Match-up Discussion Sinestro post UFGT MU chart

[Qwark28]

Black Adam will never be 5 5.

He's too good of an antizoner.

 

[EGP Wonder_Chef]

Why is Cyborg a Sinestro's advantage MU?

duck an instant air shot and you have instant zoning advantage.

sinestro keeps him out of the air from fullscreen which is where cyborg wants to be

that's my view on the matchup

 

[Ronald_A_Knox]

duck an instant air shot and you have instant zoning advantage.

sinestro keeps him out of the air from fullscreen which is where cyborg wants to be

that's my view on the matchup

Boulders.
Really.
All there is to it.
Ducking and boulders.
Throw dem rocks

 

[Enigma642]

When i played Harley, i used a well-timed MB B3 to send that bitch flying back. Can't Sinestro do the same? Sure, it's meter-burning on guesswork or small reaction, but it beats having her up close.

Its much harder to correctly time armor against a KF slide than it is a Harley Silly Slide/TS. If that is what you were comparing.

 

[EGP Wonder_Chef]

REO no drama starting please also stay on topic.

 

[Ronald_A_Knox]

Its much harder to correctly time armor against a KF slide than it is a Harley Silly Slide/TS. If that is what you were comparing.

I was referring to just throwing a raw MB B3 WITH Harley AGAINST KF. Unless Sinestro B3 is radically different, he can do the same.

 

[SLy]

Pig Of The Hut, i'd put GL at 5-5, but at evo i'd love to see you and denzell run that match for future references. And i'm surprised hawkgirl loses to sinestro, care to explain?

His fallen asteroid negates her trait. She can get out zoned hard. Her offense is better though but with her range its hard to keep him at bay unless hes in the corner. It can be a possible 5-5 in time though.

 

[Zyphox]

Lol

Nah man ill explain later haha but that read funny

i know this because i also play sinestro he cant wake up safely against the flash, and if you cant wake up against the flash then your dead we have to play man, i'll add you on psn if you have room

 

[YOMI MITYEAP]

His fallen asteroid negates her trait. She can get out zoned hard. Her offense is better though but with her range its hard to keep him at bay unless hes in the corner. It can be a possible 5-5 in time though.

interesting, but I feel that hawkgirl is very unexplored however, so yeah over time the MU will definitely look different. Thanks for the point of view on the matchup.

 

[Enigma642]

I was referring to just throwing a raw MB B3 WITH Harley AGAINST KF. Unless Sinestro B3 is radically different, he can do the same.

Ahh I see. Hmm it seems like that would be difficult to do on reaction to a KF slide. You could definitely anticipate but if you guess wrong and wiff the B3 you would definitely eat a slide into full combo reset. The risk/reward ratio seem in KF favor.

 

[JHCRANE 14]

Wound cowboy and I came up with a post UFGT MU chart at Denny's

Some quick notes: first off WoundCowboy I lost that Denny's table mat we made it in so I did this by memory , everything right?

This will most likely change as time goes on and cowboy and I both agree sinestro is anywhere from top 7-10 on tier list A+ tier possibly better

Playing to win was also consulted some in our room as well especially about black Adam

Bane 7-3
Hawk girl 6-4
Lex Luthor 6-4 (potential 7-3)
Cyborg 6-4 (potential 7-3)
Lobo 6-4
Flash 6-4
Grundy 6-4 (potential 5-5)
Catwoman 6-4 (potential 5-5)
Green lantern 6-4 (potential 5-5)
Harley 6-4
Joker 6-4


Shazam 5-5 (potential 6-4)
Ares 5-5
Deathstroke 5-5
Batman 5-5
Superman 5-5
NW 5-5
Arrow 5-5
Raven 5-5
Wonder Woman 5-5

Aquaman 4-6 (potential 3-7)
Black Adam 4-6 (potential 5-5)
Doomsday 4-6
Bat girl 4-6
Frost un F-ing winnable against a top frost. Ill buy u a boat if u prove me wrong .

This seems about right. Really good Ares players always give me problems. Also I tagged you in a new post I made today about Sinestro's new low starter, let me know what you think. I really want your opinion on it. Especially about taking away the wake up attacks of powerful characters like Doomsday and Grundy.

 

[Ronald_A_Knox]

Ahh I see. Hmm it seems like that would be difficult to do on reaction to a KF slide. You could definitely anticipate but if you guess wrong and wiff the B3 you would definitely eat a slide into full combo reset. The risk/reward ratio seem in KF favor.

Much like Harley, Sinestro just doesn't have any other choice unless i will be presented with one.

Someone else told me you can also time a raw 3 and make KF whiff away.

 

[16 Bit]

I could see Catwoman vs. Sinestro being 5-5. I could even see Catwoman winning. If we had more time I'd have played that MU. KF was obviously a bigger priority though lol.

 

[cR WoundCowboy]

Pig Of The Hut, i'd put GL at 5-5, but at evo i'd love to see you and denzell run that match for future references. And i'm surprised hawkgirl loses to sinestro, care to explain?

Green Lantern's problem is his shitty mobility. His dash sucks and will lose to fear blast every time (lol watch me vs Art). GL obviously can't air bullet because of boulder. Once he starts walking in (pretty much his only option), he allows Sinestro to charge his trait. Sinestro can also punish the lift from very far away with B13. lol once the trait is up the MU probably becomes 7-3 Sinestro.

 

[YOMI MITYEAP]

Green Lantern's problem is his shitty mobility. His dash sucks and will lose to fear blast every time (lol watch me vs Art). GL obviously can't air bullet because of boulder. Once he starts walking in (pretty much his only option), he allows Sinestro to charge his trait. Sinestro can also punish the lift from very far away with B13. lol once the trait is up the MU probably becomes 7-3 Sinestro.

hmm, interesting. I say still run it with more than one GL to make sure, but the points you made are quite convincing, i'd say 6 4 is a good number as of right now for the matchup.

 

[cR WoundCowboy]

Wound cowboy and I came up with a post UFGT MU chart at Denny's

Some quick notes: first off WoundCowboy I lost that Denny's table mat we made it in so I did this by memory , everything right?

This will most likely change as time goes on and cowboy and I both agree sinestro is anywhere from top 7-10 on tier list A+ tier possibly better

Playing to win was also consulted some in our room as well especially about black Adam

Bane 7-3
Hawk girl 6-4
Lex Luthor 6-4 (potential 7-3)
Cyborg 6-4 (potential 7-3)
Lobo 6-4
Flash 6-4
Grundy 6-4 (potential 5-5)
Catwoman 6-4 (potential 5-5)
Green lantern 6-4 (potential 5-5)
Harley 6-4
Joker 6-4


Shazam 5-5 (potential 6-4)
Ares 5-5
Deathstroke 5-5
Batman 5-5
Superman 5-5
NW 5-5
Arrow 5-5
Raven 5-5
Wonder Woman 5-5

Aquaman 4-6 (potential 3-7)
Black Adam 4-6 (potential 5-5)
Doomsday 4-6
Bat girl 4-6
Frost un F-ing winnable against a top frost. Ill buy u a boat if u prove me wrong .

How dare you lose the Denny's MU chart! But yea I agree with most of this, especially Frost. Aquaman is really tough also, but I feel like I am close to making it winnable.

 

[Pig Of The Hut]

I was referring to just throwing a raw MB B3 WITH Harley AGAINST KF. Unless Sinestro B3 is radically different, he can do the same.

Throwing out raw b3 MB wins against typical frost but here's reality

You can't react to slide in footsie range or mid screen and guess what if u do? It takes 5 frames to activate armor and if late she can block it off a slide recovery and you've now wasted a bar of meter to be now put in a 50/50 situation where her options greatly outweigh yours

On a blocked slide your best option w sinestro is throw. D3 on block is full combo into reset punishable and every other threat can be parried

His jump in 1/2/3 gets hammered by her superior d2 slide to combo reset

His jump back /jump back1/3 option can be baited , dashed and slide or d2 slide

Miss timed axe or axe whiff can be punished w slide even instant air

FB only hits her crouching full screen, mid screen she can duck and slide FB

Shackles on block gets slide

Boulder gets dash in slide from 3/4 or 20% ice spike from full screen block

The best tool sinestro has against her is d2xxarachnid and pray u get your trait out.

Btw when she hits u it's 42-80%. When u hit her (which ill get to soon) u get 27-45%.

Ok so when/how to hit her:

No skilled frost player is gonna stand full screen away from u and ice spike u and try to zone u. So punishing spike w shackles might happen against a top frost once-twice a round where full screen u get 16%. If you're late she gets 20%

So block slide options:
Throw is best but can be back dashed into slide and now you're in same guessing situation again
B2 parried and also she can d1 slide before it comes out
D1 same situation
F2d1 same situation
Jump back 1/2/3 slide or dash in d2 slide
Nj1/2/3 will be d2 into slide


The only hope any sinestro has against frost is metropolis rooftop and throw every starship enterprise u can or if the frost player just completely plays terrible

Again if anyone has an answer other than black Adam or batman I'd like to see it offline at CEO or Evo not online

 

[CY MasterHavik]

I can see Raven vs. Sinstreo as a 5-5. Can Raven absorb the over rock?

 

[Pig Of The Hut]

Black Adam will never be 5 5.

He's too good of an antizoner.

Play cowboy or I first

I'm comfortable calling this 5-5 , at absolute worst 4-6

 

[Pig Of The Hut]

Much like Harley, Sinestro just doesn't have any other choice unless i will be presented with one.

Someone else told me you can also time a raw 3 and make KF whiff away.

3 makes slide whiff but no one, not even Jedi luke skywalker is ever gonna face GGA 16 Bit frost and think "yo I got this, 3 every time I see slide baby"

U will be successful only by accident

 

[16 Bit]

3 makes slide whiff but no one, not even Jedi luke skywalker is ever gonna face GGA 16 Bit frost and think "yo I got this, 3 every time I see slide baby"

U will be successful only by accident

Yeah, it's not good strategy IMO.

Beating Killer Frost is more about the post blocked slide guessing game than trying to react to it with stuff like that or MB b+3. To beat her you must give up trying to play the game, accept you're going to have to block slide, and then deal with that. For Sinestro I don't know how to make the guessing game even neutral.

 

[Pig Of The Hut]

Much like Harley, Sinestro just doesn't have any other choice unless i will be presented with one.

Someone else told me you can also time a raw 3 and make KF whiff away.

Also frost can 1 frame parry armor attacks such as MB b3 for full combo to reset

 

[PND_Mustard]

i agree with Sinestro-Bane being a 7-3. especially now Sinestro has a wakeup attack that isn't total dick.

 

[haketh]

i agree with Sinestro-Bane being a 7-3. especially now Sinestro has a wakeup attack that isn't total dick.

Don't even think we can punish it now that it's -9 and all the pushblock.

 

[G4S KT]

I'm inclined to agree about GL, especially after the latest buffs