Poll: is nomad dash cancel worth the bar (and the slot)?

[TackyHaddock]

Trying to get community consensus on this point. Someone told me that REO mentioned on his stream that the Mk11 NDC is even better than the Mk9 version, but trying to understand why. Other than the bar usage, the biggest difference to me is that you seemingly cannot cancel the dash mid-dash or towards the end, but only right at the beginning, so it loses its Mk9 utility as a mobility tool. In Mk9 you could cancel it at the last second before hitting the opponent and then begin block pressure.

The bar usage point has been thoroughly discussed, but perhaps a bigger question is the slot usage. By selecting NDC, what are you sacrificing with that slot.

Also, if the cancel is not plus, perhaps it should not use a bar - this could then maybe justify the slot usage.

I may just be overly nostalgic here, but I'd love NDC to at least be a viable option without being broken or unfair.

 

[John Grizzly]

I would love to hear REO's reasons as to why he thinks this NDC is better than the MK9 version. I'm not questioning him at all, just very interested to hear his thoughts.

 

[The_Tile]

I feel like we'd have to know the exact frame data of the cancels from each string before we say if its good or not. I've been having great success with it using it for pressure after the restand but it's hard to say whether it's just gimmicks or not at this point. It's also good for safe/plus hitconfirms off F4 which really helps his counterpoking game.

The B12 cancel feels plus and 23 also feels slightly plus, I'm pretty sure 111 is negative though.

 

[xenogorgeous]

keep the 1 bar consume and the mandatory slot for it ...... anything to keep this mechanic in check and on leash, to avoid any stupid thing as occured in MK9 .... rsrsrsrs

 

[Joy Boy]

Hard to say at the moment. I think it should cost meter for sure otherwise it’d be a mess to have free cancels and pressure. I wouldn’t mind if it were base and didnt cost a slot but I think it needs to cost meter for sure.

 

[Peckapowa]

I feel it's not easy to deal with on reaction, but doesnt net a whole lot. I don't believe any of the strings are significantly plus (some are most certainly not plus) when canceled so its more of a guess. It seems best to reset to neutral or throw mixup. I really can't see why reo would think its on par with mk9 at all when mk9 dash is insane in neutral, doesn't have a cost and has consistently usable plus strings that atleast net you the poking advantage. I also think it's easier to confirm in mk9. Not saying it's bad but it's nowhere near mk9 unless i'm missing something.

 

[hatyr]

I was watching the set Gunshow uploaded between him and Dragon and he seemed to be getting decent mileage out of the cancels.

 

[Tony at Home]

Someone feel free to change my mind but still more worth it than the low special option.

That mixup with b12 is pretty dam fuzzyable

 

[TackyHaddock]

Someone feel free to change my mind but still more worth it than the low special option.

That mixup with b12 is pretty dam fuzzyable

are you referring to the low hook?

 

[AK Harold]

I think NDC with his kit makes a lot of sense against the flawless block meta. It keeps players honest if you NDC and throw etc.

 

[TackyHaddock]

Hard to say at the moment. I think it should cost meter for sure otherwise it’d be a mess to have free cancels and pressure. I wouldn’t mind if it were base and didnt cost a slot but I think it needs to cost meter for sure.

Yeah I think there is a strong argument for it being base and not costing a slot. If it already costs meter every time, you shouldn't have to sacrifice another move for it

 

[Wetdoba]

Does the added visual and audio cues from the mb flash make them easier to deal with? I have not played a Kabal that has used them yet.

 

[DarksydeDash]

I fought a really good Kabal last night who had the low grab with the dash cancel. He conditioned me so hard from finishing the strings that it became a mind game of if he was going to cancel the dash on block or not.

Seems very hard to react to and the reward is well worth it.

 

[AK Harold]

Kabal having the NDC baseline would be pretty harsh to other characters. It would be similar to having misery blades base which would be too powerful considering all the options it opens up.

 

[Joy Boy]

Kabal having the NDC baseline would be pretty harsh to other characters. It would be similar to having misery blades base which would be too powerful considering all the options it opens up.

The difference is that misery blade doesn’t cost meter to cancel. I do however prefer NDC to be the way it is than for it to be broken.

 

[TackyHaddock]

I was watching the set Gunshow uploaded between him and Dragon and he seemed to be getting decent mileage out of the cancels.

Could you link that?

 

[AK Harold]

@Joy Boy
Yeah but NDC is + a lot and can be done on any of his strings including his gaps that people try to flawless.

 

[SaltShaker]

REO mentioned on his stream that the Mk11 NDC is even better than the Mk9 version, but trying to understand why.

And MKX launch version Kitana was top 10. Remember? Pepperidge Farm remembers.

 

[Wetdoba]

It costs defensive meter right? So if someone goes for a cancel into throw and I D2 KB them then they will not have the meter to break away after so while strong they really just open up a new set of mind games and counter play options for both sides

 

[hatyr]

Could you link that?

Sure thing:

 

[DixieFlatline78]

It seems pretty good. I've played a few Kabals who used it and it caught me quite a bit, though my reactions aren't world class. I think it's weird that Jacqui has strings she cancel meterlessly but not Kabal. Maybe since you can see the start up of the dash it makes it harder to react to the cancel, or maybe because it's plus in certain situations and she can't

 

[MadPropz101]

Yes, I think it's better than the low hook, you can still dash cancel your oh strings and do a d4.

 

[AK Harold]

True but the low hook gives you that juicy crushing blow when you need it.

 

[Dankster Morgan]

And MKX launch version Kitana was top 10. Remember? Pepperidge Farm remembers.

I don’t remember if this was REO or who it was that said this, but a top player unironiclaly called Injustice 2 Joker the new MK9 Cyrax when the game came out....

 

[lionheart21]

Depends really on your playstyle and how much you use meter for other things. If you're going for more of a rushdown game and applying pressure, it seems almost mandatory for higher-level play.