Should NRS include an option to filter Wi-FI connections?

[LawAbidingCitizen]

Trust me, a connection benchmark is far more accurate in telling you whether both sides will enjoy the match or not.

I connection Benchmark is a welcome addition to test the players Internet stability but its not a substitute for wired connections with 100ms cutoff.
I say we include:

• Ability to decline above 100ms
• filter options that allow us to search for Wired/WiFi or both.
• a benchmark stability test before accepting match. Really good idea G.

 

[trufenix]

they can participate... by buying a lan cable. wifi players are bad because they essentially don't play the same game. they don't belong in ranked. thats not elitsm, it's common sense. I'm sorry but this isn't a shooter or a rts, fighting games can't be played with wifi.

the majority of connections to wifi players are trash, thats how it is. dont blame me for it and force everyone to endure that shit. if a wifi player is good or bad...well, would he care about good matches to show of his skills he would not use wifi in the first place. how do you call someone out to be something when you dont encounter him anymore i dont see that issue to be something which will pop up.

are you on wifi? how anyone can seriously be against such a filter is beyond me. dont you want nt.good matches?

If your only argument is "good players don't use wifi" then you're never gonna get what you want.

 

[LawAbidingCitizen]

Would be nice if they'd fix the netcode. WIFI connections weren't half as shit at launch as they're now.
I also would like the ping limit to be 50ms lower. 150ms connections are fucking always 180-200ms in reality and that shit really isn't enjoyable.

I was thinking 100ms should be the new cutoff to decline. I don't think players will find 50ms connections easily. I average 80-130ms with players on ranked and wish it was 40ms.

Maybe NRS can include messages on loading screen that says:
"Plug in an Ethernet cable to have better online experience"
"Don't have multiple devices on your Internet while Playing online matches"

Just kind of educate the McDonalds WiFi players.

 

[magandi]

If your only argument is "good players don't use wifi" then you're never gonna get what you want.

https://www.reddit.com/r/StreetFighter/comments/5yd2l8

 

[appo]

If your only argument is "good players don't use wifi" then you're never gonna get what you want.

you did not even understood what you quoted. read again dumbass

 

[TheGlow]

https://www.reddit.com/r/StreetFighter/comments/5yd2l8

Exactly. I can stream videos over plex on my local network and also host torrents and there is no impact to my gaming latency because I'm wired, its a small fraction of my pipe. Once you go wireless, everything is a factor.

For instance I opted to pay $40 a month more for at&t fiber vs comcast. Comcast was giving me something like 200 down, 80 up, but at&t was 100 down, 100 up. Most people just see that 200 vs 100 down and think its bad, however at&t fiber gets me about 3ms to their office vs comcasts 8-10. It all goes up from there. Dont think of if as a 5-8ms ping difference but as 2-3x difference.

 

[trufenix]

https://www.reddit.com/r/StreetFighter/comments/5yd2l8

Are you... Explaining how WiFi works? Good job!

 

[magandi]

Are you... Explaining how WiFi works? Good job!

yes because apparently you lack the brainpower to understand why wifi players are bad for fighting games. now you may stay ignorant or go and buy a fucking lan cable. it really is not that hard.

 

[sub_on_dubs]

Get a powerline adapter guys if u can't direct connect

 

[Agilaz]

I would like to see a filter...

BUT ITS NOT GONNA SAVE YOU FROM GETTING D1xTHROWN BY YOLOMCYOLOFACE

HIYAAAAAAAA

 

[AREZ God of War]

I can stream videos over plex on my local network and also host torrents and there is no impact to my gaming latency because I'm wired,...

False. You won't feel the difference so you'll never even know but your opponent MAY (depending on the FG being played), but streaming generally does hinder your opponent's ability to react, wired or not. ANY devices using bandwidth while playing will likely have an effect on the game from what I have seen.

 

[theotherguy]

I might be wrong about this, but i'm pretty sure the ping you see at the challenge screen is the the opponents ping only. Then when you get in the game it will always be higher as it takes into account yours as well.

I constantly see 60ms local players but the in game ms is always 90-100, which makes sense to me as my ping hovers around 30-40ms depending on the day (wired btw).

So yes, there will always be a fluctuation depending on the routing between players, and WiFi players, and those watching netflix on another device while their mum checks her emails. But don't expect to see the same ping on the challenge screen as in game... it never happens (at least in my experience).

 

[TheGlow]

False. You won't feel the difference so you'll never even know but your opponent MAY (depending on the FG being played), but streaming generally does hinder your opponent's ability to react, wired or not. ANY devices using bandwidth while playing will likely have an effect on the game from what I have seen.

When I meant streaming plex its all internal. My pc hosting to other rokus/phones on the same network. I have cat6 and gigabit routers and switches so those only take a fraction of my bandwidth and don't impede my external connection at all.
Whereas wifi devices have to compete with each other on the same network.
If I'm not mistaken standard consumer wireless is also half duplex, meaning it can only upload or download at the same time, not both. Wired is full duplex so it can send and receive data simultaneously. And again I believe its also from a routers perspective so if you have your phone on checking emails constantly, app updates, etc, your console has to pause and wait in line while competing for time against those devices.

 

[OzzFoxx]

I’m sending this message over WiFi right now. Try and stop me.

 

[trufenix]

yes because apparently you lack the brainpower to understand why wifi players are bad for fighting games. now you may stay ignorant or go and buy a fucking lan cable. it really is not that hard.

Never said WiFi players are good or bad for fighting games. Keep at it though, you're almost there.

 

[TheGlow]

I’m sending this message over WiFi right now. Try and stop me.

I cant, latency keeps dropping my inputs. You win this


time.

 

[lionheart21]

Get a powerline adapter guys if u can't direct connect

I'll look into that, thanks.

By doing a little looking into it, that looks like the way to go for me. Just need to do some more research.

 

[ShadyHeart]

Yeah ban me from a huge chunk of the playerbase just because I have wifi even though it works flawlessly and is fast af. There's a difference between having wifi and having bad internet.

 

[theotherguy]

it works flawlessly and is fast af. There's a difference between having wifi and having bad internet.

True. For me i'd rather play a stable wifi user over a shitty wired connection, but it doesn't change the fact that it's still inherently worse than a wired connection simply because of the technical limitations. There's no way around that.

Yeah ban me from a huge chunk of the playerbase

And that is where you're wrong. The only people that are going to get screwed over are wired players. As has been said before, there seems to be more wifi players than wired. So while nothings going to change for you, the wired players are going to start complaining that they have no competition or have to wait too long between games.

On the flip side, they won't complain as they'll (we'll) be getting 100% perfect games every time...right?

 

[TheGlow]

As a matter of fact my connection out to the living has been acting up. It seems like it could be the wiring, so I just redid it and its 117º in the attic.

 

[AREZ God of War]

As a matter of fact my connection out to the living has been acting up. It seems like it could be the wiring, so I just redid it and its 117º in the attic.

Omg man I got halfway through reading this and your lag froze my whole console!!! Why don't you just use 5mb Wi-Fi? That will fix everything... Damn you, now i have to reset my 1999 router and wait for it to start ringing

 

[sub_on_dubs]

Yeah ban me from a huge chunk of the playerbase just because I have wifi even though it works flawlessly and is fast af. There's a difference between having wifi and having bad internet.

Do some research on wired vs wireless for gaming. Please stop spreading misinformation.

 

[magandi]

Yeah ban me from a huge chunk of the playerbase just because I have wifi even though it works flawlessly...

it doesn't

 

[AREZ God of War]

Do some research on wired vs wireless for gaming. Please stop spreading misinformation.

Ok so the hard part has always been making believers out of people who don't know the feel the latency a wired player (especially with an overall faster connection ) experiences vs a Wi-Fi player so it will require some patience to explain why it feels great to them but not to US

 

[Ashesfall]

The only people that are going to get screwed over are wired players. As has been said before, there seems to be more wifi players than wired.

that is one of the most stupid shit i have read in a long time about this topic ...

i would rather play not at all any (fast-pace) online game instead of shitty wi-fi ...
(of course(!) some fights on wi-fi can run ok but how can someone think a frame intense fast game (such as fighting games) can not lose "inputs" where "data" "flys" through the air ...)

wi-fi is ok for everything except (competitive) gaming. end of story
(and if the wi-fi players dont care for the "best" experience, its also ok but why should the wired player feel the same "ok"?)

but lets go into detail on that sentence:
so if the wired players have the option(!) to turn on a wi-fi filter, how can that effect wired players in ANY way, IF they have the choice?
"oh i dont find players? guess i need(!) to turn off the filter ..." problem solved (new problem back on) ... but in reality it will be the other way around, wi-fi players will find less and less good connections and than when they also start to suffer under shitty "lag spikes" they might start to change that, IF they really care and enjoy good online gaming.

i play on PC and wired here is for sure a thing (yes most PC gamers are aware of wired=better connection=more fun) dont know about your system and your living area.
(there are for sure areas where wi-fi is more common then in other areas)

ps: if for what ever reason everyone should play on wi-fi and 80%+ of all games suffer under lag spikes, i would straight become a offline only gamer ... but this wont happen, most (real)gamers care for a good connection.
everyone else defending that "trash", only does that because they are to lazy to change it.
(or worse, not possible to change, as they play their league games in McDonalds xD)