Nightwolf Matchup Discussion Thread

[Prinz]

Hey guys. I found that it's relatively easy to kill NW by just staying ducked without blocking. I may be playing average NW, but at the end I feel ducking is his worst enemy. This makes me put him on the bottom of my tier list. So my question is: how do you deal with it? What should I expect besides lightning at fullscreen, sweep outside poke range and f3 up-close?

 

[Karnage]

i wish more people would duck against me...b2 has awesome range and hits mid so i will almost always use that if someone is ducking at me from about jump distance

 

[Prinz]

i wish more people would duck against me...b2 has awesome range and hits mid so i will almost always use that if someone is ducking at me from about jump distance

How about countering b2 with d3 on reaction?

 

[Karnage]

try it, pretty sure you will get caught with either that or lightning. can you jump lightning on reaction from ducking? not so sure...

 

[AK L0rdoftheFLY]

Hey guys. I found that it's relatively easy to kill NW by just staying ducked without blocking. What should I expect besides lightning at fullscreen, sweep outside poke range and f3 up-close?

What you should expect is what you mentioned. Those options (besides sweep) plus b2 all lead to 40+ damage and can be followed up by eh lightning for another 30+ damage. There are only a handful of decent nw that you should judge tier lists off of and they all play offline. If your making a tier list based on playing nw online your tier list is going to look stupid.

 

[Prinz]

What you should expect is what you mentioned. Those options (besides sweep) plus b2 all lead to 40+ damage and can be followed up by eh lightning for another 30+ damage. There are only a handful of decent nw that you should judge tier lists off of and they all play offline. If your making a tier list based on playing nw online your tier list is going to look stupid.

Yeah, I did play only online NW. Thanks for the hints.

 

[poopingelephant]

im gonna have to say with kitana it has to be atleat 5-5 because as long as you take advantage of his reflect they wont be able to zone you out

 

[NKZero]

Can anyone give me numbers for the Kenshi and Sektor match-ups with a brief description of how it pans out? Thanks.

 

[AK L0rdoftheFLY]

im gonna have to say with kitana it has to be atleat 5-5 because as long as you take advantage of his reflect they wont be able to zone you out

Agreed. Nw kitana comes down to footsies. It's hard for NW to punish d1 (in fact he can't). But he can jump over and jump kick into shoulder for 15% if kit gets too d1 happy. It's funny because nw can zone out a kitana with reflect and arrows.

Also eh lightning traps work really well because her wakeups aren't that good. so after every combo nw potentially gets another 25-33% unless she asses out.

 

[AK L0rdoftheFLY]

Can anyone give me numbers for the Kenshi and Sektor match-ups with a brief description of how it pans out? Thanks.

I have played pigs kenshi tone with this MU. Arguably the BEST kenshi vs the best NW. My opinion is pig is the better player but if I take that out of consideration I think it is a 5-5. NW doesn't need to get into win. He can stay a outside of shoulder range and punish wiffed shoulders with eh lightning...never jump at kenshi...make him come to you.

If you block a spirit charge from less than max range you can punish it with a shoulder. By doing this you eventually push kenshi to the corner all the while taking half his life with eh lightnings and shoulders. But rushdown kenshi is more difficult IMO. He has great frame traps and bait stupid mistakes. His 50/50 game is retarded which makes him hard to beat with anyone. But he will eventually make a mistake and either jump or spirit charge allowing you to punish. If you can keep kenshi from having meter you are one step closer.

 

[AK L0rdoftheFLY]

Can anyone give me numbers for the Kenshi and Sektor match-ups with a brief description of how it pans out? Thanks.

For sektor I'm less sure because I haven't had the MU exp but I play him and I have seen IKizzLE make him look real good. He is faster than nw all the way around...faster jabs, faster pokes, low starter. NW has to be patient and can't rush him down. NW can't do random arrows or lightnings or he eats an iat. He has to let sektor come to him. The more I think about it, all NW can do is punish flamethrower with shoulder and keep him guessing with random shoulders.

I did beat red djinn at Final Round in a sektor/NW MU but honestly I think sektors footsies are better and that he takes the MU 5.5-4.5. He cant shoot missles at all because of reflect or up missles because of shoulder...but he can bait a shoulder and punish for 45%. NW ha to do more work to win I think and therefore sektor wins.

 

[IKizzLE]

For sektor I'm less sure because I haven't had the MU exp but I play him and I have seen IKizzLE make him look real good. He is faster than nw all the way around...faster jabs, faster pokes, low starter. NW has to be patient and can't rush him down. NW can't do random arrows or lightnings or he eats an iat. He has to let sektor come to him. The more I think about it, all NW can do is punish flamethrower with shoulder and keep him guessing with random shoulders.

I did beat red djinn at Final Round in a sektor/NW MU but honestly I think sektors footsies are better and that he takes the MU 5.5-4.5. He cant shoot missles at all because of reflect or up missles because of shoulder...but he can bait a shoulder and punish for 45%. NW ha to do more work to win I think and therefore sektor wins.

Yea, its in Sektor's favor. Just not sure how much. But I'll agree with the 5.5-4.5.
Some points though.....

-iTU NW's lightning is harder than it looks. If you make a good read, thats fine, but off reaction its hit or miss. If you do it slightly late, the lightning will hit everytime.

-Punishing flamethrower doesn't need to come into the discussion of this matchup because sektor can just substitute flamethrower with b1 if NW punishes it once.

-Shoulder and ex shoulder by NW is the quickest way to lose the match for NW

-You can shoot missiles and bait reflects for iTU's.

-NW needs to get in, cuz Sektor crumbles under pressure. The mid to far range is bad for NW cuz its the range where NW loves to shoulder.

 

[AK L0rdoftheFLY]

Yea, its in Sektor's favor. Just not sure how much. But I'll agree with the 5.5-4.5.
Some points though.....

-iTU NW's lightning is harder than it looks. If you make a good read, thats fine, but off reaction its hit or miss. If you do it slightly late, the lightning will hit everytime.

-Punishing flamethrower doesn't need to come into the discussion of this matchup because sektor can just substitute flamethrower with b1 if NW punishes it once.

-Shoulder and ex shoulder by NW is the quickest way to lose the match for NW

-You can shoot missiles and bait reflects for iTU's.

-NW needs to get in, cuz Sektor crumbles under pressure. The mid to far range is bad for NW cuz its the range where NW loves to shoulder.

That is interesting. I don't necessarilly agree with forcing nw to pressure...your 6 frame jab is faster than all my low pokes. That scares me. If kitana can d1 me to interrupts pressure, can't sektor do the same thing with standing 1 for 40%?

An example is if NW does f312 (neutral on block) I go for d3 and you do standing 12b1 for launcher...which would win?

 

[IKizzLE]

That is interesting. I don't necessarilly agree with forcing nw to pressure...your 6 frame jab is faster than all my low pokes. That scares me. If kitana can d1 me to interrupts pressure, can't sektor do the same thing with standing 1 for 40%?

An example is if NW does f312 (neutral on block) I go for d3 and you do standing 12b1 for launcher...which would win?

Well, they are both 6 frames and the game has no trades so itll be random who hits first. Im not familiar with d3 from NW so im not sure if it lowers his hit box. If it does, the 1 will whiff. If the f312 has any type of pushback, your d3 will win as well.

Sektor's jab range is only point blank.

 

[AK L0rdoftheFLY]

Well, they are both 6 frames and the game has no trades so itll be random who hits first. Im not familiar with d3 from NW so im not sure if it lowers his hit box. If it does, the 1 will whiff. If the f312 has any type of pushback, your d3 will win as well.

Sektor's jab range is only point blank.

There is no pushback, d3 and d1 are both 7 frames, no his hitbox is always big as fuck.

 

[IKizzLE]

There is no pushback, d3 and d1 are both 7 frames, no his hitbox is always big as fuck.

Well fuck....LMAO!
That is my answer.

 

[AK L0rdoftheFLY]

Well fuck....LMAO!
That is my answer.

Damnit!

This is my one gripe with nw...no 6 frame lows...it's SOOOOO annoying.

 

[NKZero]

Thanks L0rdoftheFLY! I need to find someone to fight Sektor. Brady says Sub-Sektor is 5-5 but I am not so sure...my Nightwolf isn't good enough though (even though the knowledge is there...)

 

[AK L0rdoftheFLY]

Thanks L0rdoftheFLY! I need to find someone to fight Sektor. Brady says Sub-Sektor is 5-5 but I am not so sure...my Nightwolf isn't good enough though (even though the knowledge is there...)

I've never lost to a sektor...tourney or not. But that's like PL saying he has never lost to a nw when he has never played me or big D. I have never played ikizzle so I can't use my match results to determine the score...

But I am objective enough to see the score.

 

[Big D]

IKizzLE Atleast from what I get out of it, I am seeing a 4-6 in Sektors favor. We gotta try this at the next tourney. If charges wont work and lightnings can be risky, there is gonna be a serious problem lol

 

[Metzos]

I think Ermac vs NW is either an even MU or either a 5.5-4.5 in NW's favor. Just discovered that NW cant punish max range TKP with shoulder. Ermac's down pokes work pretty against him also when he is pressured.

 

[McNasty]

I agree NW has the edge vs ermac about the only one I find favorable enough to use NW in at this point.

 

[Big D]

NW has a lot of decent matchups when played correctly. Contrary to what people might think, I think NW actually beats alot of other characters, including Kenshi for example. I see it as a 5.5-4.5 just because of what NW can do. I'm gonna get working on the match ups a bit more, but as for Ermac, I see it as a 6-4 for NW. But thats just me.

 

[AK L0rdoftheFLY]

NW has a lot of decent matchups when played correctly. Contrary to what people might think, I think NW actually beats alot of other characters, including Kenshi for example. I see it as a 5.5-4.5 just because of what NW can do. I'm gonna get working on the match ups a bit more, but as for Ermac, I see it as a 6-4 for NW. But thats just me.

I agree...I think kenshi is 5-5 but I don't know about giving nw the edge.

 

[NogunYesknife]

Can some one please update all of konqrr's posts? Im so tired of looking at these kung lao hat tier day 1 matchup charts -_-