hmm idK how to respond. Honestly I view myself as average truthfully for number of reasons.

But as far as the topic, I just think raiden is over rated a little and isn't s tier. I view kabal, cyrax and kitana as only s tier
You make sense on CSZ having tools to make him seem like a bad MU. I agreed with most of what you said, mainly about his strings. But, and I may be off... I'd never use those strings unless they were guaranteed. If I was trying to open up CSZ i'd use f2,4. Raiden can make you hesitate, because if he catches a string by teleporting... he is gonna hurt you somehow. CSZ can't parry his superman either... and he can cancel his interruptible strings with teleport at any time.... making you think about if you want to parry.
Again I may be way off base here. But that seems like sound mind game logic on both parts.
 

B W1zZ

Warrior
Dude you live in atlanta??? Where have you been?

I think raiden has a bad MU with CSZ.

Dive kick punishes turtlers
3 of his main strings you can d3 out of (with a lot of characters)
parry and ex parry works between hits 1+2 and 2+3 of 3 of his strings (ex parry during a string leads to 35% no meter punish)
close dive kick on reaction tracks to teleports.
if raiden cancels to shocker parry lowers hitbox to where it whiffs and then recovers as fast as raiden does off shocker
blocked/baited superman = 40% no meter punish
close bomb then dash forward keeps teleports in check

I would like forever king and b wizz to chime in on all this. I think CSZ can really hold raiden in check




Ive played forever king and b wizz a lot and im raiden not being S tier on our games. They play him exactly how he is meant and still I dont see S tier. Either that or CSZ is a bad MU for raiden
Our only real matches were online in a lot of lag, so it's kind of hard to determine the matchup based on that. I feel this is a solid 5-5 match since both characters have all of the tools to fight each other. Raiden in my opinion is S-tier because he only really has 1 bad matchup, which is Sonya, and that's mainly because of dive kick. CSZ has a dive kick BUT it doesn't lead into a 40% combo + reset like Sonya's does. Raiden has a lot of 5-5 matchups or near even ones but almost no really bad ones.

Parry interrupts B312, 334, and I think F23 1+2? I haven't tested the last string but im thinking it's only the last hit that's interruptible, which isn't used much anyways. I'm thinking if Raiden reads an ice parry interrupt he could do an :en shocker and it should hit and not whiff...since CSZ is recovering from the parry animation while a delayed shocker is coming out. Also vicinity blast will beat out parry (the best option by far imo for countering parry interrupt), and the :en version gives a free superman on hit. :x and superman work as parry punishers as well. I'm also thinking it's probably more difficult to poke out of the string than it is to interrupt it with a parry or armored move (you have to hit the window near perfect). A blocked divekick can be punished by a fast reaction superman or string if recovering at the right distance, not to mention theres also the threat of regular and :en vicinity blasts being thrown on the screen if trying to dive kick/mount an aerial assualt.

Instead of using B312 and 334, or any of his interruptible strings, he can opt to use 121,1212,F24,F23,22 shenanigans instead..not to mention all of the different mixups into specials he can do off of these strings.

CSZ is generally weak to heavy zoning, and Raiden has some solid zoning/defensive options.

I can't see this matchup being any more or less than a solid 5-5.
 

xenogorgeous

.... they mostly come at night. Mostly.
Hum, IDK .......... I main Mileena and Skarlet, and I see Mileena having hard time with Kung Lao and Raiden, and I see Skarlet not so bad, I mean, she can do well against characters without teleport ...........
 

Blackula

I SEE EVERYTHING!
I know a few pages back that there was talk about the Kenshi / Mileena matchup. I don't think this match is in Kenshi's favor nor do I think it's even. This match is clearly in Mileena's favor.

As Kenshi, I cannot really zone Mileena without fear of getting hit with a teleport kick. And even if I knock her full screen with a spirit charge, I can't really do a TK slash for wakeup because she'll just teleport to escape it. Now she's back on the inside. She gets in way too easily on Kenshi which can mean a dead Kenshi if he isn't able to deal with the up close pressure from her. And then when she's up close, now I have to be worrying about her d+4, u+4, b+1,4, etc. It's really hard to maintain a good distance from her.
 

M2Dave

Zoning Master
I think REO and Tom may have started a new project, a new way to present the tier list. I will contact REO once my internet comes back up, and I will fill you guys in.
 

M2Dave

Zoning Master
A F0xy Grampa said:
Looks like Jax is goin down. Courtesy of eurotrash.

D-Tier
High level American players already know about Jax's f+4 weaknesses vs low hitbox characters. I am sorry, but some of you guys are slow. I have talked about Jax's f+4 many times before, even in this thread.

One of the reasons why this community is not progressing is because no one listens to good players any more. When I, among others, claimed that Kabal's iaGBs destroy many characters, some people were saying that no player could execute iaGBs very low to the ground consistently. Once REO won Devastation with Kabal, the same people were screaming "NERF THAT SHIT".
 

A F0xy Grampa

Problem X Promotions
High level American players already know about Jax's f+4 weaknesses vs low hitbox characters. I am sorry, but some of you guys are slow. I have talked about Jax's f+4 many times before, even in this thread.

One of the reasons why this community is not progressing is because no one listens to good players any more. When I, among others, claimed that Kabal's iaGBs destroy many characters, some people were saying that no player could execute iaGBs very low to the ground consistently. Once REO won Devastation with Kabal, the same people were screaming "NERF THAT SHIT".
Ok then find me footage of a Jax player being full combo punished for doing a string. EVERYBODY that plays this game knows he can be poked out, but not everybody was combo punishing him were they? Stop bringing up EU vs USA because I'm not talking about that stupid shitty arguement that you for some reason love. We'll deal with that when the time comes.

If you knew this already there is no reason for Jax to be A tier. Or maybe he has some mad shit involving his other punishable strings yeh?
 

DanCock

Cock Master!!
I love European men :p they are hot and sexy :) and I fucking love big brother UK Aaron is the man :)

Ok back on topic sindel still sucks but she owns!! :confused: :sindel::sindel:


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M2Dave

Zoning Master
A F0xy Grampa said:
Ok then find me footage of a Jax player being full combo punished for doing a string. EVERYBODY that plays this game knows he can be poked out, but not everybody was combo punishing him were they? Stop bringing up EU vs USA because I'm not talking about that stupid shitty arguement that you for some reason love. We'll deal with that when the time comes.

If you knew this already there is no reason for Jax to be A tier. Or maybe he has some mad shit involving his other punishable strings yeh?
People know, but they have not begun taking advantage of these weaknesses yet. Once they do, Jax will be moved down. The tier list is not just based on theory. It is also based on practice. When American or European high level players begin whiff punishing Jax's f+4 string consistently, Jax will not win and thus will be in a lower tier.

Personally, I have never claimed that Jax is an S tier character. I have already known about these f+4 shenanigans for a while now. My main character, however, cannot even take advantage of them because he has a high hitbox.
 

M2Dave

Zoning Master
Ruuku1012 said:
After all this talk about how one dimensional you three say Ermac is. Seriously though, since these are the two you've removed from disadvantageous, what changed in the Kitana and J. Cage match-ups?
If I recall correctly, REO talked to CD and he insisted on 5:5.

As far as Cage goes, I have no idea why he is not on Ermac's bad match up list. I will have to re-add him unless you want to make a legitimate case for how Ermac can zone Cage.
 

Ruuku1012

Real Talker
If I recall correctly, REO talked to CD and he insisted on 5:5.

As far as Cage goes, I have no idea why he is not on Ermac's bad match up list. I will have to re-add him unless you want to make a legitimate case for how Ermac can zone Cage.
No man, I've said it before that I won't be expressing my opinion on any match-ups in this thread anymore. It has been stated before by one of this list's creators that one should attend major tournaments to prove their claims. Since I have not fulfilled that requirement it's safe to assume that anything I would say would only be considered theory regardless of any non-major tournament match-up experience I may have.

I was only posting to understand your decision of the sudden change. And from what I understand, your telling me that the change in numbers came from a single person insisting on the match-up being even?
 

M2Dave

Zoning Master
Ruuku1012 said:
No man, I've said it before that I won't be expressing my opinion on any match-ups in this thread anymore. It has been stated before by one of this list's creators that one should attend major tournaments to prove their claims. Since I have not fulfilled that requirement it's safe to assume that anything I would say would only be considered theory regardless of any non-major tournament match-up experience I may have.

I was only posting to understand your decision of the sudden change. And from what I understand, your telling me that the change in numbers came from a single person insisting on the match-up being even?
Konqrr has also stated that the Ermac match up is even.

As far as I am concerned, everyone is welcome to post his or her opinions on match ups in this thread. If people question your assertions, though, be ready to back them up.
 
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