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KH_Captain

KH_Captain

Nightwolf wannabe
even online i don't think NW vs Reptile is in reptiles favor as long as you can consistently punish dash. and reflect projectiles which once used to timing you can. this is even at worst. I've played this match a while back a bunch with Muffin Muggers he destroyed every character I used exept NW.
 
dribirut

dribirut

BLAK FELOW
L0rdoftheFLY said:
Matter of fact, re-read your post here and tell me you don't sound like an arrogant ass. Lol. Half the stuff you said doesn't apply. Why would nw ever do lightning at you? You call me dumb yet your posts lack intelligence. Again hypocritical.
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you say i like drama and there you go trying to bait an angry response.. im not going to fight over the internet sorry if i offended you
 
ripcrowley

ripcrowley

Noob
ask rip crowly if he thinks this is even lol
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Honestly I dont know anymore. Offline is where it counts and I haven't got enough experience yet. Fly knows offline so I have to agree with what he thinks. Online reptile is a bitch thoa :)
 
AK L0rdoftheFLY

AK L0rdoftheFLY

I hatelove this game
STB ripcrowley said:
Honestly I dont know anymore. Offline is where it counts and I haven't got enough experience yet. Fly knows offline so I have to agree with what he thinks. Online reptile is a bitch thoa :)
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Thanks for the input. He hates me so seeing you post hopefully makes him hate me more. Lol

I'm gonna watch the stream this weekend cause I want to see you in action.
 
NKZero

NKZero

Warrior
L0rdoftheFLY said:
ragnar0kz28
RampaginDragon
NKZero

I have three 3-7 matchups right now.

Sonya, kabal, and Freddy. I'm about to take kabal and change it to 4-6 and leave Sonya and Freddy at 3-7

I have raiden at 5-5
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I don't think personally that Freddy and Sonya are as bad as Kabal. I'd actually have them the other way round :p. I think Kabal is his only 3-7 because he renders nearly all of Nightwolf's tools useless. I think Nightwolf can get in on Freddy similar to how he fares against Kenshi but Freddy can be a lot more deceptive and tricky so it is still disadvatage. Sonya isn't actually too bad. I quite enjoy that match-up but the only reason she is better is because of her footsies. Armour doesn't do much in this match-up tbh because Nightwolf can hold his own. What d'you think?
 
AK L0rdoftheFLY

AK L0rdoftheFLY

I hatelove this game
NKZero said:
I don't think personally that Freddy and Sonya are as bad as Kabal. I'd actually have them the other way round :p. I think Kabal is his only 3-7 because he renders nearly all of Nightwolf's tools useless. I think Nightwolf can get in on Freddy similar to how he fares against Kenshi but Freddy can be a lot more deceptive and tricky so it is still disadvatage. Sonya isn't actually too bad. I quite enjoy that match-up but the only reason she is better is because of her footsies. Armour doesn't do much in this match-up tbh because Nightwolf can hold his own. What d'you think?
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I can reflect iaf and get in so kabal can't zone me. If he does it will be from chipping me to death with buzz saw. Shoulder lowers nightwolfs head so once he gets half screen away he can shoulder iaf. Meh can also his combos to stay in close and if NW can master his counter pokes its a very winnable match.

Sonya is tougher because of how she controls space with d4 and the fear of ms f1. Nw can't really get it...plus a 6frame d1 and a 8 fame jab make her able to beat nw to the punch (literally) every time. It's so hard
 
NKZero

NKZero

Warrior
L0rdoftheFLY said:
I can reflect iaf and get in so kabal can't zone me. If he does it will be from chipping me to death with buzz saw. Shoulder lowers nightwolfs head so once he gets half screen away he can shoulder iaf. Meh can also his combos to stay in close and if NW can master his counter pokes its a very winnable match.

Sonya is tougher because of how she controls space with d4 and the fear of ms f1. Nw can't really get it...plus a 6frame d1 and a 8 fame jab make her able to beat nw to the punch (literally) every time. It's so hard
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I dunno man I just think that firstly Kabal can bait a reflect and get in any time he wants. Lightning is useless, arrow is useless and you have to be careful with shoulder. Buzz saw is a real pain in the ass in this match as you already stated. Nightwolf has to stay close yet that isn't where he is most effective. You really have to capitalise on EVERY opportunity to stand a chance in this match-up. Plus big hit-box means Kabal has more NDC options that he would on the 'average joe'. That's just my 2 cents on this match-up.

Sonya is hard for the reasons you stated. Faster pokes and better footsies. But Nightwolf can operate from further away so Sonya players can't abuse her tools in this match-up as often as they would in other match-ups. The threat of EX lightning should make Sonya's think twice before throwing out random shit.

What's your take on Freddy? Why is it a 3-7? I think it is slight disadvantage i.e. 4-6. Not too different from Kenshi match-up imo. What are your thoughts, chief?
 
AK L0rdoftheFLY

AK L0rdoftheFLY

I hatelove this game
NKZero said:
I dunno man I just think that firstly Kabal can bait a reflect and get in any time he wants. Lightning is useless, arrow is useless and you have to be careful with shoulder. Buzz saw is a real pain in the ass in this match as you already stated. Nightwolf has to stay close yet that isn't where he is most effective. You really have to capitalise on EVERY opportunity to stand a chance in this match-up. Plus big hit-box means Kabal has more NDC options that he would on the 'average joe'. That's just my 2 cents on this match-up.

Sonya is hard for the reasons you stated. Faster pokes and better footsies. But Nightwolf can operate from further away so Sonya players can't abuse her tools in this match-up as often as they would in other match-ups. The threat of EX lightning should make Sonya's think twice before throwing out random shit.

What's your take on Freddy? Why is it a 3-7? I think it is slight disadvantage i.e. 4-6. Not too different from Kenshi match-up imo. What are your thoughts, chief?
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Ex lightning is a free dive kick for Sonya...and that's pretty much game over right there. Sonya is always going to be one dive kick away so lightning is a very bad idea. He can reflect yes but she doesn't need to throw projectiles to win. Nw want to be far away but he can't get away from her. Nw can't do much but play footsies with her...yet her footsies are light years better than his.

As for kabal. He can't bait reflect because it's always in reaction. I know the difference between a bait and a head level iaf. I don't do it in anticipation. With one frame of start up just react. Lightning is useless and arrow is only effective in arrow trap. Arrow trap is good in this MU because it keeps kabal close and doesn't let him use wakeup attacks. Buzz saw is a blessing and a curse because nw can use it to keep the life lead with absorb. This is a great tool. And big hit boxes suck but if you know where to pole or armor than it doesn't really matter...it comes down to player knowledge.

Freddy dominates NW in almost every way possible. NMS is hell for nw because it avoids reflected projectiles as well as shoulder so nw gets dominated from full screen. Nw can't touch him. I can try to lightning his NMS but teleport gets him out as well as a cancel into jump. NW has a very slow dash and walk speed so getting in is tough and that puts Freddy in the best possible position. He has nothing to worry about. Nw has to take risks to get in and he can lose 50% just for one mistake. It might be worse than 3-7.
 
NKZero

NKZero

Warrior
L0rdoftheFLY said:
Ex lightning is a free dive kick for Sonya...and that's pretty much game over right there. Sonya is always going to be one dive kick away so lightning is a very bad idea. He can reflect yes but she doesn't need to throw projectiles to win. Nw want to be far away but he can't get away from her. Nw can't do much but play footsies with her...yet her footsies are light years better than his.

As for kabal. He can't bait reflect because it's always in reaction. I know the difference between a bait and a head level iaf. I don't do it in anticipation. With one frame of start up just react. Lightning is useless and arrow is only effective in arrow trap. Arrow trap is good in this MU because it keeps kabal close and doesn't let him use wakeup attacks. Buzz saw is a blessing and a curse because nw can use it to keep the life lead with absorb. This is a great tool. And big hit boxes suck but if you know where to pole or armor than it doesn't really matter...it comes down to player knowledge.

Freddy dominates NW in almost every way possible. NMS is hell for nw because it avoids reflected projectiles as well as shoulder so nw gets dominated from full screen. Nw can't touch him. I can try to lightning his NMS but teleport gets him out as well as a cancel into jump. NW has a very slow dash and walk speed so getting in is tough and that puts Freddy in the best possible position. He has nothing to worry about. Nw has to take risks to get in and he can lose 50% just for one mistake. It might be worse than 3-7.
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I'm not necessarily saying throwing out the lightning. But the threat of it being there should keep Sonya players awake and into thinking that they cannot bully NW as easily as other characters. It's hard to keep her off you but it is do-able. I just don't see why it is a 3-7 tbh even though I agree with every point you make. I just think it is slightly in her favour.

I just think in the Kabal match a lack of a 6 frame poke is telling....especially in NDC pressure. But you make a very valid point, the arrow trap is really useful in this match-up. I just feel as if Kabal removes Nightwolf's footsie game and has a way around his gimmicks.

With Freddy....ok you have made me a believer lol. I completely forgot about NMS. That destroys NW I agree. I think NW's saving grace is getting in but he will have such a hard time doing that. But surely you can EX shoulder freddy fingers/glove toss on reaction no? I might agree with you on this one now...
 
AK L0rdoftheFLY

AK L0rdoftheFLY

I hatelove this game
NKZero said:
I'm not necessarily saying throwing out the lightning. But the threat of it being there should keep Sonya players awake and into thinking that they cannot bully NW as easily as other characters. It's hard to keep her off you but it is do-able. I just don't see why it is a 3-7 tbh even though I agree with every point you make. I just think it is slightly in her favour.

I just think in the Kabal match a lack of a 6 frame poke is telling....especially in NDC pressure. But you make a very valid point, the arrow trap is really useful in this match-up. I just feel as if Kabal removes Nightwolf's footsie game and has a way around his gimmicks.

With Freddy....ok you have made me a believer lol. I completely forgot about NMS. That destroys NW I agree. I think NW's saving grace is getting in but he will have such a hard time doing that. But surely you can EX shoulder freddy fingers/glove toss on reaction no? I might agree with you on this one now...
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You can armor though...but that doesn't win y the match. Yu can't pressure him on wakeup because of NMS claws that are all safe so once you get in he is out and teleporting across the screen. Smoke can do this but is ten times less effective from full screen.

Kabal and Sonya are both bad and we are splitting hairs but you just got to play a see conservative Sonya who doesn't respect lightning and on start up dive kicks you on reaction every time as well as putting you in the cornerquickly with d4 ms f1. What can nw do against d4 ms f1? There are no holes in it.

At least kabals pressure has holes.
 
KH_Captain

KH_Captain

Nightwolf wannabe
man after droppin all other characters except sindel NW and Mileena. I now really think NW has no 7-3s. Kabal would be the closest thing to it I expained it in the Kabal matchup why its not 7-3 and reo blew me up with "well if you did that i could do this" crap but to tell you the truth its a guessing game. as long as you don't get caught in block infinite which nobody is gonna do forever you have to use b111 hatchet or choke or shoulder to stop his stupid parry thing and if he tries to start running through you block or ex choke him. ex absorb saw blades if you have to. reflect low iagbs and shoulder under high ones. that match is not impossible like reo makes it out to be. maybe freddy o 7-3 yet i never really play that match cuz i just use sindel which is a 5-5
 
RampaginDragon

RampaginDragon

Loses to uppercuts
L0rdoftheFLY said:
ragnar0kz28
RampaginDragon
NKZero

I have three 3-7 matchups right now.

Sonya, kabal, and Freddy. I'm about to take kabal and change it to 4-6 and leave Sonya and Freddy at 3-7

I have raiden at 5-5
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I agree with Sonya being tough for NW. But I think if you play him correctly and know the MU, he has the tools to win. I don't know about 7-3. But I also don't know the MU from NW's side of the screen, so I'll take your word for it :)
 
AK L0rdoftheFLY

AK L0rdoftheFLY

I hatelove this game
Captcaptainjfa said:
man after droppin all other characters except sindel NW and Mileena. I now really think NW has no 7-3s. Kabal would be the closest thing to it I expained it in the Kabal matchup why its not 7-3 and reo blew me up with "well if you did that i could do this" crap but to tell you the truth its a guessing game. as long as you don't get caught in block infinite which nobody is gonna do forever you have to use b111 hatchet or choke or shoulder to stop his stupid parry thing and if he tries to start running through you block or ex choke him. ex absorb saw blades if you have to. reflect low iagbs and shoulder under high ones. that match is not impossible like reo makes it out to be. maybe freddy o 7-3 yet i never really play that match cuz i just use sindel which is a 5-5
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I thnk freddy and Sonya are his only 3-7 MU.

I always compare a 3-7 MU to E-Honda and Guile in ssf 4. Since I mained Honda and pig mained guile, I remember how it felt and the issues I had to over come. These MU feel like that. Even though I could win some, it didn't change the SF MU chart put together by the greats. And if you remember, Honda was ranked number 1 in vanilla and he still had a 3-7 MU. I see no reason why NW can't have 1 or 2 3-7 MU since he is barely even top 15.
 
KH_Captain

KH_Captain

Nightwolf wannabe
L0rdoftheFLY said:
I thnk freddy and Sonya are his only 3-7 MU.

I always compare a 3-7 MU to E-Honda and Guile in ssf 4. Since I mained Honda and pig mained guile, I remember how it felt and the issues I had to over come. These MU feel like that. Even though I could win some, it didn't change the SF MU chart put together by the greats. And if you remember, Honda was ranked number 1 in vanilla and he still had a 3-7 MU. I see no reason why NW can't have 1 or 2 3-7 MU since he is barely even top 15.
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I'll take your word on freddy and i just played casuals vs Showtime Sonya and yeah she beats him in every way lol. def 7-3 but i still don't think kabal is 7-3 i need to play cat in this match some more to know for sure but last i played it didn't feel like it.
 
AK L0rdoftheFLY

AK L0rdoftheFLY

I hatelove this game
Captcaptainjfa said:
I'll take your word on freddy and i just played casuals vs Showtime Sonya and yeah she beats him in every way lol. def 7-3 but i still don't think kabal is 7-3 i need to play cat in this match some more to know for sure but last i played it didn't feel like it.
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I agree. I think Kabal is 4-6
 
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l3rainst0rm

Mortal
idk about kabal being 4-6. i was playing with soonk and kevo and litteraly the mu felt like i had zero options the entire game. reflecting the iagb is a mind game in itself and if he drops to saw you?? fuck that shit lol kabal is a douche straight up.
 
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l3rainst0rm

Mortal
but that could also have to do with the fact theres litteraly no good kabals online and id have to travel to tourneys more to get used to the rediculousness of it.
 
AK L0rdoftheFLY

AK L0rdoftheFLY

I hatelove this game
l3rainst0rm said:
but that could also have to do with the fact theres litteraly no good kabals online and id have to travel to tourneys more to get used to the rediculousness of it.
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I play nw and kabal. From my understanding his gas blasts are not that bad. Reflecting them isn't easy and shouldn't be a staple tactic but in the right situation it's viable.

That said,his pressure is the problem...but a well placed d3 works like a charm against any kabal. Shoulder usually goes under iaf and if they are that low, THEN reflect becomes useful.

That's the trick. Knowing when to reflect and when to shoulder.
 
AK L0rdoftheFLY

AK L0rdoftheFLY

I hatelove this game
l3rainst0rm said:
but that could also have to do with the fact theres litteraly no good kabals online and id have to travel to tourneys more to get used to the rediculousness of it.
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I'll play you with kabal online. But honestly online is the worst place to figure out a MU.but we do need to play regardless
 
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