Nereus
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He.... had that in MK9.
He.... had that in MK9.
Please....you can't compare mk9 scorpion to mkx one.
But.. he had that in MK9. And he wasn't really that good in MK9. That's my point. It isn't just the meterless reset that makes this version really good.. and i doubt his meterless vortex is being nerfed. No reason to do so at all IMO
It's the fact that he doesn't even need to use meter to get like 40 percent damage to then lead into another vortex that is disgusting. Also the fact that he can check you at full screen to full combo you into a vortex is dumb. If he was at least forced to use meter to get his shenanigans going then I could deal with that. It's just annoying that you open one of these guys up and they already got meter to break anyways.
If you're getting blown up by full-screen Low Demon, that's your problem.... That's like not jumping Hellfire in INJ... Except this you can block...
It's not the fact that I'm getting blown up by full screen low demon's its the fact that he has it in general and can threaten with it. There's really no reason that it shouldn't cost meter for him to have it hold you in place. Grundy's did, no reason scorpion's shouldn't. Especially when scorpion can threaten with a whole bunch of other things. Grandmaster subzero got nerfed, I guarantee you there is gonna be some changes to scorpion cuz he's braindead easy with vortex.
It's only a threat if you're actually threatened by it. It only tracks well if you burn a bar, so running is an option when it's a 26f start-up... You can actually react to that. And the vortex is unsafe as fuck without a bar, so he take a big risk going for it. And is still -5 when it's safe.... So, there's a legit risk-reward to him. Which is far from braindead... Sorry you have to guess 50/50 in a game loaded with guessing 50/50....
No offense but if you are playing War God...he is also brain dead easy with 50/50's that you can't even fuzzy block. I practiced in lag against an opponent and managed to block every single low and overhead demon projectile from scorpion. It's not difficult at all. Tone down the salt levels man. He can threaten with it? So what? It's a 28 frame start up projectile that's super negative.
Can't block 50/50 from "brain dead" kotal kahn but can definitely block all of scorpions stuff...in lag no less. Now I know you are full of shit kid. You scorpion mains are so full of it. I don't see any threads about kotal kahn needing to be hit with the nerf stick. But I've definitely seen them for Scorpion, Kung Jin, Erron Black, Sub-Zero....If you think he's gonna get away unscathed then you're fooling yourself.
current kung jin problems: no safe pressure
current d'vorah problems: walkspeed is bad
current cassie cage problems: b124 can be armored, no anti air
current quan chi problems: still cant wake up wtf
Lots of bills in these posts
That is not how AA in MKX works due the float system and the really short active frames normals have in this game, just sthap
Well kid, not only can I block Scorpion, I can block Kung Jin, and Erron Black as well. Only one I have trouble with is Sub-Zero to be honest. Oh and Sonya. Scorpion's main overhead is 25 frame start up, both his overhead and low demon have 29 and 28 frame start up, so I can block both easily especially with how distinct the overhead actually is. Oh and just for you...Just thought I'd show you how negative them op demon hands are. Scorpion isn't even a fast punisher either that combo starter is 10 frame start up. Oh and I had to use meter to break 40% by the way.
Ninjutsu isin't good
I think people want to address characters who are not good, and don't have a single variation that is good. At least that is my take. Well before tackling characters who have good variations, even if not all are good.
In this thread, i've been mostly talking about ninjutsu, everyone came here to justify themselves with hellfire and inferno.
Correction B1 is a 11 frame mid. lol but to be honest I did some testing with B12, it will blow up cross up punches free. So there is that, it's also good at whiff punishing air normals before the opponent hits the ground. I know people are justifying it with Hellfire and Inferno, but I'd prefer it greatly if characters that sucked like Kitana for instance could be made viable in just one variation. I'm not sure I understand variation loyalty to be honest. I understand character loyalty though. I'm also not saying for Ninjitsu to never be addressed. But later! somewhere down the line. I really think that variation is match up dependent as well.
Having a mid is a big deal. Remember mk9 kunglao
yeah but some characters dont have a single good variation, so they are the ones that need help right now
His d4 is pretty special. Faster or as fast as a lot of the casts d1, low profile, great range. It's not the absolute best range but it's still really good. Top tier d4 imo.
As stated on the first page of this topic, i didn't said lets prioritize scorpion, i just pointed what i believe to be his issues.
The problem is not getting characters out of the air, i'm having no problems dealing with jump ins in this game, the problem is hitting low profile moves, he can't do that.
Kung Lao had a 6f mid hitting special with over 60 active frames, no one would dare to low profile KL in MK9 without fearing the spin
What low profile moves are you having trouble with? Scorpion's D3, D4, and F2 are so good that almost no one attempts to low profile him at all at least from my experience in over 1000's of games. The few who did quickly stopped after I peppered them with B121 a couple of times.
I edited this response since I posted it earlier this morning.
I don't understand what this has to do with what I was saying. Other characters all types of shit, we're talking about Scorpion
It's hard to find a reason to retreat teleport in hellfire outside of wakeup but his other 2 variations don't have fireball cancels. You completely ignored that part of my post.
At this point in the games life he is a very strong character. I agree he's being knocked down a bit by some of the shit being found in the game.