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Fractured_Shadow

Really likes to throw things at you.
I'm going to pretend I didn't read that.
Sigh.... great counter post to my thoughts. Figuring I have no idea who you are, and judging by your posts in this thread, you are gonna spew some nonsense very very soon.

Buuut But it's Kenshi!! He steamrolls everyone!
 

cR Xarakamaka

Kombatant
It's easy to look at frame data and say this works that doesn't, but it's a different thing when if you're trying to counter poke in a real game, mistime it by 3 frames and get hit by a smoke bomb for your life bar.
thats how it works phosferrax and why would you miss time it by 3 frames? lol on lan its even better and easier than online, ssf4 work on 1 frame links lol. were lucky to get so many. and d1 is -13 phosferrax. it doesnt work like you think you see the active frames and once the active frames are over the negative on block begins so you have time to react lol
 

Fractured_Shadow

Really likes to throw things at you.
This is one huge prop-fishing thread imo. I'm pretty sure this dude did this a while ago and MyGod88 blew him up for it.

He also created the exact same prop fishing thread on MKU
 
Sigh.... great counter post to my thoughts. Figuring I have no idea who you are, and judging by your posts in this thread, you are gonna spew some nonsense very very soon.

Buuut But it's Kenshi!! He steamrolls everyone!
I'm sorry but you are not explaining that match up correctly. You need to watch someone like foxy play it to understand that match up properly to be honest. I respect your opinion but honestly man it's not as easy as you think for smoke, I promise you.
 

cR Xarakamaka

Kombatant
thing is about usa i still get no legit answer to the thing i posted on frames in previous pages just flame or other comments or this n that . everyone is avoiding the answer and not giving me the answers your defending him without explanations and keep doing it . get comnents from 16bit n ppl just dissing with no answer . because you know your wrong lol. stop defending him and try giving me good answers back to these plays!?
 

Vagrant

Champion
thing is about usa i still get no legit answer to the thing i posted on frames in previous pages just flame or other comments or this n that . everyone is avoiding the answer and not giving me the answers your defending him without explanations and keep doing it . get comnents from 16bit n ppl just dissing with no answer . because you know your wrong lol. stop defending him and try giving me good answers back to these plays!?
We've seen the "UK says USA just doesn't know and needs to level up" movie numerous times already.
It always seems to end the same way.
 

cR Xarakamaka

Kombatant
This is one huge prop-fishing thread imo. I'm pretty sure this dude did this a while ago and MyGod88 blew him up for it.

He also created the exact same prop fishing thread on MKU
what! dude me and mygod first met we fell out over 2 years ago. then we became friends and i joined the A squad with me dabby . wound . sonic . and mygod . was in there and friends with him for ages . get your facts straight . i had to ft5 mygod to get in the clan and were friends. hate ppl dont get their facts straight
 

cR Xarakamaka

Kombatant
you seen me and skillful chrisplay? , thats funny cos i got one vid of me on youtube using xbox pad vs kitana on unplayable connection. you never seen our story . dont bring up evo from from 2 years ago that was 4 other uk guys not us . me and skillful chris xholmseyx never had a shot at it . again someone else get your facts right
We've seen the "UK says USA just doesn't know and needs to level up" movie numerous times already.
It always seems to end the same way.
 

coolwhip

Master
1) 90% of jumps and most crossovers depending on characters will be punished

2) all d1s WILL be punished thats no debateable and you should know as both our best characters are cage. all d3s i wont d3 back like you do a lot. you do f3 sometimes but not at all consistant dude
Holy shit...Dizzy being blown up for poor counter-poking. Now I have seen it all. Oh my god.
 

Fractured_Shadow

Really likes to throw things at you.
I'm sorry but you are not explaining that match up correctly. You need to watch someone like foxy play it to understand that match up properly to be honest. I respect your opinion but honestly man it's not as easy as you think for smoke, I promise you.
I'm not saying it is easy. Never did. But you are not offering any counterpoints other than "watch XYZ"

I main Kenshi and play some VERY good Smoke players and actually beat @The_REAL_xVAPORx at my last tournament and I am speaking from personal experience.

Ah fuck... you know what.. I dont fucking care... sure Kenshi wins 5.5-4.5 whatever... i need to get out of this train wreck of a thread.
 

Vagrant

Champion
you seen me and skillful chrisplay? , thats funny cos i got one vid of me on youtube using xbox pad vs kitana on unplayable connection. you never seen our story . dont bring up evo from from 2 years ago that was 4 other uk guys not us . me and skillful chris xholmseyx never had a shot at it . again someone else get your facts right

By all means,
Come out to Galloping Ghost Arcade and show us all how it's done.
 
I'm not salty. Smoke players outside Wafflez are free.
I am going to have to disagree with you here. Xsmokex is a very good smoke who just didn't get to travel as much. Also RM Atk (aka Cameron) is a good smoke as well and he has only been playing mk9 for a year about. Obviously wafflez got the best results and deserves respect but we can't say there are no other good smokes because not everyone goes out to events (and some only can go to a very few).
 

RiBBz22

TYM's Confirmed Prophet/Time-Traveler
On paper Wafflez is the best smoke but I find it hard to call him the best smoke because of his poor poking game. Wafflez is a good smoke but from what I've seen he has an extremely bad poking game. He does a hell of a lot of d1s on block into more d1s and I've witnessed a lot of people let him get away with it. Anyone who is excellent at counter poking will blow him up for it. Smokes D1 comes out at 19 frames after a blocked D1 which is stupid. The amount of blocked pokes he does into more pokes or strings is ridiculous in my opinion. This was particularly evident at final round. Purely on that reason I can't call him the best smoke and would have to say it's either Xarakamaka or xsmokex. A lot of people will disagree with me but Xarakamakas smoke is definitely fundamentally better imo.
Smoke players getting away with multiple d1's on block has nothing to do with them not playing fundamentally or not knowing frame data. We understand how minus d1's are, but the reason this strategy works is the threat of smoke bomb being cancelled and trading with someone pressing buttons/punishing. The trade is basically never in Smoke's opponents' favor so people are not quick to let off block. Multiple d1's is a who will blink first guessing game, and a legit strategy. If you have the balls to guess right and punish every single one that is not cancelled into SB then you da man. Try to punish when the SB comes out and get bodied. Block the Smoke bomb and only a handful of characters can punish it consistently. It is up to the Smoke player to know who he can and can not bully this way, or at least accept the risks of doing so.
 
Smoke players getting away with multiple d1's on block has nothing to do with them not playing fundamentally or not knowing frame data. We understand how minus d1's are, but the reason this strategy works is the threat of smoke bomb being cancelled and trading with someone pressing buttons/punishing. The trade is basically never in Smoke's opponents' favor so people are not quick to let off block. Multiple d1's is a who will blink first guessing game, and a legit strategy. If you have the balls to guess right and punish every single one that is not cancelled into SB then you da man. Try to punish when the SB comes out and get bodied. Block the Smoke bomb and only a handful of characters can punish it consistently. It is up to the Smoke player to know who he can and can not bully this way, or at least accept the risks of doing so.
If a smoke player wants to play that game against me, they can be my guest.
 

PND_Mustard

"More stealthful than the night"
Elder God
you seen me and skillful chrisplay? , thats funny cos i got one vid of me on youtube using xbox pad vs kitana on unplayable connection. you never seen our story . dont bring up evo from from 2 years ago that was 4 other uk guys not us . me and skillful chris xholmseyx never had a shot at it . again someone else get your facts right
Y'know there'd be some actual footage of you playing competitively in a way people would notice if you actually turned up, MK had a good couple of years of consistent good turnouts but you were never there, you had the chance and you missed it. Not being a dick, just saying it how it is.

Yeah in 2012 we took on the US, and we lost, it happens, I myself didn't get bodied completely and did alright, which I'm comfortable looking back on. So don't turn around and say "that was them not us", because we took the initiative and had the passion to fly to the other side of the world to play. Not sitting from our bedrooms claiming we're godlike, we took it out there and showed we could play.

As much as I love MK9 as a game, competitively in the UK it's irrelevant now. if you want to prove you're a top player and even the best in the world, play MKX, travel for it, compete, show us all why you're the best. You'll receive no props for playing from the comfort of your home if there are people out there putting in 10X the effort you are where it matters.

You attended one 8 man tournament, months after the rest of the UK had long stopped playing, and came 3rd. You played well, you ARE a good player, but you need to bring it where it counts. Not online where it's nothing. I'm very disappointed to see you acting so oblivious to this.
 

Soul Bound X

Kombatant
This thread is stressing me out and giving me a headache . Too much arguing . I can't be in a tread like this today. I gotta get outta here
 

RiBBz22

TYM's Confirmed Prophet/Time-Traveler
If a smoke player wants to play that game against me, they can be my guest.
Yeah I absolutely would just like I would against anyone else. If you are punishing every d1 that is fine...then you are just going to start eating smoke bombs off the first d1. I will be your guest I suppose.