Players bringing unfair attention to their own character?

[TakeAChance]

paulo disproved that.


WW is fine so what if foxy is fucking god like.
just cause i lose to a good lobo player doesnt mean lobo needs nerfs.

stream monsters & casuals are responsible for nerfs and they dont even play for $!
they just want to have an way easier time online.

Yes, and no.

Deathstroke was a problem for casuals and pros. Before the patch he was top 3 and destroyed 90% of the cast with chip. The nerf dumbed him down significantly, but it also didn't destroy the character.

No other character really has been normalized like Deathstroke was....and imo they did a good job normalizing him. Full screen projectile frame traps for no meter are stupid.

 

[M2Dave]

Yes, and no.

Deathstroke was a problem for casuals and pros. Before the patch he was top 3 and destroyed 90% of the cast with chip. The nerf dumbed him down significantly, but it also didn't destroy the character.

No other character really has been normalized like Deathstroke was....and imo they did a good job normalizing him. Full screen projectile frame traps for no meter are stupid.

You are a scrub.

 

[TakeAChance]

You are a scrub.

If M2Dave says it, it must be true.

 

[Zoidberg747]

Before I respond to this, I just want to make sure I'm understanding this. Can you elaborate on this a bit more?

He is saying that for people who are worse than bit, who dont want KF nerfed because they do not do as well with her anyway, should not matter when talking about nerfs.

So like, you can't say "16 Bit is just really good, KF is fine". It probably has something to do with the character.

THAT IS NOT MY OPINION. Just giving an interpretation. Why, you ask? ...Dunno, Koalas.

 

[redeyes]

Yes, and no.

Deathstroke was a problem for casuals and pros. Before the patch he was top 3 and destroyed 90% of the cast with chip. The nerf dumbed him down significantly, but it also didn't destroy the character.

No other character really has been normalized like Deathstroke was....and imo they did a good job normalizing him. Full screen projectile frame traps for no meter are stupid.

Im just saying high level players such as pig will work to Over come these problems where casuals & stream monsters just whine till NRS fixes it for them so they can be lazy. they gifted us with a god like practice yet no one uses it to help find ways around shit

 

[KingHippo]

I would also assume that any nerfs that happened within the first weeks of the game were pre-approved a few weeks in advance, which means no one possibly could have had an influence on them whatsoever. This appears to be a common misconception.

 

[M2Dave]

If M2Dave says it, it must be true.

This game has characters like Black Adam, Killer Frost, and Scorpion, and you are still crying about pre-patch Deathstroke? How does that not make you a scrub?

 

[TakeAChance]

Im just saying high level players such as pig will work to Over come these problems where casuals & stream monsters just whine till NRS fixes it for them so they can be lazy. they gifted us with a god like practice yet no one uses it to help find ways around shit

I agree with this completely. If you want to sift through the absolutely astounding amount of threads about Deathstroke you will see that I did not want him to be nerfed. I thought that his shit was going to get less and less viable over time.

Unfortunately, NRS did "normalize" him. I agree with their adjustments because all they did was stop mindless full screen guns. They kept the rest of his dirt.

If general m2dave paid attention to what I wrote he would know that I was an advocate of pre patch death stroke

If he talked to Tom or Pig about my stature of a player he would know my stance on training mode as well...

I will never be a top tier player...I don't have the time to commit to it and I am in a poor location...that does not mean that my thoughts and opinions are going to be invalid on a forum.

 

[Sage Leviathan]

superman was nerfed. his damage was normalized...

lol​

 

[TakeAChance]

This game has characters like Black Adam, Killer Frost, and Scorpion, and you are still crying about pre-patch Deathstroke? How does that not make you a scrub?

Show me a post where I cry about pre patch deathstroke...go ahead...sift through the bajillion threads. I didn't want him to be nerfed good sir.

 

[FrothyOmen]

Before I respond to this, I just want to make sure I'm understanding this. Can you elaborate on this a bit more?

I think that if you are not training to be the best INSERT CHARACTER HERE player you can be, you cannot seriously consider yourself a competitive player. At that point you are a casual player, and as such do not have any authority in saying "X strategy is OP" or "Y character needs buffs". It just doesn't work that way.

The point I'm trying to make is that players like 16 bit aren't bringing "unfair attention" to their character. They are bringing PROPER attention to their character. Everyone else is irrelevant and should be ignored in any discussion about "balance" or "fairness".

 

[Zoidberg747]

Im just saying high level players such as pig will work to Over come these problems where casuals & stream monsters just whine till NRS fixes it for them so they can be lazy. they gifted us with a god like practice yet no one uses it to help find ways around shit

But again, this theory can be disproven almost more than it can be proven?

People complained about BA divekick, what did NRS do? Nothing.
People complained about F23 breath, what did NRS do? Nothing.
People complained about KF, what did NRS do? Nerf that almost wasnt even a real nerf.
People complained about Batman, what did NRS do? Nothing.

Point is NRS has done a pretty good job so far of patching, and I think it is completely unfair to say they are just listening to casuals. The only big chnges in the game have been sinestros buffs, flashes buffs, and deathstrokes nerfs, and none of those characters have become broken or useless(according to anyone other than M2dave

 

[M2Dave]

Show me a post where I cry about pre patch deathstroke...go ahead...sift through the bajillion threads. I didn't want him to be nerfed good sir.

All right.

Deathstroke was a problem for casuals and pros. Before the patch he was top 3 and destroyed 90% of the cast with chip. The nerf dumbed him down significantly, but it also didn't destroy the character.

No other character really has been normalized like Deathstroke was....and imo they did a good job normalizing him. Full screen projectile frame traps for no meter are stupid.

 

[xInfra Deadx]

superman was nerfed. his damage was normalized...

One string was nerfed. He's still getting 40% midscreen and 60% in the corner.

 

[redeyes]

But again, this theory can be disproven almost more than it can be proven?

People complained about BA divekick, what did NRS do? Nothing.
People complained about F23 breath, what did NRS do? Nothing.
People complained about KF, what did NRS do? Nerf that almost wasnt even a real nerf.
People complained about Batman, what did NRS do? Nothing.

Point is NRS has done a pretty good job so far of patching, and I think it is completely unfair to say they are just listening to casuals. The only big chnges in the game have been sinestros buffs, flashes buffs, and deathstrokes nerfs, and none of those characters have become broken or useless(according to anyone other than M2dave

well the past they listened to casuals too much (MK9) but yes so far they are doing a good job making people adapt. they should keep on that.

 

[TakeAChance]

All right.

I see no complaining there. I see validation that Deathstroke was nerfed beyond any other character in the game so far, but I agreed with the nerfs simply because they addressed the super dumb aspect of his game.

I do not see any part of that post where I say it was warranted, it was needed, or I advocated the nerf itself. I simply agreed with their adjustments compared to what they could have done to the character. I also stated my opinion on meterless full screen projectile frame traps, which dates back to MK9 and Kreuger lol

I don't understand why you continue to cry about this...haven't you resigned yourself to Zod?

 

[chessmaster]

Im just saying high level players such as pig will work to Over come these problems where casuals & stream monsters just whine till NRS fixes it for them so they can be lazy. they gifted us with a god like practice yet no one uses it to help find ways around shit

Don't blame casuals and stream monsters. Blame NRS for listening to them.

 

[xInfra Deadx]

Yes, and no.

Deathstroke was a problem for casuals and pros. Before the patch he was top 3 and destroyed 90% of the cast with chip. The nerf dumbed him down significantly, but it also didn't destroy the character.

No other character really has been normalized like Deathstroke was....and imo they did a good job normalizing him. Full screen projectile frame traps for no meter are stupid.

No. Just no. People were starting to deal with Deathstroke's zoning before he got whacked with a nerf.

Because of that, some of us are waiting for more nerfs from known top tier characters (BA, Scorpion, Killer Frost, Aquaman, etc.).
If Deathstroke is gonna get his shit taken away, what about the others that are clearly a problem?

 

[redeyes]

Don't blame casuals and stream monsters. Blame NRS for listening to them.

they do what they have to do to make $.

we want the best FG, so does NRS, but they also have to make money. its easier to make changes catering to the millions of COD kids who bought their games so they stick around buy the sequel, DLC, etc. then it is to do what high level players want since were the minority atm.

 

[redeyes]

No. Just no. People were starting to deal with Deathstroke's zoning before he got whacked with a nerf.

Because of that, some of us are waiting for more nerfs from known top tier characters (BA, Scorpion, Killer Frost, Aquaman, etc.).
If Deathstroke is gonna get his shit taken away, what about the others that are clearly a problem?

Someones gotta be top tier. a game with out top tier's is boring man. if ever MU was 5-5 it would be a snore fest.

 

[M2Dave]

I see no complaining there. I see validation that Deathstroke was nerfed beyond any other character in the game so far, but I agreed with the nerfs simply because they addressed the super dumb aspect of his game.

I do not see any part of that thread where I say it was warranted, it was needed, or I advocated the nerf itself. I simply agreed with their adjustments compared to what they could have done to the character.

I don't understand why you continue to cry about this...haven't you resigned yourself to Zod?

There is still plenty of "super dumb" stuff in the game.

Nightwing's d,b+3 (staff), for example, does 6% of chip damage and builds tons of meter. Safe too. MB version juggles in the corner.

d+1 (staff) is 6F and +5 on block.

Safe 50/50 mix ups with f+1,2 and f+1,d+3.

Untechable knockdowns into free b,f+3 checks.

MB d,b+2 launches on hit and gives free pressure on block.

Etc.

So which "super dumb" aspect about Nightwing needs to be normalized first?

 

[TakeAChance]

No. Just no. People were starting to deal with Deathstroke's zoning before he got whacked with a nerf.

Because of that, some of us are waiting for more nerfs from known top tier characters (BA, Scorpion, Killer Frost, Aquaman, etc.).
If Deathstroke is gonna get his shit taken away, what about the others that are clearly a problem?

I agree, people who went into training mode were finding ways around his shit, myself included which is why I posted in the 50,000 don't nerf deathstroke threads that he should not be nerfed.

What I signified above was that NRS did a decent job of nerfing the dumb shit about the character while still leaving the character with some dirt. They didn't Jade nerf him.

 

[Phosferrax]

Dave what the fuck are you still whining about? TakeAChance didn't mention anything about Nightwing. Classic Dave, get's his argument stuffed so he pulls out some irrelevant shit, but will attempt to argue that it is.

 

[TakeAChance]

There is still plenty of "super dumb" stuff in the game.

Nightwing's d,b+3 (staff), for example, does 6% of chip damage and builds tons of meter. Safe too. MB version juggles in the corner.

d+1 (staff) is 6F and +5 on block.
Safe 50/50 mix ups with f+1,2 and f+1,d+3.
Untechable knockdowns into free b,f+3 checks.
MB d,b+2 launches on hit and gives free pressure on block.
Etc.
So which "super dumb" aspect about Nightwing needs to be normalized first?

MB version juggles pretty much everywhere into a grayson/b3.

Thing with Nightwing, is he has to spend a meter to guarantee another pound. That's fair. Every normal pound you can NJ out.

Why the fuck would I mix up with 1F2 and 1d3 when I can use 1f1 and 1f2?

Only if properly timed are they unpunishable, but other characters have OTG's as well. Nightwings would be on the Shitty end of the OTG scale...

The key distinction here is that Nightwing has to spend meter in his staff mode to destroy you.

Pushblocking kills him. Characters with air dashes pretty much all rape him...Anyone with a super good ji attack eats him alive.

He can't sit there and ground pound the whole match and win. He sacrifices his air interactables and mobility for his staff stance.

I don't know, why don't you recomend a nerf and I will tell you why he needs it.

 

[M2Dave]

Dave what the fuck are you still whining about? TakeAChance didn't mention anything about Nightwing. Classic Dave, get's his argument stuffed so he pulls out some irrelevant shit, but will attempt to argue that it is.

No, fool. I brought up Nightwing because this scrub keeps saying that Deathstroke is the only pre-patch character to have "super dumb" stuff. What about Black Adam? Killer Frost? Scorpion?

Deathstroke is the most "normalized" character in the game. I am not sure what tier he belongs in, but he is not tournament viable. He went from top 3 to bottom 10 within a patch.