Shang Tsung Frame Data

[Somberness]

How to understand this.
Execution
1 - 9
1,2 - 17
1,2,1 - 19
1,2,2 - 19
1,3 - 16
2 - 12
2,2 - 18
2,2,1 - 17
2,2,B+4 - 20
3 - 18
4 - 28
D+1 - 6
D+2 - 18
D+3 - 7
D+4 - 12
B+1 - 9
B+1,2 - 11
B+1,2,1 - 15
B+1,2,1,4 - 17
B+2 - 20
B+4 - 21
F+2 - 11
F+3 - 22
F+3,4 - 19
F+4 - 10
F+4,3 - 16
F+4,3,4 - 20
Throw - 10
Fire Skull - 21
Fire Skull (full screen) - 54
Up Skull - 57
Ground Skull - 29
Soul Steal - 24
Triple Skulls - 21
Triple Skulls (full screen) - 54
Skull Storm - 57
Ground Eruption (first fireball) - 21
Ground Eruption (second fireball) - 36
Ground Eruption (third fireball) - 51
Soul Capture - 18
Your Soul Is Mine - 20

Block Advantage
1 - 0
1,2 - 0
1,2,1 - 0
1,2,2 - 0
1,3 - -4
2 - 0
2,2 - -2
2,2,1 - 0
2,2,B+4 - -5
3 - -4
4 - 0
D+1 - -13
D+2 - +6
D+3 - -7
D+4 - 0
B+1 - 0
B+1,2 - -11
B+1,2,1 - -7
B+1,2,1,4 - -12
B+2 - 0
B+4 - 0
F+2 - 0
F+3 - -13
F+3,4 - -17
F+4 - -3
F+4,3 - -4
F+4,3,4 - -10
Fire Skull - -14
Up Skull - +30
Ground Skull - +2
Soul Steal - +1
Triple Skulls - -15
Skull Storm - +30
Ground Eruption (first fireball) - -9
Ground Eruption (second fireball) - +6
Ground Eruption (third fireball) - +21
Soul Capture - +1
Your Soul Is Mine - -27

Hit Advantage
1 - 0
1,2 - 0
1,2,1 - +41
1,2,2 - +4
1,3 - +3
2 - +5
2,2 - +3
2,2,1 - +47
2,2,B+4 - +23
3 - +4
4 - +9
D+1 - +1
D+2 - +42
D+3 - +3
D+4 - +8
B+1 - +5
B+1,2 - +2
B+1,2,1 - +33
B+1,2,1,4 - +34
B+2 - +45
B+4 - +22
F+2 - +4
F+3 - +2
F+3,4 - +24
F+4 - +3
F+4,3 - +2
F+4,3,4 - +41
Forward Throw - +10
Backward Throw - +10
Fire Skull - +5
Up Skull - +43
Ground Skull - +64
Soul Steal - 0
Triple Skulls - +4
Skull Storm - +43
Ground Eruption (first fireball) - +109
Ground Eruption (second fireball) - +101
Ground Eruption (third fireball) - +79
Soul Capture - 0
Your Soul Is Mine - +48

Duration
1 - 24
1,2 - 43
1,2,1 - 76
1,2,2 - 74
1,3 - 60
2 - 30
2,2 - 56
2,2,1 - 76
2,2,B+4 - 90
3 - 43
4 - 54
D+1 - 25
D+2 - 51
D+3 - 20
D+4 - 37
B+1 - 22
B+1,2 - 56
B+1,2,1 - 72
B+1,2,1,4 - 103
B+2 - 41
B+4 - 48
F+2 - 37
F+3 - 62
F+3,4 - 85
F+4 - 40
F+4,3 - 52
F+4,3,4 - 86
Throw - 36
Fire Skull - 55
Up Skull - 53
Ground Skull - 47
Soul Steal - 50
Triple Skulls - 92
Skull Storm - 53
Ground Eruption - 50
Soul Capture - 44
Your Soul Is Mine - 74

Cancel Advantage (block)
1 - +16
1,2 - +16
1,2,2 - +24
1,3 - +19
2 - +23
2,2 - +16
2,2,1 - +26
3 - +13
4 - +25
D+1 - +1
D+3 - +2
D+4 - +23
B+1 - +15
B+1,2 - +15
B+1,2,1 - +18
B+1,2,1,4 - +24
B+2 - +25
F+2 - +21
F+3 - +21
F+3,4 - +19
F+4 - +25
F+4,3 - +20
F+4,3,4 - +28

Cancel Advantage (hit)
1 - +24
1,2 - +22
1,2,2 - +21
1,3 - +26
2 - +19
2,2 - +21
3 - +21
4 - +33
D+1 - +15
D+3 - +12
D+4 - +29
B+1 - +13
B+1,2 - +28
F+2 - +24
F+3 - +36
F+4 - +31
F+4,3 - +25

Miscellaneous
Breaker - +1

 

[Name v.5.0]

He's so slow...pluh. why are his skulls so damn slow.

 

[GGA soonk]

Because they're advantage on block. If they were fast you'd never get out.

 

[eskuAdradit0]

Awesome, this really solves some inner questions I had.

 

[spongebob]

Gj these are on ps3 right? I recall hearing ex ss got even faster after the patch.

 

[Somberness]

Nope, not PS3.

 

[THTB]

He's so slow...pluh. why are his skulls so damn slow.

9f jabs and 10f command normals are not slow whatsoever.

 

[LOCO]

shang is much faster than i thought
this is...
good

 

[eskuAdradit0]

Can you post the screencaps of the soul steal?
With the latest patch, I've been hit after getting the first hit on the soul steal and therefore not morphing at all. I don't like second hit being blockable.

I believe frame data on first and second hit would be really hepful. Do you know when does exactly one morph?

 

[Somberness]

Not going to post any shots but the second hit is 16 frames after the first, and by frame 40 after the first hit, he changes character.

 

[cR WoundCowboy]

XXZ- could you tell me the amount of frame advantage off of a blocked upskull? Also, this is more of a general question, but I was wondering if F+4,3,4 is uninterruptable after a successful D+1 and D+3 (armor moves excluded). Thanks in advance and keep up the good work

 

[LEGEND]

i was wondering why my rushdown Shang was so effective, looks like his normals are way faster than i thought

 

[Somberness]

XXZ- could you tell me the amount of frame advantage off of a blocked upskull? Also, this is more of a general question, but I was wondering if F+4,3,4 is uninterruptable after a successful D+1 and D+3 (armor moves excluded). Thanks in advance and keep up the good work

upskull - +30
d+1 hit advantage = +1 (0 for a standing attack)
d+3 hit advantage = +3 (+2 for a standing attack)

F4 not guaranteed, but close after a d3 lands. I didn't test it but I am sure you could get it after a d4.

 

[funkdoc]

Wanting to know the advantage on upskull is kinda strange...I would think ground skull would be the more relevant one.

 

[Somberness]

I posted the ground skull advantage in the ask thread.

 

[Name v.5.0]

9f jabs and 10f command normals are not slow whatsoever.

I said his skulls were slow. I love Shang's normals.

 

[eskuAdradit0]

Does anybody know the frame advantage on D4 to hit? Is D4 xx Close Ground Skull a good idea?

 

[Somberness]

Does anybody know the frame advantage on D4 to hit? Is D4 xx Close Ground Skull a good idea?

+8. Yes, but it can be countered if the down 4 is blocked because you would be -8 if you cancelled into a ground skull.

 

[eskuAdradit0]

+8. Yes, but it can be countered if the down 4 is blocked because you would be -8 if you cancelled into a ground skull.

On hit it's +8...hmmm...I'm guessing that on hit I don't wanna cancel it to a close ground skull then.

Oh and, on block since I'm a -8, they have a 2 frames window or a 3 frames window to punish? I've always wondered that. I'm guessing that on block I wanna cancel it with a close ground skull

Btw, is F4 xx Close Gr. Skull interruptable by, let's say, Smoke's shake?

 

[LEGEND]

On hit it's +8...hmmm...I'm guessing that on hit I don't wanna cancel it to a close ground skull then.

Oh and, on block since I'm a -8, they have a 2 frames window or a 3 frames window to punish? I've always wondered that. I'm guessing that on block I wanna cancel it with a close ground skull

Btw, is F4 xx Close Gr. Skull interruptable by, let's say, Smoke's shake?

i don't think smoke's shake works on ground skulls, don't quote me on that

i have had people use an armored move to get out of it before though

 

[Faded Dreams V]

i don't think smoke's shake works on ground skulls, don't quote me on that

i have had people use an armored move to get out of it before though

Shake works on ground skulls.

 

[eskuAdradit0]

Shake works on ground skulls.

So it'll probably interrupt it then... I'll do some testing when I get home.

EDIT: Yes, it can be stuffed, and is certainly not that hard.

I'll be making a post with Shang's weaknesses just for the sake of it.

 

[Somberness]

Updated.

 

[eskuAdradit0]

Updated.

Call me stupid, but can you do some further explanation on what "cancel advantage" is?

 

[Somberness]

Call me stupid, but can you do some further explanation on what "cancel advantage" is?

It's just the frame difference of you and your opponent when the move is blocked or lands, except this is for when you cancel into a special. The difference is the first frame of the special attack to the first frame of recovery of the opponent. F4~ground skull combos because the cancel advantage on hit is more than the startup of ground skull, and it isn't the end of a string of course.