hahahah ^ LOVED THAT.If you're going to come to a site known for developing and discussing high-level competitive strategies -- especially one that takes such a divisive (and often volatile) stand on tier lists -- and start predicting tiers, it would be beneficial to imbue more objective facts into your arguments.
I understand we all have varying levels of competitive fighting game experience, and that's absolutely fine because everyone is here to learn, but proclaiming someone to be "top tier" on a site like this is typically considered a statement meant to be followed by convincing arguments supported by facts. You have to be particularly careful when the game isn't even out and you're judging characters based on a build 5 months old for which the goal was to simply be playable. Allow me to explain, and please understand that in no way am I attempting to be facetious, aggressive or negative:
In the case of Batman:
You argue that he's Batman, and thus he's likely top tier stuff. Oddly enough, Batman was garbage in MK vs DC; which is a lot like Scorpion being mediocre or straight up bad, but that's exactly what happened in MK9. If we're going to discuss why Batman would or could be fantastic and do so convincingly, you'd have to mention his wealth of combo-granting anti-airs, versatile pressure options due to distance granting combo strings and his remarkable air approach game made possible by his ambiguous glide-assisted jump-ins (supplemented by remote bat safejump setups).
In the case of The Flash:
You mentioned the build 5 months old in which people used the Flash because of his simple 50% combos that are likely to be removed. Instead, we should discuss the things unlikely to be removed that work in the Flash's favor, notably: his ability to phase through projectiles and his time slow, which can be used to circumvent zoning, apply dirty, dirty mixups or extend combos.
In the case of Green Arrow.
Green Arrow has the ability to initiate combos from full screen and covers almost every approach angle thanks to the bow-aiming ability. Being able to hold his shots and even jump is like a more developed, and subsequently more effective version of Stryker's gun stalling. Additionally, his ability to presumably cancel blockstrings into his leaping arrow special serves as a way to re-establish distance once someone finally gets in.
Note: I don't necessarily believe these characters will be top tier whatsoever, I'm just giving examples of a more developed argument which would serve as the foundation for an objective tier list discussion. The most important word here is "objective" because subjectivity will often get you nowhere in a tier list discussion. I also don't think there should be any real tier list discussions until a while after the game's release.
Anywho, all this technical stuff is only really necessary on sites like this because "tier list" can be a taboo word if thrown around dauntlessly and can even be interpreted as a declaration of war in some instances. It seems silly, it really does, but it's a mentality sites like this develop for the best interest of the community. To be completely sincere, there's plenty of negative effects an oversaturation of knee-jerk or uninformed tier-related proclamations can have on a game and its community. I've seen it happen and the results are never pretty.
With that said:
Note 2: Yes, I was aware that absolutely nobody would care about this half-way through writing it but the teacher in me wouldn't let me stop. Please accept his mildly humorous image (see above) as compensation for this ridiculous expatiation.
talk about bitch slap
Video please?i'm sorry what
have you not seen his kabal-sektor zoning? that shit's gonna be nerfed day 1 if it hasn't already.
why are you only looking at the damage though? batman's already looking stupid good thanks to his crazy mobility + the electric bats supposedly make moves unpunishable and let him continue pressure. I honestly think Harley will do pretty good though, cartwheel and the guns are nice but so far her gimmick is horrible.
If you're going to come to a site known for developing and discussing high-level competitive strategies -- especially one that takes such a divisive (and often volatile) stand on tier lists -- and start predicting tiers, it would be beneficial to imbue more objective facts into your arguments.
I understand we all have varying levels of competitive fighting game experience, and that's absolutely fine because everyone is here to learn, but proclaiming someone to be "top tier" on a site like this is typically considered a statement meant to be followed by convincing arguments supported by facts. You have to be particularly careful when the game isn't even out and you're judging characters based on a build 5 months old for which the goal was to simply be playable. Allow me to explain, and please understand that in no way am I attempting to be facetious, aggressive or negative:
In the case of Batman:
You argue that he's Batman, and thus he's likely top tier stuff. Oddly enough, Batman was garbage in MK vs DC; which is a lot like Scorpion being mediocre or straight up bad, but that's exactly what happened in MK9. If we're going to discuss why Batman would or could be fantastic and do so convincingly, you'd have to mention his wealth of combo-granting anti-airs, versatile pressure options due to distance granting combo strings and his remarkable air approach game made possible by his ambiguous glide-assisted jump-ins (supplemented by remote bat safejump setups).
In the case of The Flash:
You mentioned the build 5 months old in which people used the Flash because of his simple 50% combos that are likely to be removed. Instead, we should discuss the things unlikely to be removed that work in the Flash's favor, notably: his ability to phase through projectiles and his time slow, which can be used to circumvent zoning, apply dirty, dirty mixups or extend combos.
In the case of Green Arrow.
Green Arrow has the ability to initiate combos from full screen and covers almost every approach angle thanks to the bow-aiming ability. Being able to hold his shots and even jump is like a more developed, and subsequently more effective version of Stryker's gun stalling. Additionally, his ability to presumably cancel blockstrings into his leaping arrow special serves as a way to re-establish distance once someone finally gets in.
Note: I don't necessarily believe these characters will be top tier whatsoever, I'm just giving examples of a more developed argument which would serve as the foundation for an objective tier list discussion. The most important word here is "objective" because subjectivity will often get you nowhere in a tier list discussion. I also don't think there should be any real tier list discussions until a while after the game's release.
Anywho, all this technical stuff is only really necessary on sites like this because "tier list" can be a taboo word if thrown around dauntlessly and can even be interpreted as a declaration of war in some instances. It seems silly, it really does, but it's a mentality sites like this develop for the best interest of the community. To be completely sincere, there's plenty of negative effects an oversaturation of knee-jerk or uninformed tier-related proclamations can have on a game and its community. I've seen it happen and the results are never pretty.
With that said:
Note 2: Yes, I was aware that absolutely nobody would care about this half-way through writing it but the teacher in me wouldn't let me stop. Please accept his mildly humorous image (see above) as compensation for this ridiculous expatiation.
video of what?
Lol I sure as hell hope so.
SOoooo, coming from a guy who played the game FCP/EMP Scar... Do you think there's any hope for Grundy? <Come on we all saw your post, with your playtest video>
lmao dude that wasnt real i really didnt have a copy haha, get trolled bro!
I'm going to have to disagree. For a game like this, I think online will be filled by characters who fall into one of two classes: Popular characters and zoning characters.
