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It's just gathering opinions. Not like anyone expects anything to come from it.A poll on tym dont mean much since most us are casuals or semi hardcore and dont go to tournaments.
It's just gathering opinions. Not like anyone expects anything to come from it.A poll on tym dont mean much since most us are casuals or semi hardcore and dont go to tournaments.
You trying to say I can't be a tournament guy? >_>No I don't think you would, and I wouldn't have a problem with it. You are a tech guy. There are tech guys, combo guys, etc, but there are also tournament guys.
I'm speaking specifically on proven tournament players. I understand it makes the matches more "hype", but that does nothing for someone who took their time and money to travel to an event, just to be scraped by a tournament player who has been living the game for a year in advance.
I would be sick to my stomach playing well in a tourney for example, just to run into PPJ in top 8 and be eliminated while he wins a huge pot. But like I said, if others are ok with that then more power to them.
Why does everyone assume tech guys have no concept of fundamentals?By that logic why get testers at all then? Also, of course NRS are shaping the basics of the game. Paulo is. Not Slips, not 16 Bit, not PPJ. That's not the point though. The point is, the tech guys are only useful once the game has taken its shape. Get them on board from the get-go and they probably wouldn't really have valuable contributions. Again, broken shit can be patched. But balancing characters, understanding what each character needs, move priorities, etc... is invaluable, and only those who truly understand fighting games can have good input about it, as evidenced the ton of cringe worthy buff/nerf suggestions you see on TYM.
You're aware of the role Slips played in the October patch for example, right?
By that logic why get testers at all then? Also, of course NRS are shaping the basics of the game. Paulo is. Not Slips, not 16 Bit, not PPJ. That's not the point though. The point is, the tech guys are only useful once the game has taken its shape. Get them on board from the get-go and they probably wouldn't really have valuable contributions. Again, broken shit can be patched. But balancing characters, understanding what each character needs, move priorities, etc... is invaluable, and only those who truly understand fighting games can have good input about it, as evidenced the ton of cringe worthy buff/nerf suggestions you see on TYM
Forgot about UFGT. Wound got 2nd and lost to Chris G. What testers were present? I can think of Brady, 16bit, Chris G, and PL.Woundcowboy UFGT
Those you listed plus me, nerd josh, slips, hmm that may be itForgot about UFGT. Wound got 2nd and lost to Chris G. What testers were present? I can think of Brady, 16bit, Chris G, and PL.
Urgh, no I'm not making it sound like they're not needed at all because I explicitly said they're needed, just not necessarily from day one. If that's how you got my point that's on you, but yeah, I wouldn't bring a tech monster from day 1. Clearly, neither of us have a specific understanding of how NRS does things or the way it prioritizes certain issues but you in particular sound completely oblivious to it.No, that IS the point. I'm pretty sure Paulo is competent enough to shape up the basics. Great, you have fundamental players to check move priority, but what about this unavoidable bomb reset? Fundamental players generally make sure everything works properly and tech monsters go above and beyond to find exploitable bugs. Why wait until the game is released with multiple bugs to when you can easily avoid these mistakes? There needs to be a balance of both. You're making it seem like they're not needed at all because the game can be patched. Why does it even need to get to the point?
Lmao. Please, stick to improving your ranking on Xbox live.I think personally they should be banned for the same time they've had testing the game from tournaments, contests, competitions etc.
Brady, PL and 16 Bit didn't end up making top 8. Now, this isn't necessarily proof of anything, but it might indicate that a month or so into the game, people start catching up, albeit not all the way.Forgot about UFGT. Wound got 2nd and lost to Chris G. What testers were present? I can think of Brady, 16bit, Chris G, and PL.
Uh, no, you said broken shit can be patched, which implies final stages of the game or post release. I have no idea how NRS does things and neither do you, so you can drop the condescending attitude.Urgh, no I'm not making it sound like they're not needed at all because I explicitly said they're needed, just not necessarily from day one. If that's how you got my point that's on you, but yeah, I wouldn't bring a tech monster from day 1. Clearly, neither of us have a specific understanding of how NRS does things or the way it prioritizes certain issues but you in particular sound completely oblivious to it.
It's called an example. Tech monsters are more inclined to find something like that faster than a fundamentalist.Bringing up MK9 is flawed, by the way. That was NRS' first venture into making a tournament fighter, and they flew in a few testers for 4 days and that was it. In fact, said testers explicitly said they were told not too spend too much time looking for infinites and the like, because NRS had deadlines to meet and the game was about to be released. Obviously, things were done better in the case of Injustice. Ditto for MKX. MK9 was a poorly tested game, period. Bringing it up at this point is irrelevant.
Uh, no, you said broken shit can be patched, which implies final stages of the game or post release. I have no idea how NRS does things and neither do you, so you can drop the condescending attitude.
Yeah, I mean, who disputed that? I genuinely don't get your point. You're basically saying tech monsters are needed, well yeah. The difference is, when I first addressed this topic it was a response to someone saying "better player" =/= "better tester" and that the best testers are tech monsters. I disagreed with that by saying tech monsters are more useful in the late stages of testing but the better players PROBABLY understand fighting games better and more importantly, balance (again, you're conveniently ignoring how great the balance patches have been for Injustice). I don't see how this point is even debatable. Yeah, both are needed for different reasons. You just assumed I'm giving the middle finger to tech guys. So...what's your point exactly?It's called an example. Tech monsters are more inclined to find something like that faster than a fundamentalist.
Ok. At the end of the day the people I mentioned will win 90% or more of the early tourney pot money. If you disagree with that I don't know what else to tell you.Now you're comparing a match-up to player skills. Another bad analogy.
Lmaooooo! Nah bro I'm not saying that, anything is possible. But you'd have to get there 1st. If you were a high level tourney player with that type of tech knowledge (looking at you Fox) and tested the game for a year you'd have to be banned for life!You trying to say I can't be a tournament guy? >_>
You already posted this as a response to my "having to ban the 300 testers post" but last time had a winky face. (You/someone deleted it though)Well one is already banned so only 299 more to go NE
I agree. It also helps that the people you mention are some of the best players on the scene.Ok. At the end of the day the people I mentioned will win 90% or more of the early tourney pot money. If you disagree with that I don't know what else to tell you.
Whats worse is you're right. If I bothered to dedicate myself to the game and stuff, I probably would actually be pretty damn good.Lmaooooo! Nah bro I'm not saying that, anything is possible. But you'd have to get there 1st. If you were a high level tourney player with that type of tech knowledge (looking at you Fox) and tested the game for a year you'd have to be banned for life!
That's the point.I agree. It also helps that the people you mention are some of the best players on the scene.
All I don't hope for is you and Fox maining the same character, ever. I don't want to see the John Cena Era in MKX or beyond.Whats worse is you're right. If I bothered to dedicate myself to the game and stuff, I probably would actually be pretty damn good.
All I can hope for is that SonicFox is my first match in a tourney, since I always win at least 1.