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wsj515

This is my billionth life cycle.
Damn drama not juicy enough for some scrubs? Our scene's drama exposed?
There is no juice here. PL's juice ran dry a decade ago - literally the definition of stale.

You should start a FGC drama youtube channel where you post videos running through the latest washed up mk9 era personality BS - all of your thumbnails can be mirror selfies with an overreacted facial expression.
 

Lt. Boxy Angelman

I WILL EAT THIS GAME
It’s not about “taking a side”. What people are saying about SonicFox is either hypocritical, not logical, not true, or just simply makes no sense. That’s what I’m addressing


No one is saying that SonicFox is THE greatest fighting game player of all time. But he’s ONE of the greatest. That is backed up by his results and consistency. No amount of attempts to discredit that will make a difference



If you say so, but that’s not relevant to anything whatsoever


A lot of the arguments people have made in an attempt to discredit SonicFox are either subjective value judgments, or they’re saying things that either aren’t true, or there’s no evidence to back up their claims. Like saying that SF couldn’t hang with the Chilean Twins AND that’s why he quit playing MK11. Or that he’s never been able to compete in games outside of NRS games. These are objectively untrue statements. Then there’s the subjective arguments that he needs to have won a major in SF or Tekken to be considered one of the FGC goats. Again, that’s fine if you believe that, but it’s a completely unrealistic standard and one that’s never applied equally. Would you argue that Daigo, Tokido, Arslan, JDCR, Knee, etc need to have won a major in MK games, or really any games outside of Street Fighter or Tekken, in order for them to be considered one of the goats of the FGC? It’s a ridiculous standard, and other ones like it are for some reason only applied to SonicFox. THAT’S what I’m arguing against

¯\(ツ)
I can't argue with any of this except #3, because I feel like it's living in denial to act like things haven't been very strange the last few years in ways that have affected our scene drastically when it comes to NRS. And when the one person above all others that everyone knows they actually listen to just happens to be Fox...a bad look on top of a bad look is a really bad look, and a really bad look can do a lot to drive people away in the long term. But, that's me ¯\(ツ)/¯ .

And I'm not thinking about just being A GOAT, though...the thing about their situation is that if they did it, that's when other people have to explain how they AREN'T the greatest ever to live. That's a different kind of GOAT.
 

NinesFGC

Noob
Yes

Also, why does he need to win a major in SF or Tekken? Has any top SF or Tekken player won a major in MK? Do you know how many Street Fighter players who are some of the best SF6 players in the world still haven’t won a major? It’s a nonsense argument designed solely to discredit SonicFox. Because if he DID win a major, there would just be another excuse like has been made for him winning EVO in DBFZ. Just excuse after excuse after excuse
literally this lol
 

Jynks

some heroes are born, some made, some wondrous
Also, why does he need to win a major in SF or Tekken? Has any top SF or Tekken player won a major in MK?
When Injustice 2 came out, there was actually a lot of pros, particularly Japanese pros, that started entering the early Injustice 2 events. I distinctly remember there was a cheetah player I followed through pools and stuff, in that first evo, as cheetah was my main back then. If I remember right injustice 2 was really popular in Japan as there is a long history of banning MK.

Anyway, my point is that big names like Pongo (tekken god), played injustice 2 and while they got deep in the brackets, didn't crush the NRS scene, which was what a lot of the chat-monsters kept predicting all evo.
 

Juggs

Lose without excuses
Lead Moderator
This is going to be a long post/reply. So if you don’t wanna read a long post, I completely understand

When Injustice 2 came out, there was actually a lot of pros, particularly Japanese pros, that started entering the early Injustice 2 events. I distinctly remember there was a cheetah player I followed through pools and stuff, in that first evo, as cheetah was my main back then. If I remember right injustice 2 was really popular in Japan as there is a long history of banning MK.

Anyway, my point is that big names like Pongo (tekken god), played injustice 2 and while they got deep in the brackets, didn't crush the NRS scene, which was what a lot of the chat-monsters kept predicting all evo.
There’s been several times where players from other FG communities will shit on NRS games and the players. Saying that we’re not very good at fighting games, that NRS games are easy and don’t take much skill, and that if they played our games it’d be free money. And a lot who have said that have tried to do just that. Meaning that their goal was to start playing an NRS game, and to make that easy, free money by dominating and winning tournaments. And every single one who has came in with that mentality… have failed miserably. And do they say “you know what, NRS games are actually not as easy to be good at as I thought, and the NRS players are actually very talented”? Of course not. Instead, they will just bash the game and say something like “it’s not worth even trying to get good at this terrible game”. When it’s clearly just an excuse because they couldn’t pick it up and immediately dominate like they thought.

Which, I absolutely love it when players from other communities even try to play NRS games. It’s awesome and great to see. And for the ones who come in with humility and just want to have fun, play a different kind of fighter, want to compete, be apart of the community, etc etc, genuinely we all welcome with open arms (for the most part). It’s the ones who talk so much shit about our games and players, saying everything I said they said above, that get treated with the same energy they put out.

The fact is exactly what I said earlier. That it’s extremely difficult to become good at ANY fighting game. It’s even harder to become great at a fighting game, and harder still to become one of the top players in a fighting game. Especially when the game is completely different than what you’re used to playing. So anyone who is able to become just “good” at multiple fighting games, that alone is an achievement worth noting and celebrating. And the more different the games are the harder it is to become even “just good” at them. But to become great or even among the top players of multiple fighting games? That’s beyond difficult to do, which is why very very few people have managed to do it. Because no matter the fighting game (to an extent), it takes a lot of time and dedication you have to invest specifically into that game to become great at it, let alone considered a top player. I’m talking a ridiculous amount of time investment, like a bare minimum of several hours a day. And for a lot of players, even that isn’t enough. A lot of top players treat whatever game they’re trying to become great in like a full time job. Meaning they spend anywhere from 6-12 hours a day just grinding the game trying to improve as much as they can in that timeframe.

My point is, it’s fairly irritating when players who clearly have no idea what it takes to become a great player, try to diminish the success of those who HAVE been able to accomplish this feat. And when it comes to someone like SonicFox, he’s one of the few to be able to do it across multiple different games. How many players can say that they’ve won majors, EVO, pro series, etc, across multiple completely different titles? And I’m not talking about winning in SF4, SF5, SF6, or in MKX, MK11, MK1. Which, that’s still insanely impressive and incredibly difficult to accomplish. But it’s that much more difficult to do it in completely different types of FG’s. Like Injustice, Mortal Kombat, SkullGirls, DBFZ, DoA, MvCi, Street Fighter, Guilty Gear, Soul Caliber, etc. Seriously, how many players have been able to just become great at multiple completely different types of FG’s? Let alone become among the best and/or even winning majors in all of these different FG’s? Outside of SonicFox, I honestly don’t know of very many. Maybe Justin Wong, ChrisG, and Leffen? I’m sure there’s more, but what I’m also sure of is that there’s probably NONE that have done it in as many different types of FG’s as Sonic has.

The craziest part about all of this is that I’m not even a big fan of SonicFox. I just am able to deal with reality on realities terms, and not fabricate excuses or impossible standards just because I don’t like someone. So it actually is annoying me that I’m having to defend him so much to the point to where it looks like I’m glazing. But I cannot stand when people try to discredit or diminish the success or the talents of others, especially when it’s completely unprovoked. I also can’t stand these same people waiting for the first time in over a decade that SonicFox hasn’t made top 8 to come out with all of this nonsense. It’s literally the embodiment of praying on someone’s downfall.

In conclusion. You don’t have to like SonicFox at all. You don’t have to believe he’s THE FGC GOAT, or THE NRS GOAT. No one here is really saying that anyway. We’re just saying he’s ONE of the FGC GOATS, and ONE of the NRS GOATS. And yes, an argument COULD be made that he IS the greatest FG player of all time. But what I think is undeniable based on the evidence is that he is, at the very least, in the conversation.
 

Jynks

some heroes are born, some made, some wondrous
There’s been several times where players from other FG communities will shit on NRS games and the players. Saying that we’re not very good at fighting games, that NRS games are easy and don’t take much skill, and that if they played our games it’d be free money. And a lot who have said that have tried to do just that. Meaning that their goal was to start playing an NRS game, and to make that easy, free money by dominating and winning tournaments. And every single one who has came in with that mentality… have failed miserably.
I have personally seen this happen MANY times... most recently was MK11. Punk started playing and spitting on twitter that exact narrative. I'll dominate, with zero effort and win cash on easy mode.... but he got wrecked, and the result was like a 2 month long exit from the scene where he constantly trashed the game and all the players who still played.
 

Trickywizard

Apprentice
I have personally seen this happen MANY times... most recently was MK11. Punk started playing and spitting on twitter that exact narrative. I'll dominate, with zero effort and win cash on easy mode.... but he got wrecked, and the result was like a 2 month long exit from the scene where he constantly trashed the game and all the players who still played.
To be fair Punk heavily criticized SF5 too.
I believe him to be an honest actor, he just didn’t like the game like that.
 

CrimsonShadow

Administrator and Community Engineer
Administrator
The thing about Sonic is, if I ask for hands to be raised of everyone who’s actually met Sonic, among the people trying to drag him down, very few hands are gonna go up.

I met him and hung out with him at Defend the North, and he was cool. Yes, he’s confident in his ability, competitive, and if you talk trash to him he’ll give it back 3x over. But underneath that he’s a cool person. I have witnessed him doing nice things for others, giving advice to his opponent after he beats them in a set, etc.

I’d much rather have somebody like that as the face of our scene than someone who is feeling themselves and requiring special celebrity treatment like some of these other scenes.
 

FrozenG3oX

Kombatant
The thing about Sonic is, if I ask for hands to be raised of everyone who’s actually met Sonic, among the people trying to drag him down, very few hands are gonna go up.

I met him and hung out with him at Defend the North, and he was cool. Yes, he’s confident in his ability, competitive, and if you talk trash to him he’ll give it back 3x over. But underneath that he’s a cool person. I have witnessed him doing nice things for others, giving advice to his opponent after he beats them in a set, etc.

I’d much rather have somebody like that as the face of our scene than someone who is feeling themselves and requiring special celebrity treatment like some of these other scenes.
My friend, im not saying this about Sonic, but it's as if you haven't met a person that talks bad behind your back and in person is " actually nice " or whatever.
Also, if you met him and say that he's a cool guy, I'm all for it, but don't bring politics and sexual orientation into a video game scene.
 

Jynks

some heroes are born, some made, some wondrous
To be fair Punk heavily criticized SF5 too.
I believe him to be an honest actor, he just didn’t like the game like that.
liking the game or not, wasn't the point. He came into the NRS scene, said everyone playing sucked so he was going to pawn them all, win all the comps and get free money, then proceeded to get bounced in pools every single time, then he quit the game and spent ages trashing the nrs scene.
 

Juggs

Lose without excuses
Lead Moderator
The thing about Sonic is, if I ask for hands to be raised of everyone who’s actually met Sonic, among the people trying to drag him down, very few hands are gonna go up.

I met him and hung out with him at Defend the North, and he was cool. Yes, he’s confident, competitive, and if you talk trash to him he’ll give it back 3x over. But underneath that he’s a cool person. I have witnessed him doing nice things for others, giving advice to his opponent after he beats them in a set, etc.

I’d much rather have somebody like that as the face of our scene than someone who is feeling themselves and requiring special celebrity treatment like some of these other scenes.
My favorite SonicFox memory is when @Mr Aquaman held The Commonwealth tournament for MKX (and a few other games). REO and CDjr were having a hilarious and kind of a heated argument, and SonicFox kept egging them on while filming it but all while smiling ear to ear and doing is signature laugh. It wasn’t anything crazy, it was just a normal moment where Sonic was having fun with the community and his friends. I was sitting to REO’s left, others came in to get involved like @A F0xy Grampa, @Cossner, etc. In fact, the video is still up lol. This argument was a lot longer than this 4 minute video, it lasted for at least 15-20 minutes (and they kept making jabs to one another about it for the rest of the tournament, lmao). Unfortunately @SonicFox5000 didn’t catch all of it, but glad at least part of that memory was captured

 

Jynks

some heroes are born, some made, some wondrous
13 clean sweeps ? Ok, bro.
Edit: the challenge name is klean sweep and you have to do exactly 13 sweeps. A big stretch indeed.
And the Kung Lao throw from mk 11 ? That's a stretch too ?
pretty sure it was about the old reptile rumor that you had to win 2 perfect games with nothing but sweaps, which was around 13 sweeps.
 

Lt. Boxy Angelman

I WILL EAT THIS GAME
This is going to be a long post/reply. So if you don’t wanna read a long post, I completely understand


There’s been several times where players from other FG communities will shit on NRS games and the players. Saying that we’re not very good at fighting games, that NRS games are easy and don’t take much skill, and that if they played our games it’d be free money. And a lot who have said that have tried to do just that. Meaning that their goal was to start playing an NRS game, and to make that easy, free money by dominating and winning tournaments. And every single one who has came in with that mentality… have failed miserably. And do they say “you know what, NRS games are actually not as easy to be good at as I thought, and the NRS players are actually very talented”? Of course not. Instead, they will just bash the game and say something like “it’s not worth even trying to get good at this terrible game”. When it’s clearly just an excuse because they couldn’t pick it up and immediately dominate like they thought.

Which, I absolutely love it when players from other communities even try to play NRS games. It’s awesome and great to see. And for the ones who come in with humility and just want to have fun, play a different kind of fighter, want to compete, be apart of the community, etc etc, genuinely we all welcome with open arms (for the most part). It’s the ones who talk so much shit about our games and players, saying everything I said they said above, that get treated with the same energy they put out.

The fact is exactly what I said earlier. That it’s extremely difficult to become good at ANY fighting game. It’s even harder to become great at a fighting game, and harder still to become one of the top players in a fighting game. Especially when the game is completely different than what you’re used to playing. So anyone who is able to become just “good” at multiple fighting games, that alone is an achievement worth noting and celebrating. And the more different the games are the harder it is to become even “just good” at them. But to become great or even among the top players of multiple fighting games? That’s beyond difficult to do, which is why very very few people have managed to do it. Because no matter the fighting game (to an extent), it takes a lot of time and dedication you have to invest specifically into that game to become great at it, let alone considered a top player. I’m talking a ridiculous amount of time investment, like a bare minimum of several hours a day. And for a lot of players, even that isn’t enough. A lot of top players treat whatever game they’re trying to become great in like a full time job. Meaning they spend anywhere from 6-12 hours a day just grinding the game trying to improve as much as they can in that timeframe.

My point is, it’s fairly irritating when players who clearly have no idea what it takes to become a great player, try to diminish the success of those who HAVE been able to accomplish this feat. And when it comes to someone like SonicFox, he’s one of the few to be able to do it across multiple different games. How many players can say that they’ve won majors, EVO, pro series, etc, across multiple completely different titles? And I’m not talking about winning in SF4, SF5, SF6, or in MKX, MK11, MK1. Which, that’s still insanely impressive and incredibly difficult to accomplish. But it’s that much more difficult to do it in completely different types of FG’s. Like Injustice, Mortal Kombat, SkullGirls, DBFZ, DoA, MvCi, Street Fighter, Guilty Gear, Soul Caliber, etc. Seriously, how many players have been able to just become great at multiple completely different types of FG’s? Let alone become among the best and/or even winning majors in all of these different FG’s? Outside of SonicFox, I honestly don’t know of very many. Maybe Justin Wong, ChrisG, and Leffen? I’m sure there’s more, but what I’m also sure of is that there’s probably NONE that have done it in as many different types of FG’s as Sonic has.

The craziest part about all of this is that I’m not even a big fan of SonicFox. I just am able to deal with reality on realities terms, and not fabricate excuses or impossible standards just because I don’t like someone. So it actually is annoying me that I’m having to defend him so much to the point to where it looks like I’m glazing. But I cannot stand when people try to discredit or diminish the success or the talents of others, especially when it’s completely unprovoked. I also can’t stand these same people waiting for the first time in over a decade that SonicFox hasn’t made top 8 to come out with all of this nonsense. It’s literally the embodiment of praying on someone’s downfall.

In conclusion. You don’t have to like SonicFox at all. You don’t have to believe he’s THE FGC GOAT, or THE NRS GOAT. No one here is really saying that anyway. We’re just saying he’s ONE of the FGC GOATS, and ONE of the NRS GOATS. And yes, an argument COULD be made that he IS the greatest FG player of all time. But what I think is undeniable based on the evidence is that he is, at the very least, in the conversation.
Best post in the thread, free.
 

Trickywizard

Apprentice
My favorite SonicFox memory is when @Mr Aquaman held The Commonwealth tournament for MKX (and a few other games). REO and CDjr were having a hilarious and kind of a heated argument, and SonicFox kept egging them on while filming it but all while smiling ear to ear and doing is signature laugh. It wasn’t anything crazy, it was just a normal moment where Sonic was having fun with the community and his friends. I was sitting to REO’s left, others came in to get involved like @A F0xy Grampa, @Cossner, etc. In fact, the video is still up lol. This argument was a lot longer than this 4 minute video, it lasted for at least 15-20 minutes (and they kept making jabs to one another about it for the rest of the tournament, lmao). Unfortunately @SonicFox5000 didn’t catch all of it, but glad at least part of that memory was captured

Damn this era was epic, so many moments.
I miss Reo and the MK9 gods.
 

Trickywizard

Apprentice
liking the game or not, wasn't the point. He came into the NRS scene, said everyone playing sucked so he was going to pawn them all, win all the comps and get free money, then proceeded to get bounced in pools every single time, then he quit the game and spent ages trashing the nrs scene.
Yeah I can’t argue with that lol he did get exposed lol
 

NinesFGC

Noob
My friend, im not saying this about Sonic, but it's as if you haven't met a person that talks bad behind your back and in person is " actually nice " or whatever.
Also, if you met him and say that he's a cool guy, I'm all for it, but don't bring politics and sexual orientation into a video game scene.
bro just say you don't like queer people lol. own that shit. because Fox is just out there being themselves and mixing ppl's shit. they're not "bringing politics into a video game scene," that would be you making comments like this one. also I love the weird random implication that Fox isn't nice for real, like "oh they're nice in person but what about" hypothetical imagined scenario that I made up just now

actual crazy work lol
 

Trickywizard

Apprentice
bro just say you don't like queer people lol. own that shit. because Fox is just out there being themselves and mixing ppl's shit. they're not "bringing politics into a video game scene," that would be you making comments like this one. also I love the weird random implication that Fox isn't nice for real, like "oh they're nice in person but what about" hypothetical imagined scenario that I made up just now

actual crazy work lol
I’m all for equality but when you’re attracted to animals that’s where I draw the line.
 

FrozenG3oX

Kombatant
bro just say you don't like queer people lol. own that shit. because Fox is just out there being themselves and mixing ppl's shit. they're not "bringing politics into a video game scene," that would be you making comments like this one. also I love the weird random implication that Fox isn't nice for real, like "oh they're nice in person but what about" hypothetical imagined scenario that I made up just now

actual crazy work lol
No ? He didnt bring it up in a tournament ?