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Soul Calibur 6: THE SOUL STILL BURNS!

Eldagrin

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For anyone who plays Raphael out there, I just realized Yoshi's CE has enough recovery after you AE that you have time to 46B or 214B for a significantly bigger punish:
46B > 66B+K > AG K:K > 44B punish

214:B > 214:B punish

214:B > CE punish


You can also punish Yoshi's A A A+B with Raphael's AE for massive damage:


If you AE the 4th hit of A A A+B (the break attack hit) you just get AE B into iprep 6B for 42 damage (still a waste of meter for Yoshi).
 

Eldagrin

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So, are you guys more excited for Amy on the 26th or the balance patch that is very likely to accompany her? I’m pretty hype for both.
 

DarksydeDash

Try-hard Fighting Game Weeb
speaking of Amy, there is going to be a stream to breakdown her gameplay, similar to what they did for 2B.

Also she gets her SCIV outfit as customization parts.
 

Eldagrin

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You know, I can honestly hope MK11 is as balanced as SC6 is now. It doesn’t feel like there is any character with no options and they all feel pretty viable, even if some are better than others.
 

JBeezYBabY

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You know, I can honestly hope MK11 is as balanced as SC6 is now. It doesn’t feel like there is any character with no options and they all feel pretty viable, even if some are better than others.
So many feelings ever since the Stress Test. It made me appreciate the netcode of MK sooooo much more then come back to SC's shitty online features make me cringe to my damn seat! It just baffles me that we're this far in gaming development and BASIC things are not completed which makes me think if im gonna even be playing this game after this season is done? Honestly not sure. The game is awesome but i DESPISE when a developer dont give much love to it as the consumers do.

But anyways....once MK11 is out, i probably wont be playing this game as much. But i think i may just try a new character. Think i plateaued with Mina and grinding with her in the D ranks have been VERY frustrating. Raphael will be my next person I learn :)
 

SaSSolino

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You know, I can honestly hope MK11 is as balanced as SC6 is now. It doesn’t feel like there is any character with no options and they all feel pretty viable, even if some are better than others.
Eh, I don't know. The game is mostly balanced, but there are a couple of characters that stretch the gap of the tier list on way or the other a little too wide.
 

TrulyAmiracle

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Kilik is the first that comes to mind, he's the best character in the game by far.
................... wat
I'm curious to why you think that. He's not even in the top 10 as far as I'm aware.
Yoshi, Mina, Ivy, Nightmare, Asta, 2B, Azwel, Maxi are all better imo.
 

SaSSolino

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................... wat
I'm curious to why you think that. He's not even in the top 10 as far as I'm aware.
Yoshi, Mina, Ivy, Nightmare, Asta, 2B, Azwel, Maxi are all better imo.
Dude 2B and Azwel are legit low tiers, the others you mentioned are good though, but not as good as Kilik.

Regarding Kilik I made a post about him some time ago:
Kilik is too fast and too safe for his range. He starts doing his safe stuff and then can direspect his own frames because:
- his 22/88B is Godlike: it's a safe-ish tech-crouching launcher than leads into huge damage + oki setup.
- his WR buttons are maybe the best in the game.
- GIs have a huge active window of 12 frames, because of that if you try to take your turn with anything that's faster than 18 frames you'll be on the receiving end of his insane post-GI game. And if you do anything slower he can just press more buttons, because again: he's so fast.

In other words he can mix you up when he's in a slight frame disadvantage, meaning after all of his strings. Now you might say "other characters have a similar strenght, have you seen Sophitia's 22/88BAK?", and to that I'd reply: yeah, but Sophitia doesn't have Kilik's range so she actually needs to get in first, doesn't have as many safe strings, has some actually very bad match ups (like Yoshimitsu) and is unsafe when she tries to steal a turn... and I still have her as an high tier.

Besides that he also has the best ring outs in the game and the best soul charge in the game (arguably second to Groh). His wakeup unblockable also is pretty Godlike considering that not only it's super hard (and quite unsafe) to pressure him on oki, but he can mix that up too.
 

Eldagrin

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Eh, I don't know. The game is mostly balanced, but there are a couple of characters that stretch the gap of the tier list on way or the other a little too wide.
I mean, every character is tourney viable for the most part is what I mean. Sure, Mi-Na does way too much damage for how safe she is, and her soul charge is insane, but she’s going to get nerfed at some point, eventually, I hope.
 

Eldagrin

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Man, I joined the Mi-Na discord and it makes me like the character even less, she has ukemi traps that she can do after waiting to see if you ukemi, it’s not even a read. All I’ve learned from the Mi-Na discord is that I should basically just never Ukemi after she wall splats me.
 

TrulyAmiracle

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Dude 2B and Azwel are legit low tiers, the others you mentioned are good though, but not as good as Kilik.

Regarding Kilik I made a post about him some time ago:
I don't agree on those 2 being low tier, especially 2B. She has too many options to be legit low tier. Her air nonsense and dashing stance alone change a lot with many chars on they have have to fight/approach her.

Regarding his aGIs, they don't GI kicks last I checked so that's always an option you can do to shut them down. Many characters have annoying aGIs that steal turns as well such as Azwel and X so it's not even something unique to him. His 3B into aGI makes it a mini mix and it's good but nothing that makes him the best in the game.

Not sure why you think his WR buttons are best in the game. Especially with ones like X and Ivy in the game as well.

his 22B is great but so are many others such as Mina, Groh, Azwel and NM which also go into Oki/plus frames/damage.

Idk if he has the best ring outs, what about NM, Ivy, X (still great even with the nerf), Yoshi, Asta?

He has one of the best SC i agree on that but most SCs are scary af anyway and they don't have the disadvantage of losing life when activating it.

He's a good character I'm not disagreeing on that but best in the game is a stretch imo.
 

Eldagrin

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I don't agree on those 2 being low tier, especially 2B. She has too many options to be legit low tier. Her air nonsense and dashing stance alone change a lot with many chars on they have have to fight/approach her.

Regarding his aGIs, they don't GI kicks last I checked so that's always an option you can do to shut them down. Many characters have annoying aGIs that steal turns as well such as Azwel and X so it's not even something unique to him. His 3B into aGI makes it a mini mix and it's good but nothing that makes him the best in the game.

Not sure why you think his WR buttons are best in the game. Especially with ones like X and Ivy in the game as well.

his 22B is great but so are many others such as Mina, Groh, Azwel and NM which also go into Oki/plus frames/damage.

Idk if he has the best ring outs, what about NM, Ivy, X (still great even with the nerf), Yoshi, Asta?

He has one of the best SC i agree on that but most SCs are scary af anyway and they don't have the disadvantage of losing life when activating it.

He's a good character I'm not disagreeing on that but best in the game is a stretch imo.
I’m not sure if Kilik is no. 1, but I would say he’s definitely top 5, he’s fast, he’s safe, he has great pokes, if he’s in SC you can’t use any -12 moves at all unless they have absurd pushback or recover in crouch and he can ring you out from mid screen on some stages.
 

SaSSolino

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I don't agree on those 2 being low tier, especially 2B. She has too many options to be legit low tier. Her air nonsense and dashing stance alone change a lot with many chars on they have have to fight/approach her.
She does, but she's also very unsafe and some characters with range can option select her stance mixups.

Regarding his aGIs, they don't GI kicks last I checked so that's always an option you can do to shut them down. Many characters have annoying aGIs that steal turns as well such as Azwel and X so it's not even something unique to him. His 3B into aGI makes it a mini mix and it's good but nothing that makes him the best in the game.
There are aGIs and aGIs: Azwel's is steppable, -32 on block and only available in Spear mode. Kilik's are better, and one is on a stance for some reason.

Regardless that's not what I meant. I was talking about Kilik's synergy with normal GIs because of how safe he is, also his post GI game is extremely good.

Not sure why you think his WR buttons are best in the game. Especially with ones like X and Ivy in the game as well.
WR B has absurd range, is basically safe and leads to a full combo. Also thanks to its range you can use it after some strings with pushback that leave Kilik crouching, giving him yet another way to steal a turn.

WR K is an i12 that knocks down and is only -12 on block.

Ivy has a great aGi in WR B+K, but that's still -10 on hit. It's still very good, but even with her other WR buttons I don't think it's enough to beat Kilik's.

Xianghua's are great too, I'd say on par with Kilik's since what he has in range she makes up in frames.

his 22B is great but so are many others such as Mina, Groh, Azwel and NM which also go into Oki/plus frames/damage.
Mina's 22B is amazing for the same reasons as Kilik's, but slightly less safe. Regardless, it's Godlike.

Groh's leads to disturbing damage and oki, but it doesn't have the same properties, range or frames as Kilik's.

Azwel's leads to plus frames only if cancelled in stance, and since BoB is the only quick stance he has and BoB is quite slow, a fairly quick high crush will option select him. Besides it has terrible tracking and an unexisting hitbox.

Nightmare's arguably as good.

Idk if he has the best ring outs, what about NM, Ivy, X (still great even with the nerf), Yoshi, Asta?
Most of those have very good ring outs, but quite situational. Ivy and Astaroth are those that I can probably see up there with Kilik, but I still don't think they are as good.

He has one of the best SC i agree on that but most SCs are scary af anyway and they don't have the disadvantage of losing life when activating it.
They might not have the life loss disadvantage, but they have a time limit. Also Kilik can make up for the life loss with absurd chip damage on horizontal mids.

He's a good character I'm not disagreeing on that but best in the game is a stretch imo.
Even without agreeing with me that he's best at all of that stuff, you can't really argue that he isn't among the best. Add to that the fact that he lacks a weakness and that's a top tier for you.

ps: his lows are dumb too.
 

SaSSolino

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The patch is out on Japanese PSN and potentially other sources as well. It will be live on the 25th with Amy following thereafter.
Let's hope they fix Azwel.

EDIT: They didn't. I mean they did fix 1 out of 4 recurring hitbox issues, the one that was already supposed to be fixed since last patch.
 
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