SonicFox = Potential Greatest of All Time...And We Are Living In It

[Zatoichi]

Fox is a pretty damn good player, and from what I understand, he'll be playing Laura in SFV. So what I'm excited for is the inevitable Daigo vs SonicFox match for EVO 2016.

Still wish Sonic would pick up Kano, though.

 

[jdghost]

I don't understand how everyone can dicksuck regarding this much while we're all talking about.. NRS games.

I've seen fox in skullgirls, and he's pretty alright there. Far from top. But people comparing him to jwong or daigo or shit need to get their heads checked or fg experience levelled up.

You guys ultimately have to realize just how limited NRS games are in depth, execution, tech and skill requirement vs. most fighters in the fgc?

Sure fox is great at NRS games, I'm not disputing that. I'm just saying that doesn't say much (and you can at least not conclude anything from it) because competitively NRS games are fraudulent as hell by design.

There is def zero chance to compare fox to the greats in non-NRS games, and I personally find it insulting to those players.

Apparently all these great player that you speak of don't like to win free money.

 

[sinosleep]

The difference between Fox and everyone he's being compared to is the level of dominance. He doesn't just get top 8s, the guy has only missed ONE final set in a year. He's been top 2 of every NRS tournament he's entered barring one during which he placed 3rd. That's an obscene level of dominance that I haven't seen matched. Yeah, there were stretches of dominance in Injustice and MK 9 by others, but not to this level.

 

[Sultani]

I don't understand how everyone can dicksuck regarding this much while we're all talking about.. NRS games.

I've seen fox in skullgirls, and he's pretty alright there. Far from top. But people comparing him to jwong or daigo or shit need to get their heads checked or fg experience levelled up.

You guys ultimately have to realize just how limited NRS games are in depth, execution, tech and skill requirement vs. most fighters in the fgc?

Sure fox is great at NRS games, I'm not disputing that. I'm just saying that doesn't say much (and you can at least not conclude anything from it) because competitively NRS games are fraudulent as hell by design.

There is def zero chance to compare fox to the greats in non-NRS games, and I personally find it insulting to those players.

Are you one of those "NRS players have no fundamentals" kids?

There is just as much depth in NRS games as there is in any capcom game. Different fundamentals doesn't mean no fundamentals. It's possible for games to have completely different basics. That doesn't mean they don't have them. It means the ones they have are different.

It's not a hard idea.

It's jsut as easy for me to play against a top SF player and blow them up while they're trying to throw out wiffed normals in neutral and then being like "lol you have no fudnamentals you suck at all fighting games!" when really what it means is that they have capcom fundamentals, not NRS ones.

Remember when Capcom players all claimed they were going to dominate injustice because back to block was apparently such a hard concept that no NRS player could adapt to?

I think how IGAU played out should have been enough evidence that such an oh so difficult mechanic didn't mean shit, yet people still use that argument for some reason. It blows my mind that people still argue about how MK is bad because of the block button, when what ever struggle capcom players claimed MK players had with needing to press back to block was proven to be completely made up.

"Lol holding block is auto blocking crossups in MK lol stupid game!" We've all heard that one. You can cancel blocked jump ins into 50 / 50 strings in MK, normals do chip, and throw teching is alot harder than it is in other games. So please... hold block when I jump at you. Have fun losing 100 times in a row.

If you really think MKX at the highest level is only about combo execution, you are wrong. period. I can do every damn optimized combo in the game. I can't even win my local tournaments. Combo execution is all muscle memory anyway in any game. Is a one frame link harder to learn in SF? yes. But as soon as you get it, you can still lose at a high level. MKX is NOT different in that regard. Once you have the execution committed to muscle memory, that does NOT make you a good player.

Also yeah GG Xrd is the craziest deepest fighter I've ever played. so there's that.

 

[IrishMantis]

Am i seen the classic SF elitism on TYM saying NRS game has no fundmentals compared to our godlike footsie games?

lol

 

[SaSSolino]

Hehe thanks guys! U guys are da bess <3
However on a more serious note to hit everyones points:
1: I can never be on Daigo or Tokidos level. They have been existing longer than me and to have 15 eve medals is like my entire life span. They are just too great!
HOWEVER:
That is in THEIR respective games. So me being compared to them, or them being compared to me is impossible. Can't compare players who play completely 2 different styles of fighters.
2: There are many people that can beat me in Injustice. But that doesn't mean I can't beat them. Look at 16 bit KDZ Jupiter Reo. They all beat me. Even other people like Captain Oxygen, PL, Darth Arma, Revolver etc all have the potential to beat me in tournament. Its just that for that one specific day in tournament, I have outplayed them. Its better to move on.
P.S: I have beaten Theo in tournament
3: Greatest fighter of all time is not my title lol. If I am the greatest of all time, then Id have to be playing EVERY single fighting game. The only greatest of all time will be the one hypothetical person that can destroy any of us in any fighting game we choose from, maybe even FREE at it. But for now, such hypothetical person has yet to exist, therefore no "GFOAT" doesn't exist.
Can I be titled an "Amazing Fighting game player" Sure knock yourself out.
Not the greatest or potential greatest I am afraid (although that would be fun!)
And Finally: Some Insightful Advice or Tip from the Fox
1: From my own perspective, no body has a right to downplay a player for anything. There will always be a player greater than you. Talking shit for hype or being competitive is all fine and all, but when you are actually sitting there calling somebody bad or will never be good is outright ridiculous and somebody will eventually put you in your place. Hence I only talk shit to my friends .
2: Although jamesMK doesn't believe that there can be a leader of a community, I think there can. And although I am not, I think I show a perfect example of one. We are a fighting game community, so first:
Discussing controversial topics is something nobody should engage in. This community let alone isn't something capable of doing that.
Understand who you are and what power you hold. People can be swayed by leaders opinions especially on gaming sites. It happens all the time.
Whats the Solution?
Do what I do!
Just play the game, enjoy it, meet some friends, have fun, and enjoy what you have in this community while its still there! Understand that people get salty and don't let it get to you or you will make enemies. I taunt a lot mid game because I troll like that, but it doesn't mean you can just then turn to the other player and say they suck. If they understand its just a game, they won't get salty to the point they are saying "you aren't good."
And thats my little rant I haven't had in like 5 years lol.
P.S: My talent is only the fox senses

please stop tbagging people so I can respect you.

 

[Sultani]

He lost 5 major MKX tournaments last year. Combo Breaker, CEO, EGL, Summer Jam and the Fall Classic.

I don't want to sound like I am downplaying Sonic. He is amazing. Just trying to bring some perspective to the table. Justin Wong won Marvel vs. Capcom 2 at EVO 3 years in a row. He won EVO in Marvel 2 a total of 6 times. Think about that.

I was legitimately asking. I wasn't watching fighting games a lot during the MVC2 days, nor was I aware that SF was beaten that many times at majors.

 

[Hara-Killer]

Hope that Sonic Fox become an film maker or join NRS as something like that but in FGC , Like 16 Bit ...stuff like that.

 

[iSuckAtFightingGames]

He lost 5 major MKX tournaments last year. Combo Breaker, CEO, EGL, Summer Jam and the Fall Classic.

I don't want to sound like I am downplaying Sonic. He is amazing. Just trying to bring some perspective to the table. Justin Wong won Marvel vs. Capcom 2 at EVO 3 years in a row. He won EVO in Marvel 2 a total of 6 times. Think about that.

@16 Bit

Yeah but I think people should also realise that this is a 6 year record. Sonic has only been around for a few years so far and as the OP said is dominating 3 games at least. It is not a comparable situation to say.. hey look at Wong's record over 6 years to Sonics record over 2 years ... I mean of course there is a difference.. .once is 6 years longer.

 

[ghostwriteous]

While I hoped it was obvious I never implied the only thing skill comes down to is execution, it unfortunately seems like I actually have to inform you this is not the case, and then expand with the fact options outside of combos/execution is also very limited compared to most comp fighters.

With that said, there are quite a few players famous namely BECAUSE of their execution, like Sako, and if you haven't heard about him/them, that's your own lack of knowledge.

Is MVC a more respectable game than MKX to you?

 

[Xerclipse]

As a member of the Project M community and Test Your Might for a long time.... I have to say the pursuit of becoming the great player or best player can really suck a lot out of your true future. I struggled with becoming the best and maintaining my schoolwork at the same time last semester. This year I may have to stop playing games to pursue my Bachelor's degree. If you are a prodigy like Sonic Fox... great, its a good way to earn money. I honestly don't know how much practice he had or natural talent he has in those games, but I'm sure he is gifted and hardworking. I hope he is grateful of earning so much from those tournaments consistently. Many other veteran players who keep trying for years have a problem.

People like me have to work super duper hard until we can perfect our spacing, bait and punish, and neutral game. We get bodied and bodied until we get it right. It's how I got better at the fighting games I play. Hell that's why I got to the weekly local, because I know there are a handful of players that can body me with their eyes closed, but I learn so much. I never place high enough to get some money, but now I get really close because I learn from my games. If you struggle with your school work because of it, is it really worth playing fighting games? If you can win those tournaments consistently, then sure... the money is worth it. If you can't win them, then you should really be smart, and improve your true future rather than keep getting bodied in fighting games.

 

[G4S Claude VonStroke]

Apollo

 

[G4S Claude VonStroke]

Gize

 

[Youphemism]

Yeah he sure showed us by not winning SFV, Claude pls.

 

[coolwhip]

Yeah he sure showed us by not winning SFV, Claude pls.

This is a smart way to make a very stupid post (if there is such a thing). When you get called out for saying something so dumb, you can just claim it's a troll. Option select 101.

Sonic Fox just won MKX and got top 8 in SFV on the same weekend, at a ridiculously stacked major for both games. And the knock on him is...he didn't win SFV? The game that isn't even his main game?

Don't we worship the ground Chris G walks on every time he makes top 8 at an NRS game? Nobody goes "he sure showed us by not winning."

 

[CrimsonShadow]

This is a smart way to make a very stupid post (if there is such a thing). When you get called out for saying something so dumb, you can just claim it's a troll. Option select 101.

Sonic Fox just won MKX and got top 8 in SFV on the same weekend, at a ridiculously stacked major for both games. And the knock on him is...he didn't win SFV? The game that isn't even his main game?

Don't we worship the ground Chris G walks on every time he makes top 8 at an NRS game? Nobody goes "he sure showed us by not winning."

I'm a Sonic supporter -- but Greatest of all Time is a heavy statement.

 

[coolwhip]

I'm a Sonic supporter -- but Greatest of all Time is a heavy statement.

Indeed it is, a thought I shared on like page 2 of this thread a year and a half ago (man time flies by). Fox has a long way to go before we can even entertain the possibility of him being the greatest ever. My post above has nothing to do with Claude getting carried away, but more to do with someone using Fox not winning SFV as some sort of knock on him when he made top 8 -- an amazing achievement.

We both remember all the threads claiming Fox would get bodied if he plays Capcom games. I'm actually surprised you haven't dug out a few.

 

[CrimsonShadow]

Indeed it is, a thought I shared on like page 2 of this thread a year and a half ago (man time flies by). My post above has nothing to do with Claude getting carried away, but more to do with someone using Fox not winning SFV as some sort of knock on him when he made top 8 -- an amazing achievement.

We both remember all the threads claiming Fox would get bodied if he plays Capcom games. I'm actually surprised you haven't dug out a few.

I don't think it was a knock on Fox -- I think most of the reactions are specifically against calling fox a GOAT and then using a Top 8 in the first month of SF5 competition to demand that people apologize.

Tokido did indeed body him -- but that's to be expected, as Tokido is one of the best SF players around.

In any case, it's directed at the thread, rather than at Fox, if that makes sense. Everyone knows Sonic is a fantastic player.

 

[jdghost]

Yeah he sure showed us by not winning SFV, Claude pls.

Yeah like Justin show us he only made it to top 16. Youphemism please. They all are amazing.

 

[THTB]

The Fox will get better. Honestly, I think playing SFV will only make him exponentially better at fighting games in general. Once he really understands the game, I can see him adding his experience to other games and we'll really be fucked in the NRS scene lol.

 

[G4S Claude VonStroke]

Title of the thread says Potential. He just turned 18. If he doesn't have that potential then I don't know who does. I don't think there is a person on this website who could have gotten top 8 at final round in SF right now. And then he WON another game and made top 3 in another. SF isn't the only game that takes skill, MKX and other games do to otherwise those SF players would be taking all that MKX money and we saw how that turned out early in MKX life.

 

[n1kosh]

SonicFox OVERPOWERED character. NERF him

 

[THTB]

Title of the thread says Potential. He just turned 18. If he doesn't have that potential then I don't know who does. I don't think there is a person on this website who could have gotten top 8 at final round in SF right now. And then he WON another game and made top 3 in another. SF isn't the only game that takes skill, MKX and other games do to otherwise those SF players would be taking all that MKX money and we saw how that turned out early in MKX life.

I definitely forgot his birthday was recent. Someone better have taken this man to a titty bar this weekend!

 

[Afk Skinny]

Fox is a great player, no denying. Yes the tournament was stacked, but all the heavy hitters were basically taking each other out during pools.

 

[REO]

TBH, SonicFox is probably going to become the greatest of all time with FGs. He's already the best NRS player, a top DOA player, a top Skullgirls player, a top Pokken player, and arguably the best American SFv player at the moment with his current results. He got 9th at the first big American SFV major, and now he just placed the highest out of ALL Americans at the biggest USA SFV major to date which was Final Round that had over 1200+ players and TONS of top players and competition. Keep in mind he's also doing this with F.A.N.G who is considered a LOW TIER character.

Not many people understand how good SonicFox is. Especially the players that don't know him very well and play casuals with him on a constant basis. He loves fighting games and doesn't do this shit for money, fame, or publicity, so his skill and passion is 100% authentic and the realest it's ever going to get with someone. He plays fighting games because he loves the shit out of them and has insane amounts of fun playing them.

IMO, SonicFox is the best at multiple characters in multiple games. For example, he was known as being the "best" Batgirl in Injustice, but I would put money down that he was also the best Killer Frost, Catwoman, and Joker Injustice has ever seen and would like to see many players try to fight his alts. I would play his secondary characters in Injustice and they were ridiculous. He would 15-0 my Martian Manhunter with characters like Catwoman and do crazy abstract things I barely so actual Catwoman mains do. I mean, he was just bodying top players at Final Round with JASON VOORHEES. It wouldn't surprise me at all if Sonic is currently the best Jason. This kid has talent and it's shown over the years and he's only going to get BETTER as he gets older. Every year SonicFox goes through a Super Saiyan-esque transformation and gets way harder to defeat than he was the previous year. His skill multiplies and he gets wiser as he gets older. If you've ever beaten SonicFox before, chances are he will wreck you in a run back. Pretty much everyone who has experience can attest to this.

This kid is amazing and in years down the line I think he will be known as one of the best FG players of all time with all of his trophies, acolytes, multi-game domination, and growth as a player. SonicFox is truly one of a kind, IMO.