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Axel_Redd

Axel_Redd

Vampire Jesus....he wants YOUR blood now!!
i hate fighting bane with zod, i don'tknow how to deal with his armor or when he gets in an starts his little guesing game with anything and everything cancelled into body press :/
 
Johnny Based Cage

Johnny Based Cage

The Shangest of Tsungs
Doombawkz said:
I don't know if you understand I don't care about changing your mind? You can believe what you want to, doesn't make you right or wrong.
Playing me won't prove much of anything, also I can only assume you're new around these parts since you just asked me to play you.
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This doesn't seem constructive at all...

Doombawkz said:
Block the first hit of lazor, use charge on block. MB gets soaked by armor, otherwise he recovers too slow.
You should re-read.



Its a bit of humor that apparently went over your head hombre.
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You're awfully arrogant for someone who never puts his money where his mouth is. Yes, you're right I missed the "on block" part of what you wrote and Bane can do that, though he has to venom up and the timing is tight even offline. I'll give you that one though since a matchup chart assumes highest level play.

As far as the joke that "went over my head" goes, I know it's not actually an infinite but it IS all you ever bring up as an argument against Doomsday's trait when in actuality it seems to have no impact on it whatsoever and has more than twice the start up of DD's fastest pokes anyway lol.

I hope one of the Banes who is as confident in those matchups as you are is also confident enough in their own abilities to actually put their claims to the test. I really think some minds could be changed.
 
Kyu

Kyu

CHOO CHOO BANE TRAIN
Axel_Redd said:
i hate fighting bane with zod, i don'tknow how to deal with his armor or when he gets in an starts his little guesing game with anything and everything cancelled into body press :/
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Slow ball zoning on the ground sidearm and his jump is horrible so catch it with mb eye laser.
 
Kyu

Kyu

CHOO CHOO BANE TRAIN
Doombawkz and Rally, calm down boys. Banes that break together stay together. B1 backdash is actually a very useful strategy vs dd trait, I use it often.
 
Axel_Redd

Axel_Redd

Vampire Jesus....he wants YOUR blood now!!
Kyu said:
Slow ball zoning on the ground sidearm and his jump is horrible so catch it with mb eye laser.
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but once he gets in im terrible at fending him off because i either don't know what to expect, or he keeps cancelling strings into body press which is hard to react to.


doesnt bane have a dash cancdl of some sort too?
 
Kyu

Kyu

CHOO CHOO BANE TRAIN
Axel_Redd said:
but once he gets in im terrible at fending him off because i either don't know what to expect, or he keeps cancelling strings into body press which is hard to react to. doesnt bane have a dash cancdl of some sort too?
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As zod you gotta try to keep him out. Nothing you can really do once he's in. 9-1 zod if bane doesn't get in 9-1 bane if he does. His dash cancel isn't so huge in the MU unless bane uses it to get past all the zoning, but once he's in he's pretty much in debuff
 
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Eldriken

Guest
Wetdoba said:
Maybe if you gave me more games we could actually find out how this goes :DOGE

Right now I could see it going either way, but probably advantage Bane.
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Bane makes me soooo mad. >_> It's one of my least favorite matches and you play Bane so differently than what I'm used to. If you have a mic and will actually use it, I'll play. I keep my cool easier when I can jokingly bitch about how stupid shit is and someone responds back. =P
 
Johnny Based Cage

Johnny Based Cage

The Shangest of Tsungs
Kyu said:
Doombawkz and Rally, calm down boys. Banes that break together stay together. B1 backdash is actually a very useful strategy vs dd trait, I use it often.
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Doesn't Doomsday's d1 have the same range and half the startup? Not to mention b2 low crushes even though nobody uses it properly for that.

Not trying to argue, either. I'd love to be sold on how b1 bodies DD's trait, I just don't see it yet.
 
Kyu

Kyu

CHOO CHOO BANE TRAIN
Rally Jackson said:
Doesn't Doomsday's d1 have the same range and half the startup? Not to mention b2 low crushes even though nobody uses it properly for that.

Not trying to argue, either. I'd love to be sold on how b1 bodies DD's trait, I just don't see it yet.
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Do you ever see a DD walk forward while traited? No. B1 punishes dash ins and has a good enough recovery to block venom if we misread the dash
 
Johnny Based Cage

Johnny Based Cage

The Shangest of Tsungs
Kyu said:
Do you ever see a DD walk forward while traited? No. B1 punishes dash ins and has a good enough recovery to block venom if we misread the dash
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But b1-backdash can get blown up by a venom or mb venom even on hit so all you're landing is 1.32% to eat a venom and get pushed to the corner. Idgi...

And most Doomsdays won't just dash into your b1 range anyway, so even if it recovers fast you'll either eat a dash d1/b2 counterpoke or have to block a dash jump-in, no?

I mean if it works for you it works, I just don't see that as something that can guaranteed shut Doomsday in trait down every time. And he gets nothing for it except avoiding damage, whereas DD can potentially get some things going if he blows it up.
 
Lord_BRISK

Lord_BRISK

"i am knightfall''
Kyu said:
I'm probably upplaying matchups or downplaying some I don't know don't really care. This is how I see all of these matchups currently. Ones I don't have exp with I'll take the word from other players on. Wooooo a legit Bane MU chart get hype

Aquaman - 6-4

Ares - 5-5

Bane - 5-5

Batgirl - 4-6 or 5-5 don't have the exp with it

Batman - 5-5

Black Adam - 6-4

Catwoman - 7-3

Cyborg - 6-4

Deathstroke - 6-4

Doomsday - 6-4

The Flash - 4-6

Green Arrow - 7-3

Green Lantern - 6-4

Harley Quinn - 5-5 solely because I haven't played Saltface. Personally I see it 6-4 Bane.

Hawkgirl - 6-4

The Joker - 7-3

Killer Frost - 6-4

Lex Luthor - 5-5

Lobo - 7-3

Martian Manhunter - 5-5

Nightwing - 5-5 I really do just suck with this MU though so I don't know fuck it.

Raven - 5-5

Scorpion - 5-5

Shazam - 5-5 Shazam. Fuck Shazam. This character gets the salt flowing like no other. I am completely free to Shazam, Teleport destroys hope for an oki game. I hate this little shitbird character.

Sinestro - 5-5

Solomon Grundy - 8-2 Grundy gets shit on.

Superman - 5-5 I could be wrong I'm a pussy and don't play this MU I don't enjoy it.

Wonder Woman - 6-4

Zatanna - 3-7 It's like Shazam but more annoying

General Zod - 5-5

That's it for my mu chart, please critique where you see fit.

Advantage - 16
Disadvantage - 2-3 if Batgirl beats him
Even - 11

This is the chart when I consider Bane's insane knockdown pressure. Most of the even MUs go into Bane's favor on knockdown because they aren't getting up. Even when not considering knockdown game, Bane is completely broken. Wooo

Aquaman - 6-4

Ares - 5-5

Bane - 5-5

Batgirl - 4-6 or 5-5 don't have the exp with it

Batman - 5-5

Black Adam - 6-4

Catwoman - 7-3

Cyborg - 6-4

Deathstroke - 6-4

Doomsday - 6-4

The Flash - 4-6

Green Arrow - 7-3

Green Lantern - 6-4

Harley Quinn - 6-4

Hawkgirl - 6-4

The Joker - 7-3

Killer Frost - 6-4

Lex Luthor - 5-5

Lobo - 7-3

Martian Manhunter - 5-5

Nightwing - 5-5 I really do just suck with this MU though so I don't know fuck it.

Raven - 5-5

Scorpion - 5-5

Shazam - 5-5 Shazam. Fuck Shazam. This character gets the salt flowing like no other. I am completely free to Shazam, Teleport destroys hope for an oki game. I hate this little shitbird character.

Sinestro - 5-5

Solomon Grundy - 8-2 Grundy gets shit on.

Superman - 5-5 I could be wrong I'm a pussy and don't play this MU I don't enjoy it.

Wonder Woman - 6-4

Zatanna - 3-7 It's like Shazam but more annoying

General Zod - 5-5

Advantage - 17
Disadvantage - 2-3 if Batgirl beats him
Even - 9

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@Lord_BRISK :DOGE
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Great chart Kyu !!!
 
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cR Biohazard

cR Biohazard

Team Torr
GGs to @HuntR, we went 5-5 in the matchup of Doomsday vs Bane, I'd like to add that my wake ups seemed to be malfunctioning which is why I stood up sometimes not doing anything :p Also blocking earthshake online is ridiculous. @Tm_whiteboi can attest to my ability to consistently block earthshakers offline so I would like to see how this match plays out if we fight at KIT. P.S to @Doombawkz if the Doomsday player reverses your wakeups in the corner and spaces himself accordingly he won't be hit by a VU, Bane will just get hit by earthshaker.
 
Doombawkz

Doombawkz

Trust me, I'm a doctor
Rally Jackson said:
This doesn't seem constructive at all...




You're awfully arrogant for someone who never puts his money where his mouth is. Yes, you're right I missed the "on block" part of what you wrote and Bane can do that, though he has to venom up and the timing is tight even offline. I'll give you that one though since a matchup chart assumes highest level play.

As far as the joke that "went over my head" goes, I know it's not actually an infinite but it IS all you ever bring up as an argument against Doomsday's trait when in actuality it seems to have no impact on it whatsoever and has more than twice the start up of DD's fastest pokes anyway lol.

I hope one of the Banes who is as confident in those matchups as you are is also confident enough in their own abilities to actually put their claims to the test. I really think some minds could be changed.
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Its actually more constructive than you'd think. I'm flat to say I'm not interested in a pissing contest. If by some fluke I won, it wouldn't matter much. He probably would've beaten me 70% of the time regardless, but we both have our outlooks on the MU. We both agree the same problems exist, we just differ on how severe those problems are.

Max used to do it all the time, I think Grr did it a lot too but Max showed it off the best. As far as highest level, Bane's optimal damage is 1 frame links. No one does them, but if they did matches would be over a lot quicker. Regardless, I'm not arrogant so much as I'm confident in my information. I can confidently say no one knows as much about this character, his workings, and his options than I do. I will admit, though, I have a tendency to underestimate the options of others. Not this time, though.

Start-up doesn't actually have much of a problem in the situation, since we can use it to stop the dash-in (on account of in trait his moves lose armor). Its more to buy time, but to stop a DD d.1 you have to be just framing it the entire time. Against DD, the actual best thing to do is b.1 -> d.1 -> backdash or just d.1 backdash. If you do what I do and cancel your backdashes, you can make DD's life a living hell.

When a Bane with my confidence and enough talent to do all his crazy shit well comes along, yeah some minds may be changed.
 
Doombawkz

Doombawkz

Trust me, I'm a doctor
RM_Biohazard said:
GGs to @HuntR, we went 5-5 in the matchup of Doomsday vs Bane, I'd like to add that my wake ups seemed to be malfunctioning which is why I stood up sometimes not doing anything :p Also blocking earthshake online is ridiculous. @Tm_whiteboi can attest to my ability to consistently block earthshakers offline so I would like to see how this match plays out if we fight at KIT. P.S to @Doombawkz if the Doomsday player reverses your wakeups in the corner and spaces himself accordingly he won't be hit by a VU, Bane will just get hit by earthshaker.
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Credit where its due, though did you try MBing it? It pushes you out of the corner and gives your entire body a hitbox.
 
Rev_

Rev_

Bane Squad
Eldriken said:
I agree with the Bane number. Bane does what Doomsday does but better.

Then again, maybe I'm just bad at the MU? @Rev_ @Wetdoba @Kyu @Doombawkz
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We havent played in a bit but every time we do play you seem to improve. I dont think you're bad at the mu at all, bane is just bane and there are gonna just be those games vs him where you just completely guess wrong and get destroyed. The character is just dumb.

Definitely think its closer to 6-4 than it is to even though.
 
cR Biohazard

cR Biohazard

Team Torr
Doombawkz said:
Credit where its due, though did you try MBing it? It pushes you out of the corner and gives your entire body a hitbox.
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I would get hit before the meter burn portion comes out, I admit I should probably be meter burning that earlier to make it safer. I've conditioned myself to do it late to make it safe. Also the timing is different online which is why I got no meter burn sometimes. HuntR will agree to that. I'm not a huge online player but I try.
 
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