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Name v.5.0

Name v.5.0

Iowa's Finest.
PS4
Demi God
Johnny Cage only
W/L: 77-49

I would say around 25 of those losses are from other Demi Gods. Doing this with Cage is so incredibly difficult. He just has too many bad MUs vs the top tiers, and that’s 80% of what I see in DG. Scorpion is also a problem, not because he’s a bad MU but that fight is always a crap shoot and you see him every three fights. Even so...going to see how far I can take this character.


I’m wondering if others who play the bottom half of the cast are experiencing the same issue.
 
MKF30

MKF30

Fujin and Ermac for MK 11
Paul the Octopus said:
It’s not perfectly balanced by any means, but no game is. Relative to other fighting games, and certainly previous NRS games, I think the balance is pretty good.

I play mostly bone picker, who I don’t believe is considered top tier, and I feel like my level of play is not particularly good, but still beat the top tiers enough to be in Demi-god. When I watch my matches, I notice tons of mistakes and suboptimal play, and I still don’t get steam rolled by the top tier.

Unless you are in the top 100 players or better, I really doubt it’s your character holding you back. You are probably making tons of mistakes like I am and will do better if you just fix those. Sure playing a top tier makes it a little easier but that’s not the biggest problem for most of us.
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Overall it's playable from that perspective, most fighting games now days are. That's not to say that it can't use some tweaks, patches etc which I'm sure it will. The game hasn't had a balance patch for everyone yet so I'm sure some of these characters will be addressed.

Baraka is one of the best up close characters in the game and has some of the best AA's. We saw Tweedy go pretty damn far with him as well. Good damage too. I have beaten the tops with Raiden, Jade and LK it's just serious work since they're mids. Sonya I play more casually as far as when I use her, I know her combos, D1 is awesome etc, her mix ups I just find her easier to use compared to the others. Yeah I mean I won't say I get flawlessed or steamrolled, it's just the same that most have issues with. There are things about those tops that people have issues with for good reason. I'm Grand Master currently about to hit Demi-God, I've competed and/or beaten people with better records or winning % than me. So my rank changes, sometimes I've been top 100, top 150, top 300 depending on the rank. Not that this matters anyway since people can cheat or boost. I'm not the ultimate best players in MK 11 but I'm far, far, far from the worst. My main style is zoning people out with a good mid range game. I prefer to keep you far with the games meta rather than just try to go for the fancy 40%+ combos with KB's or even without them. If I get a chance I'll use a combo but my characters aren't combo heavy.

We all make mistakes but this doesn't negate the fact that some characters are clearly stronger than others and may need some tweaking, what I'm saying. Even "pros" make mistakes sometimes in matches. We're human, nobody is perfect lol.
 
Hot_DNA

Hot_DNA

Mortal
FreshFromTheDeli said:
  • Console: PS4
  • Rank: Grand Master
  • Points: 3155
  • Position: 1814
  • W/L: 71-54
  • Character: Frost & D'vorah only switching to Jade against zoning characters. I was actually on a 9 win streak against Grandmasters, of course Liu Kang had to end it.
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I had a 5 game win streak against grandmasters and the teleport version of Lui Kang ended my streak as well lol
 
Hot_DNA

Hot_DNA

Mortal
FreshFromTheDeli said:
Both of his variations are a nightmare to deal with it. I feel your pain.
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I only play jade and the regular LK variation doesnt bother me at all....I rather fight a lui kang than a Kano cuz I know what to expect... the teleport variation drives me crazy.. Its moreso his staggers and strings
 
FreshFromTheDeli

FreshFromTheDeli

FrostFromTheDeli
Hot_DNA said:
I only play jade and the regular LK variation doesnt bother me at all....I rather fight a lui kang than a Kano cuz I know what to expect... the teleport variation drives me crazy.. Its moreso his staggers and strings
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Yeah, that's true of most of the underused characters. I'd rather fight Liu Kang than let's say Kollector as I just don't know his strings well enough to know what's plus or can be interrupted.

I'm a Frost main and I would probably go ahead and say Liu Kang is her worst matchup. Her 9 frame D1 can't answer to his kicks and staggers. Have no idea why Tweedy used her against Perfect Legend in Top 8 CEO. Must be some tech against him I don't know yet.
 
Shanedawg1995

Shanedawg1995

Mortal
Demi God I play exclusively Baraka.So I have zero counter pics.I play alot and Im salty sometimes Lol 374 /360.I am a grinder like Tweedy Lol
 
Shanedawg1995

Shanedawg1995

Mortal
Name v.5.0 said:
PS4
Demi God
Johnny Cage only
W/L: 77-49

I would say around 25 of those losses are from other Demi Gods. Doing this with Cage is so incredibly difficult. He just has too many bad MUs vs the top tiers, and that’s 80% of what I see in DG. Scorpion is also a problem, not because he’s a bad MU but that fight is always a crap shoot and you see him every three fights. Even so...going to see how far I can take this character.


I’m wondering if others who play the bottom half of the cast are experiencing the same issue.
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I feel you Baraka my main I also have bad MU no pocket anti zoner!!
 
LawAbidingCitizen

LawAbidingCitizen

Bomb Setups & Ball Rolls(Mileena/Cyrax)
DixieFlatline78 said:
  1. That isn't what S-Tier means
  2. There are very few matchups that even come close to 7-3 in this game
  3. This game doesn't have a single character who overwhelmingly dominates the cast the way IJ1 Superman, T4 Steve, or O.Sagat did
  4. Even though the top five does shape the meta and win versus most of the cast, the matchups are closer to 6-4 or 5.5-4.5 and they have a few incidental matchups against mid/low tiers that they lose
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I agree this game is more balanced than previous titles and none of them may be 7-3 more like 6-4 but the top 5 definitely have very few bad matchups if any. What many pros have stated when making tier lists is that S means broke tier and some refer to it as very strong best if the best and also state they don't have hardly any bad matchups. But it depends on who you ask because they all have different definitions if what each Tier is some say C is garbage while others say its none exsistant in this game.
But there are polar opposites in our current tiers for example Geras is worlds apart from Kotal.
 
MKF30

MKF30

Fujin and Ermac for MK 11
Xbox One
Raiden
Demi God
3540
100/67

The ranking system seems a bit busted I won like 10 out of 13 prior to ranking up to DG and yet shit took forever...
 
Deadly Torcher

Deadly Torcher

King Dingaling
PS4
Grand Master ( no idea how as I'm crap)
Scorp Reborn
2500 + ( can't remember exactly)
W 57 L49

Was only playing KL to unlock the Scorp outfits & stopped.
 
Moms4lif3

Moms4lif3

Bruh.
Xbox
Grand Master 2545 points (made it today :) )
49w 20l
Thin Ice Sub Zero only

I think my w/l ratio will decline now that I got into higher ranks until 25 wins I had only 4 losses or so, but since master the matches got more difficult.

I still see TONS of people trying to cheese out wins, it can be really frustrating against WiFi warriors. I had at least 8 losses against people doing random stuff, it’s really irritating to me and sometimes I have trouble handling it. Does anyone feel the same? How do you guys handle it? Sometimes I feel like solid play is not the answer, against random/sporadic behavior it’s hard to play solid neutral. The typical jumpers and spammers are no issue anymore.
 
QueenOmega

QueenOmega

Apprentice
Moms4lif3 said:
Xbox
Grand Master 2545 points (made it today :) )
49w 20l
Thin Ice Sub Zero only

I think my w/l ratio will decline now that I got into higher ranks until 25 wins I had only 4 losses or so, but since master the matches got more difficult.

I still see TONS of people trying to cheese out wins, it can be really frustrating against WiFi warriors. I had at least 8 losses against people doing random stuff, it’s really irritating to me and sometimes I have trouble handling it. Does anyone feel the same? How do you guys handle it? Sometimes I feel like solid play is not the answer, against random/sporadic behavior it’s hard to play solid neutral. The typical jumpers and spammers are no issue anymore.
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Against random shit it's the easiest to play solid neutral. A dude mashing the controller shouldn't give you that much problems.
 
LawAbidingCitizen

LawAbidingCitizen

Bomb Setups & Ball Rolls(Mileena/Cyrax)
FreshFromTheDeli said:
Yeah, that's true of most of the underused characters. I'd rather fight Liu Kang than let's say Kollector as I just don't know his strings well enough to know what's plus or can be interrupted.

I'm a Frost main and I would probably go ahead and say Liu Kang is her worst matchup. Her 9 frame D1 can't answer to his kicks and staggers. Have no idea why Tweedy used her against Perfect Legend in Top 8 CEO. Must be some tech against him I don't know yet.
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There are multiple gaps in many of liu kangs strings, B34, 123, F43U3 and his normal stagger is -7 not very good but useable. I think his WSL variation with Teleport is the answer for zoners. Its like a free way to get in. Tweedy was comfortable with the MU and could beat Liu if he made the right reads.

I feel like WSL destroys Shang's zoning. I have no problem playing lohan quan, I simply punish the F43U3 gap once and then wait for the low FiReBall or Parry since both can be punished by reaction.
 
Moms4lif3

Moms4lif3

Bruh.
QueenOmega said:
Against random shit it's the easiest to play solid neutral. A dude mashing the controller shouldn't give you that much problems.
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Yea it’s not mashing that’s the problem but people who just do stuff whether it makes sense or not. I kinda got used to people not hitconfirming stuff, that was really hard for me but also letting strings rock even tho they don’t even connect and similar shit. It’s very irritating, I am trying just to let them hang themselves but it’s really hard ignoring things you’d normally react to in a certain way, because people don’t act like they should.

Even at grandmaster there’s hella people who play like this, i really don’t understand what they’re thinking lol
 
Scoot Magee

Scoot Magee

But I didn't want to dash
Kombatant 7-1 even though I clearly remember losing twice.

I honestly think this mode is unenjoyable even if connections are good. You dont learn anything. Play sets.
 
ChoseDeath

ChoseDeath

Seriously Casual Player.
Just got this. 9 days and 19 hours left.
PS4 (ChoseDeath)
Grand Master
2,522 points
47/31
Kotal Kahn only. 99% Ascension with a few matches of Totemic.
 
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