The Death of Zoning in Injustice: GAU

[Relaxedstate]

People seem to forget that Kabal and Kenshi had zoning tools that only like a couple characters had tools to deal with. On top of this, they had solid enough offense to combat said characters that could handle this. That is why they were the top 2 characters in the game. They weren't pure zoners to begin with, anyway, not like Freddy, Cyborg, and Sinestro are. Freddy could survive because, like Kabal and Kenshi, he had zoning most of the cast couldn't handle. Was he top 5, though? With the other characters in MK9, that's easily arguable he wasn't.

If anything, zoning is still very good, and arguably at the same level, if not better, when you consider that there are also system mechanics aiding zoners as well. MK9 didn't have that...why do you think only 1 pure zoning character was actually competitive?

Yeah I agree. Whether Freddy is top 5 might be forever unknown lol. Only Dave really used him. It was also heatedly debated whether Freddy was a pure zoner as well. Dave didn't believe in rush-down Freddy even though there were some tools available. I agree with what made Kabal and Kenshi great was the fact that they had zoning that could abolish at least half the cast with that alone. Then they also had great tools to deal with up-close (especially Kabal) to take care of the rest.

I think the number one core mechanic in this game that still gives zoners any chance is that dashing cannot be canceled. A big problem against Cyborg since you cant dash block is IANB either. A part of me really just thinks that people are still not used to the movement in this game. It is possible to get in, and get in relatively untouched (maybe 6-12%). A character like scorpion gets in free with MB tele. Once a character/player knows how to bypass the zoning and get in the imbalance becomes pretty clear. I don't want a game where any one character is 100% zoning, but it would be nice if they gave the zoners some synergistic qualities to give them a balanced play-style. But more so, just give us one zoner who is clearly top 5 the way Superman, or Black Adam are top to appease the persons who like to play zoning style characters.

Zoners have and will always continue to get a bad rap against the casual community. It is just no fun to get spammed to death

 

[jaym7018]

Oh, I am the worst Batgirl! All I do is strings into cartwheel. I don't have any other mind games or any other mixups or ways to do damage. Everyone just d1's me and I am just so sad!

Im glad you came to your senses. Will you be at CEO? Perhaps i can show you how to play her.

 

[Derpin Errday]

RIP in reese's pieces m2dave

 

[RiBBz22]

Im glad you came to your senses. Will you be at CEO? Perhaps i can show you how to play her.

No I was at UFGT which you could have came to so I could have shown you!

 

[Under_The_Mayo]

Green Arrow is not a zoner dude lol cmon now. He is a pressure/mixup character.

I don't think anyone is going to be happy until a character wins a tournament with sole projectile use.

 

[RiBBz22]

I don't think anyone is going to be happy until a character wins a tournament with sole projectile use.

They should buff his arrows to be like the arrow attack in the Ares super move.

 

[jaym7018]

They should buff his arrows to be like the arrow attack in the Ares super move.

He needs it. Do it for the zoners.

 

[GNG Iniquity]

m2dave You stuck around for the overly shitty 3D MK games, didn't you? I'm not saying that MK9 nor IGAU are good fighting games but they're much less shit than the 3D era was. At some point, you're just going to have to call it quits with Midway/NRS, move onto something that'll have some longevity, and isn't developed by amateurs.

Wash your hands of it and walk away. It's not going to get better any time soon. I don't understand how people spend money to travel across the country and involve themselves in the additional drama outside of TYM where there's very little in terms of winning money and to get shit on by the rest of the FGC because the games have a finite shelf life. They're games meant to be played in your living room until the next of the series comes out.

 

[LanceMonsoon]

I don't really care about zoning lol, but I do agree with m2dave Having to get used to new patches every 2 weeks is becoming annoying. I know NRS is supporting the game with DLC and blah blah blah but they need to cool it with the patches a little.

 

[jaym7018]

m2dave You stuck around for the overly shitty 3D MK games, didn't you? I'm not saying that MK9 nor IGAU are good fighting games but they're much less shit than the 3D era was. At some point, you're just going to have to call it quits with Midway/NRS, move onto something that'll have some longevity, and isn't developed by amateurs.

Wash your hands of it and walk away. It's not going to get better any time soon.

Lol he cant do that. He doesnt have the execution to play morridoom (or else he woulda been cyborg) and street fighter there isnt a character that wins with pure projectiles. He doesnt seem content unless he can win all match ups with nothing but projectiles he probably needs to quit fighting games.

 

[GNG Iniquity]

Noone should ever win solely by zoning

Deathstroke was essentially Ryu but everyone seemed to have a problem with that. Kano was essentially Guile and yet again...everybody had a problem with that. Casuals will continue to piss, bitch, and moan. How anybody takes these games seriously is beyond me.

 

[GNG Iniquity]

and street fighter there isnt a character that wins with pure projectiles. He doesnt seem content unless he can win all match ups with nothing but projectiles he probably needs to quit fighting games.

Have you not played Street Fighter nor watched any footage? Hados are a completely legitimate strategy with Ryu. You advance on Ryu and you may get DPed. In the event that you're DPed he can FADC you into an ultra 1. Deathstroke was the game's Ryu and the casuals had to piss and moan until that was no longer a possibility.

For whatever odd reason, vortexes and 50/50s are fine, but people piss and moan about those just as much. NRS just chooses not to adjust those. Hell, look at Grundy, a 2 year old can play Grundy. 1 button armored command grabs are a colossal joke but nobody bitches about that when you compare it to the amount people have bitched about zoning in the game.

 

[jaym7018]

I don't really care about zoning lol, but I do agree with m2dave Having to get used to new patches every 2 weeks is becoming annoying. I know NRS is supporting the game with DLC and blah blah blah but they need to cool it with the patches a little.

Are there patches that im missing. There has been very little in either of these 2 patches. Very little has changed for anyone but deathstroke.

 

[jaym7018]

Deathstroke was essentially Ryu but everyone seemed to have a problem with that. Kano was essentially Guile and yet again...everybody had a problem with that. Casuals will continue to piss, bitch, and moan. How anybody takes these games seriously is beyond me.

None of this is correct. Im not even gonna bother responding. And lol at calling Dave casual, i agree with you there.

 

[GNG Iniquity]

None of this is correct. Im not even gonna bother responding. And lol at calling Dave casual, i agree with you there.

I'm not calling Dave a casual. I actually agree with him that the game is shit. I've been saying that the game is shit for a long time now. I'm just simply stating that these games made by Boon and Co are going to continually be shit and I have no idea why people can't merely accept this.

Everyone here takes it as a personal attack. "No, bro, this is my game! How dare you insult my game that keeps me up all night while I rage at my TV over the shitty netcode and the shitty game!"

 

[MagicMan357]

None of this is correct. Im not even gonna bother responding. And lol at calling Dave casual, i agree with you there.

Actully kano was guile, who is my fav besides charlie. As for Ryu and deathstroke, i dunno how. M2dave isnt a casual at all he just bitches all the time when he cant get free wins.

 

[jaym7018]

Have you not played Street Fighter nor watched any footage? Hados are a completely legitimate strategy with Ryu. You advance on Ryu and you may get DPed. In the event that you're DPed he can FADC you into an ultra 1. Deathstroke was the game's Ryu and the casuals had to piss and moan until that was no longer a possibility.

For whatever odd reason, vortexes and 50/50s are fine, but people piss and moan about those just as much. NRS just chooses not to adjust those. Hell, look at Grundy, a 2 year old can play Grundy. 1 button armored command grabs are a colossal joke but nobody bitches about that when you compare it to the amount people have bitched about zoning in the game.

Deathstroke is nothing like ryu for you to say that is pure ignorance.

 

[MagicMan357]

I'm not calling Dave a casual. I actually agree with him that the game is shit. I've been saying that the game is shit for a long time now. I'm just simply stating that these games made by Boon and Co are going to continually be shit and I have no idea why people can't merely accept this.

I can accept them being "shit" as long as theyre fun. Look at MK9 lol what a beautiful mess.

 

[jaym7018]

Actully kano was guile, who is my fav besides charlie. As for Ryu and deathstroke, i dunno how. M2dave isnt a casual at all he just bitches all the time when he cant get free wins.

Sounds like a casual to me. Bitching cause he cant get free wins, does it get more casual? I guess maybe if he wore board shorts and a tank top while he did it.

 

[GNG Iniquity]

Deathstroke is nothing like ryu for you to say that is pure ignorance.

A strong zoner with a good AA? Damn, how could I make that comparison! You're right, Deathstroke is a lot more similar to Zangief.

Actually, Deathstroke may be a bit more similar to Sagat, but Sagat is also a strong zoner with a good AA.

 

[JavierDavila]

Its not about power. its about your disgusting attitude. I'll moderate you & the rest of this forum as I see fit. If YOU don't like it, there's the door. Don't go into threads & start posting off topic bullshit. Don't go into threads just to troll a user. And for good measure, maybe you should check out our forum rules, since it seems like you got a problem with authority: http://www.testyourmight.com/threads/the-tym-community-rules-rv1-1-updated-5-27-13.26900/

"If you don't like it, there is the door" Talk about a disgusting attitude ...

 

[jaym7018]

A strong zoner with a good AA? Damn, how could I make that comparison! You're right, Deathstroke is a lot more similar to Zangief.

Actually, Deathstroke may be a bit more similar to Sagat, but Sagat is also a strong zoner with a good AA.

Those low shot hadoukens those air hadoukens those overhead hadoukens those anti air hadoukens.

 

[GNG Iniquity]

I can accept them being "shit" as long as theyre fun. Look at MK9 lol what a beautiful mess.

And there's nothing wrong with that! I'm just saying that everybody gets beyond bent out of shape over these games. They're not overly in depth, well designed, or going to be relevant for very long. If you're having fun playing them then by all means...play them! If not, don't play them, and move onto a game that actually has a strong competitive following.

 

[MagicMan357]

Sounds like a casual to me. Bitching cause he cant get free wins, does it get more casual? I guess maybe if he wore board shorts and a tank top while he did it.

LOL he's a FGC vet is what i mean

 

[MagicMan357]

And there's nothing wrong with that! I'm just saying that everybody gets beyond bent out of shape over these games. They're not overly in depth, well designed, or going to be relevant for very long. If you're having fun playing them then by all means...play them! If not, don't play them, and move onto a game that actually has a strong competitive following.

Whats hilarious is that they can EASILY make a solid fighter to be taken serious. MK9 for example couldve actually been the best fighter to date but NRS constantly makes the worse choices. Dash nerfs? Kano nerfed to shit? Braindead kenshi? Its like they have no order at the HQ.