Question Patch notes (The F1 buff). Is Back2 now officially useless?

[Under_The_Mayo]

Ok, so with the new May 2013 patch, Catwoman's F1 will now be an OVERHEAD.

This is a pretty big buff, as her other overhead starters F3 and B2 were 23 frames and could be fuzzy guarded. F1 is 16 and previously hit mid. This means that she now has a 16 frame Overhead, and a 14 frame Low.

The range on F1 is very good. It's also +2 on block, and can be used to bait D1's which your D1 will punish into CatClaws.

Back2 is neutral (obviously worse than +2), and Back2 3 is +3 on block with huge pushback (obviously worse than keeping them close).

So I ask, is Back2 now officially useless?

 

[xKhaoTik]

I don't used Catwoman and I don't know much of her, but can she get 50% off of f1?

maxter showed me a 50% combo off of her b2, so if she can get that type of damage from that, then I'd keep it around.



But You're right, f1 does seem like the better option.

 

[-Deadman-]

*patiently awaits 'The Science of F1' even though he doesn't play Selina*

 

[Krayzie]

I have some set-ups with B2. Still good, but F1 being an overhead is a big deal.

 

[Under_The_Mayo]

I don't used Catwoman and I don't know much of her, but can she get 50% off of f1?

maxter showed me a 50% combo off of her b2, so if she can get that type of damage from that, then I'd keep it around.



But You're right, f1 does seem like the better option.

Catwoman only does 50% is you use a bar of meter and use her full trait, which is a waste, because her trait is to be saved for a free invincible wakeup attack or possibly guaranteed 5% chip. Trait combos won't happen in high level eventually. F1 will likely lead 37% Hard Knockdown combos, into her now much improved mixup game.

 

[Krayzie]

Catwoman only does 50% is you use a bar of meter and use her full trait, which is a waste, because her trait is to be saved for a free invincible wakeup attack or possibly guaranteed 5% chip. Trait combos won't happen in high level eventually. F1 will likely lead 37% Hard Knockdown combos, into her now much improved mixup game.

She has 41% unclashable with no meter already too, and ends in a set-up.

 

[Under_The_Mayo]

She has 41% unclashable with no meter already too, and ends in a set-up.

Well technically only the last 17% is unclashable.

But I'm doing jp2, B12D3 Dash, B3 F3 F3 and getting 39%. Where are you getting 41%? Interactable?

 

[EGP Wonder_Chef]

I guess... b2 will be for if you want it to be unclashable?

B2 > B3 > F3 > F3 is unclashable but F1 doesn't have that option.

 

[Krayzie]

Well technically only the last 17% is unclashable.

But I'm doing jp2, B12D3 Dash, B3 F3 F3 and getting 39%. Where are you getting 41%? Interactable?

B12D3 claws, B3, F3, F3, 1F2. You can actually clash the end, but having unclashable damage in there is always a plus.

 

[Under_The_Mayo]

I guess... b2 will be for if you want it to be unclashable?

B2 > B3 > F3 > F3 is unclashable but F1 doesn't have that option.

Just to clarify, Chef means that Back2 landing as the FIRST HIT of the combo will allow you to immediately enter the unclashable B3 F3 F3. Back2 itself is not unclashable if used after a Jp attack or in mid combo.

 

[Under_The_Mayo]

B12D3 claws, B3, F3, F3, 1F2. You can actually clash the end, but having unclashable damage in there is always a plus.

Oh i didn't know you were including the clashable ender. My bad.

 

[Krayzie]

Oh i didn't know you were including the clashable ender. My bad.

Also, here is a new one that I started using.

F+2 D+3 1, j3, 112 mb dash, b3, b3. 41% and ends in a set-up. Always good to know you have more low set-ups. Specially now that we have an overhead F1.

 

[killa_solid]

it's a single hit launcher, so it will be somewhat useful vs Aquaman.

 

[EGP Wonder_Chef]

Oh i didn't know you were including the clashable ender. My bad.

also you get sliiightly more if you do cat scratch instead of cat dash I believe

 

[Krayzie]

it's a single hit launcher, so it will be somewhat useful vs Aquaman.

Catwoman(Whip) ---------------------------------------------------------------------------* Aquaman

 

[SLy]

Nah. B2 is still viable. I find it good for going over normals and some moves that would stuff or beat out f1. B2 also has its uses for setups. the more variety the better I guess.

 

[Under_The_Mayo]

also you get sliiightly more if you do cat scratch instead of cat dash I believe

You do. It's about 0.75% more. I've traded in all the catclaw combos for dash combos simply for the total consistency.

 

[Treadmill]

This is amazing!!!!!

 

[n-megabytes]

I was really happy with f1 being an overhead now! I am not sure if u guys watched any of my tournament matches but I used the b2 a lot in tournament and some players were able to block it on reaction. I personally think that I won't be using b2 as much because b2 b3 timing is very strict so i tend to use b2 then mb cat dash... Then again not sure yet as I haven't played the game since grand finals on Sunday...

 

[AZ MotherBrain]

I was thinking the same thing, b2 serves hardy any purpose now, f1 will be so much more easier to combo into and it won't require a bar to get decent damage.

 

[webreg]

Yeah, I sometimes use it after a jump in when the opponents dashes forward.
Ok, granted I wanted to do F2 but landed on the wrong side but that still counts, doesn't it?

 

[RapZiLLa54]

So now she has a safe low and overhead starter that is a true 50/50 and a safe launching special........ Damn

 

[RunwayMafia]

What we have here is a true embarrassment of riches. F1/B1 true 50/50. 1F2 vortex/anti wake up setup. Double F3 setup. Trust me...B2 is hardly "useless". It takes her off the ground (I land it a lot when I sense they will try to poke) and is great for when you kind of want to be random. Better than Harley's F2 overhead....

Edit: Plus I love her B2~Cat Stance(3)...

 

[Under_The_Mayo]

Krayzie
EGP Wonder_Chef

Please confirm this for me. I'm here in training mode and I simply can not connect B3 after a B2. Am I just having a bad day? Or did they change it in the patch? I can't hit it once.

 

[EGP Wonder_Chef]

Krayzie
EGP Wonder_Chef

Please confirm this for me. I'm here in training mode and I simply can not connect B3 after a B2. Am I just having a bad day? Or did they change it in the patch? I can't hit it once.

now that I think about it, it might have never worked on crouching opponents...

I did just get it to work on standing joker though