Should a backdash really cost a stamina bar?

[Error]

Also how come if I say I don't like the fact characters can safe 50/50 with no repercussions it's just "level up bro"?

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[Killphil]

How is "it's boring" a good argument? Also how come if I say I don't like the fact characters can safe 50/50 with no repercussions it's just "level up bro"?

level up bro.

 

[pzea]

I don't mind it costing stamina, I just wish it maybe had a bit more invincibility to make it more worth the cost. I don't want people back dashing forever, but I would like the few back dashes that people use to be more useful. The invincibility frames are a little too short imo.

 

[KC H0oKsw0rds]

Back dashing is easy. Just pick Tanya and ia tele to full screen. Rinse repeat and enjoy yourself.

 

[Under_The_Mayo]

Yes please. Give me free backdashes as quan chi.

 

[Method]

Backdashes should either:

A) Cost stamina

B) Suck ass

But not both.

Right now it's both.

 

[UsedForGlue]

Yes.

Because it costs me my stamina bar to chase down a player that is back dashing after his/her block string.

 

[Deleted member 9158]

It should only cost 1/4 of a bar. Just like how push block should cost only one bar of meter. That's an entirely different thread topic though

 

[Wemfs]

Yep, there's definitely no anti-airing in MKX

What, I need a corner for me to be able to convert off an anti-air?

I bet I can't even use low-profiling attacks to avoid jump in attacks

Pfft that's just one character, what are zoners supposed to do?

Well, sure. But Kenshi's been broke since MK9

But...

Sure, but can you do it against characters like Scorpion?

And one more for good measure

@Protagonist_1 Could you start running a course for people to enrol in or something?

Cool gifs, but you're only showcasing three characters and only 1 single zoning character. You should showcase every single characters options when anti-airing and more than 1 zoner ffs. Cherry picking bro.

 

[Shark Tank]

It should only cost 1/4 of a bar. Just like how push block should cost only one bar of meter. That's an entirely different thread topic though

That was one of the changes I suggested in my thread. If you're going to charge me I want a fair price. Half is too high especially when I need ABSOLUTELY 100% to break, so one back dashes and then he uses his half-screen oh starter I'm fucked either way.

 

[Zoidberg747]

Cool gifs, but you're only showcasing three characters and only 1 single zoning character. You should showcase every single characters options when anti-airing and more than 1 zoner ffs. Cherry picking bro.

Its not cherry picking. Look at any high level gameplay and you will see Anti-Airing going on. Anti-Airing is the one aspect of the defensive game that doesnt need buffing because you have so many options(Some options work better for some characters than others, gotta figure out which):

D2
Standing/Down 1
Trip Guarding
Low profile moves
Backdash
Forward dash under them
Air to Air
NJP

Thats not even mentioning character specific options.

 

[Mighty Durpyena]

Make it cost less stamina, because if you just make it cost no stamina, there's bound to be some broken shit to come along with that.

 

[Wemfs]

Its not cherry picking. Look at any high level gameplay and you will see Anti-Airing going on. Anti-Airing is the one aspect of the defensive game that doesnt need buffing because you have so many options(Some options work better for some characters than others, gotta figure out which):

D2
Standing/Down 1
Trip Guarding
Low profile moves
Backdash
Forward dash under them
Air to Air
NJP

Thats not even mentioning character specific options.

Anti-Airing is one thing, but converting into any substantial damage is another. JIK's beat out most anti-air attempts.

 

[Zoidberg747]

Anti-Airing is one thing, but converting into any substantial damage is another. JIK's beat out most anti-air attempts.

Uh since when does doing damage constitute a good anti air? In Street Fighter you get way less damage for Anti airing than in MKx as it is usually like one DP or one uppercut. In MKX you can convert into combos off of half of those options and the other half lead to a full combo punish.

 

[Wemfs]

Uh since when does doing damage constitute a good anti air? In Street Fighter you get way less damage for Anti airing than in MKx as it is usually like one DP or one uppercut. In MKX you can convert into combos off of half of those options and the other half lead to a full combo punish.

Touche

 

[Bildslash]

Name a fighting game where the defensive options are close in number & use to the offensive ones

Street Fighter 3rd Strike, Guilty Gear, Garou: Mark of the Wolves, Capcom vs SNK 2.

 

[Error]

Yes.

Because it costs me my stamina bar to chase down a player that is back dashing after his/her block string.

Forward dashes don't cost any stamina, and you can't equate run to back dashes when you can cancel it any time with anything.

 

[Error]

If players are able to play defensively well in this game, that's a clear indication that those who are unable to, just need to level up. If these players (who are known for good defensive play) were struggling in this game, there would be a case for more defensive options to be implemented. That's not the case here.

Hadn't seen this, but both of them play characters that are consistently able to be + on block and then build a bar back with the follow up block string(KL/Tanya), can't really agree that being able to block/tech throws a lot(DJT is impossible to open up comment) and constantly put your opponent at -27 while chipping them out means that MKX is a game withh good defense. In fact, sounds more like the old, "a strong offense is the best defense."

Also, if we followed that logic that MKX defense options are good because DJT defense is good, then Chris G winning a lot with Green Arrow would mean that GA is actually top tier and other GA players need to level up.

Might be some typos because I'm using a dumb tablet

 

[Jb879212]

Nah man, they're fine. Injustice backdashes need more. MKX is fine. Doctor Stabs vs Michelangelo at ECT pools would show everyone.

I watched after perusing this thread, after that match combined with @SneakyTortoise 's anti-scrub material I'm starting to lean more towards the defense is ok argument. My only quarrel is that I feel like some characters can't be backdashed universal buff or not. i.e Erron Black.

 

[haketh]

Street Fighter 3rd Strike, Guilty Gear, Garou: Mark of the Wolves, Capcom vs SNK 2.

Do you see parry anymore in any way close to what it was in 3S? Do you see anything like Garou JD anymore? CVS2 is the one I'm willing to give you but even then the defensive mechanics I. CVS2 weren't all that strong especially the ones brought over from the aforementioned games.

Instead of asking for things like better backdashes id rather see normals for certain archetypes played with. Like characters such as Cybernetic Kano being able to truly cancel things like D4 into Knives to build more threat in spaces like that & defensively space. Invul backdashes are a wack defensive option more devs are starting to realize don't really have a place in games paced like MK & SF. Offense in these games isn't as strong as it is in games like Guilty Gear or Melty where it's needed.

 

[number2headband]

I've tried to find this Doctor Stabs video, and can't. Can a scrub get a link?

 

[Error]

I've tried to find this Doctor Stabs video, and can't. Can a scrub get a link?

I'm about to go to bed, but he's in pool 2 and there are some archive links here so look around

http://testyourmight.com/threads/east-coast-throwdown-2015-mkx-viewers-guide-guide-hype-updates.53352/

 

[Eddy Wang]

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@Protagonist_1 Could you start running a course for people to enrol in or something?

There is no denying that DJT is a great player indeed with a extremely good defense, but there is a few things you need to know about the characters he plays and why he chooses such option on his game plans

Sub-Zero in MKX is known for having a good standing normal capable of anti-airing other characters, this is yesterday news and its not surprising at all, pretty sure Tanya Standing 2 hitbox and Johnny Cage D1 and standing 1 fills the same criteria, however a lot of other characters are lacking in this department.

Which is why he choses to anti-air with armor when playing Kenshi, other criteria some other characters are lacking since not every armored move is designed to anti-air.

If everyone across the cast could have one or another anti-airing pretty sure anti-airing wouldn't be a discussion, though i agree that some of those can be avoided by low profiling, run under, trip guarding on a good read, but still some characters walk way too slower to avoid jump attacks, Johnny Cage has one of the best walkspeeds in the game, Kenshi too.

 

[BenGmanUk]

Back dashes in general need to be better, how that's best implemented I don't know. Personally I think the game would be better without a stamina bar, as well as the run mechanic.

I still dislike pure zoning, but the general weakness of it bar a couple of character exceptions feels wrong.

 

[OG Mannimal]

@SneakyTortoise just dropped the hammer on this thread with that .gif illustration. Well done.

How? This thread is about back dashes not anti airing