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AK L0rdoftheFLY

I hatelove this game
So I guess that renders F312 useless mid-screen then. you pretty much have to hope the opponent blocks it because you cannot really get a follow-up mid-screen off F312 on hit. That's annoying.
It pushes them to the corner. Sets up a potential lightning trap, arrow, shoulder and on block is 0 giving an opportunity to keep pressure. It's good
 

trustinme

xbl-OBS trustinme
reptile and nw is a 5-5 ??:eek:
yeah man,absolutely.im not even any good but the only reptile player who gives me serious problems is temjiin,infact its not problems,he fucks me up real bad.apart from him though i do fine.
i totally agree with smoke being 5-5 too,love fighting smoke with nightwolf.
 

dribirut

BLAK FELOW
yeah man,absolutely.im not even any good but the only reptile player who gives me serious problems is temjiin,infact its not problems,he fucks me up real bad.apart from him though i do fine.
i totally agree with smoke being 5-5 too,love fighting smoke with nightwolf.
lol well we should play hopefully ill change your mind
 

NKZero

Warrior
yeah man,absolutely.im not even any good but the only reptile player who gives me serious problems is temjiin,infact its not problems,he fucks me up real bad.apart from him though i do fine.
i totally agree with smoke being 5-5 too,love fighting smoke with nightwolf.
I think Reptile beats Nightwolf tbh man. He can bait reflects and punish. His dash beats out shoulder charge and he is just too quick for Nightwolf to handle. Nightwolf has to be even more careful about taking risks with lightning in this match-up. Slight advantage Reptile.
 

NKZero

Warrior
NW vs reptile is 5-5. You cant bait a reflect if night wolf is dash reflecting. It is all reads.
Doesn't an aggressive Reptile cause all sorts of problems for Nightwolf? I see elbow dash being a real problem in this match. Also how can you not bait out reflect when you have different speeds of force balls? Doesn't the reflect have some recovery so you can't just re do-it after every second?
 

trustinme

xbl-OBS trustinme
Doesn't an aggressive Reptile cause all sorts of problems for Nightwolf? I see elbow dash being a real problem in this match. Also how can you not bait out reflect when you have different speeds of force balls? Doesn't the reflect have some recovery so you can't just re do-it after every second?
what some players do to me is they throw a fast force ball,then just as its about to hit my reflect throw out a enhanced forceball making the first one disappear.at first it used to catch me off guard but there is time after the reflect to block and he's just wasted a bar of meter to get in for a blockstring.apart from that little trick the forceballs arnt really a problem,from full screen you can trade with arrows or reflect just fine.yeah dash is a problem but i dont think thats a specific problem for nightwolf,fuck the dash,i have shoulder which is a huge threat aswell.
 

NKZero

Warrior
what some players do to me is they throw a fast force ball,then just as its about to hit my reflect throw out a enhanced forceball making the first one disappear.at first it used to catch me off guard but there is time after the reflect to block and he's just wasted a bar of meter to get in for a blockstring.apart from that little trick the forceballs arnt really a problem,from full screen you can trade with arrows or reflect just fine.yeah dash is a problem but i dont think thats a specific problem for nightwolf,fuck the dash,i have shoulder which is a huge threat aswell.
But my point is shoulder is a big part of NW gameplay and likewise for Reptile's dash. The amount of times I have had my shoulder beaten out by dash is ridiculous. Yes I agree full screen force balls aren't a problem but I am talking about that range where you can reflect on reaction but is close enough to cause problems if a Reptile is smart with baits and fakes. Plus lightning can be useless almost in this match because Reptile is always moving around. Reptile cannot be zone happy though especially from full screen or else NW will mess him up.
 

trustinme

xbl-OBS trustinme
this is typical,yesterday i was talking how not many reptiles give me grief and this morning ive been beaten severely by 3 different random ones.im going to just read and not post in future.
 

NKZero

Warrior
this is typical,yesterday i was talking how not many reptiles give me grief and this morning ive been beaten severely by 3 different random ones.im going to just read and not post in future.
Don't let it get to you man. Reptile players are a pain in the ass especially online. Just rough out the match-up. It's still winnable :). You just need a bit more ancestors' strength than usual.
 

AK L0rdoftheFLY

I hatelove this game
Doesn't an aggressive Reptile cause all sorts of problems for Nightwolf? I see elbow dash being a real problem in this match. Also how can you not bait out reflect when you have different speeds of force balls? Doesn't the reflect have some recovery so you can't just re do-it after every second?
Reptile, like KL, seems over whealming at times but once you understand the gimmicks it becomes pretty simple.

-dash reflect...very hard to do online but offline it's a simple essential part of his game. Reptile CANNOT bait reflect if nw is dashing forward. He can't cancel his first force ball if he is not sure when your going to reflect it. Trust me I know how to get around this.

-punishing dash...online it's impossible but offline it should happen every time. An aggressive reptile will eventually run into you and eat 40%. If you can bait two dashes, round over.

-patients is the name of the game. After a dash most reptiles jump. PUNISH THAT SHIT! If they don't jump they will double dash or slide. PUNISH THAT SHIT! They might d4 acid hand...then make a read and cross over jump them on the dash because they already committed to it before the dash is over.

It's just exp...and by exp I mean offline exp.
 

NKZero

Warrior
Reptile, like KL, seems over whealming at times but once you understand the gimmicks it becomes pretty simple.

-dash reflect...very hard to do online but offline it's a simple essential part of his game. Reptile CANNOT bait reflect if nw is dashing forward. He can't cancel his first force ball if he is not sure when your going to reflect it. Trust me I know how to get around this.

-punishing dash...online it's impossible but offline it should happen every time. An aggressive reptile will eventually run into you and eat 40%. If you can bait two dashes, round over.

-patients is the name of the game. After a dash most reptiles jump. PUNISH THAT SHIT! If they don't jump they will double dash or slide. PUNISH THAT SHIT! They might d4 acid hand...then make a read and cross over jump them on the dash because they already committed to it before the dash is over.

It's just exp...and by exp I mean offline exp.
Yeah you are probably right....asshole :).

Could you explain the Smoke-NW match?
 

AK L0rdoftheFLY

I hatelove this game
Yeah you are probably right....asshole :).

Could you explain the Smoke-NW match?
Smoke has to hit you with smoke bomb to take damage because his pressure is more gimmicky than true pressure.(don't block low). He can't really hit nw with smoke bomb because of shoulder. He also has no armor and eh shake doesn't work on f3 so nw gets great pressure. Also, once nw gets the life lead smoke doesn't really have a comeback factor. Really all he can do is grab you. Get the life lead with shoulder and make him come to you.
 

NKZero

Warrior
Smoke has to hit you with smoke bomb to take damage because his pressure is more gimmicky than true pressure.(don't block low). He can't really hit nw with smoke bomb because of shoulder. He also has no armor and eh shake doesn't work on f3 so nw gets great pressure. Also, once nw gets the life lead smoke doesn't really have a comeback factor. Really all he can do is grab you. Get the life lead with shoulder and make him come to you.
6-4 NW?
 

dribirut

BLAK FELOW
dash beats shoulder nuff said lol.. on serious not d4 acid hand destroyyyyyyyyyyyys nightwolf

it doesnt let him in for shit he can f3 even after a blocked d4 let a lone a d4 acid hand.. even if reptile whiffs a d4 the distance is so large that its alllmost impossible to punish with f3.. obviously strings starting with 1 wont work.. your only hope would be to jump in but that very risky as thats exactly what you are trying to bait and can just double dash or njp..
you cant stand back and lightning as that is too slow and i can react with a dash.. this also allows reptile to jump in freely most of the time

and you obviously have no way of keeping reptile out soo game over lol

your only hope is hatchet on wake up but that very risky as well as i can easily cross you up...

ask rip crowly if he thinks this is even lol
 

AK L0rdoftheFLY

I hatelove this game
dash beats shoulder nuff said lol.. on serious not d4 acid hand destroyyyyyyyyyyyys nightwolf

it doesnt let him in for shit he can f3 even after a blocked d4 let a lone a d4 acid hand.. even if reptile whiffs a d4 the distance is so large that its alllmost impossible to punish with f3.. obviously strings starting with 1 wont work.. your only hope would be to jump in but that very risky as thats exactly what you are trying to bait and can just double dash or njp..
you cant stand back and lightning as that is too slow and i can react with a dash.. this also allows reptile to jump in freely most of the time

and you obviously have no way of keeping reptile out soo game over lol

your only hope is hatchet on wake up but that very risky as well as i can easily cross you up...

ask rip crowly if he thinks this is even lol
I'm sorry but basing a MU on online play is a little naive. Nw can't reflect on reaction consistently to forceballs and can't punish dash consistently. You sent me a message asking me to play but from the sound of your post it seems you just want to prove your online power. Maybe I'm wrong abiut you but the MU is 5-5 dude. the things you stated are true but it's easy to make it sound one sided when you only state the bad.

Reptile has to come to him to win. Nw can keep the life lead and meter lead by smart reflecting. Your jumps are never free(except for online). And dash may beat shoulder but run into me once and you will lose 40 or 60% depending on the situation. We can play on live but only if you don't have a chip in your shoulder. I'm the guy who hates online and only plays when asked.
 

dribirut

BLAK FELOW
I'm sorry but basing a MU on online play is a little naive. Nw can't reflect on reaction consistently to forceballs and can't punish dash consistently. You sent me a message asking me to play but from the sound of your post it seems you just want to prove your online power. Maybe I'm wrong abiut you but the MU is 5-5 dude. the things you stated are true but it's easy to make it sound one sided when you only state the bad.

Reptile has to come to him to win. Nw can keep the life lead and meter lead by smart reflecting. Your jumps are never free(except for online). And dash may beat shoulder but run into me once and you will lose 40 or 60% depending on the situation. We can play on live but only if you don't have a chip in your shoulder. I'm the guy who hates online and only plays when asked.
I dont just base it off of online.. Ive watched almost every tourny on stream and seen this matchup..

and me asking you to play is because i heard youre a good player nothing more. youre making assumptions about me based on nothing which is pretty stupid. And you stating as a fact that its 5-5 is stupid.. that is your opinion.

It also also dumb of you to get offended by what is my opinion and Im not stating it as a fact this is just what i believe.. Its a forum dude wher people voice their opinions... and id rather not play anymore you seem like youd just complain about it being online whenever something doesnt go your way.. Take it for what it is.. its just online

and were theory fighting which is never good lol
sorry if i offended anyone in this forum
 

AK L0rdoftheFLY

I hatelove this game
I dont just base it off of online.. Ive watched almost every tourny on stream and seen this matchup..

and me asking you to play is because i heard youre a good player nothing more. youre making assumptions about me based on nothing which is pretty stupid. And you stating as a fact that its 5-5 is stupid.. that is your opinion.

It also also dumb of you to get offended by what is my opinion and Im not stating it as a fact this is just what i believe.. Its a forum dude wher people voice their opinions... and id rather not play anymore you seem like youd just complain about it being online whenever something doesnt go your way.. Take it for what it is.. its just online

and were theory fighting which is never good lol
sorry if i offended anyone in this forum
It sounds as if your the one offended, not me. Your post made it seem as if because you played rip Crowley you know what's up. Just as I stated it was 5-5 you stated otherwise as if it were fact. Lol your being a bit hypocritical and your making assumptions about me based on nothing. My last post was very respectful and even suggested I could me wrong.

Calm down, re-read my post, and offer why you think my reasoning is wrong and we can discuss it.

Lol some people just love drama.
 

AK L0rdoftheFLY

I hatelove this game
dash beats shoulder nuff said lol.. on serious not d4 acid hand destroyyyyyyyyyyyys nightwolf

it doesnt let him in for shit he can f3 even after a blocked d4 let a lone a d4 acid hand.. even if reptile whiffs a d4 the distance is so large that its alllmost impossible to punish with f3.. obviously strings starting with 1 wont work.. your only hope would be to jump in but that very risky as thats exactly what you are trying to bait and can just double dash or njp..
you cant stand back and lightning as that is too slow and i can react with a dash.. this also allows reptile to jump in freely most of the time

and you obviously have no way of keeping reptile out soo game over lol

your only hope is hatchet on wake up but that very risky as well as i can easily cross you up...

ask rip crowly if he thinks this is even lol
Matter of fact, re-read your post here and tell me you don't sound like an arrogant ass. Lol. Half the stuff you said doesn't apply. Why would nw ever do lightning at you? You call me dumb yet your posts lack intelligence. Again hypocritical.
 

KH_Captain

Nightwolf wannabe
okay my explanation Sindel can win zoning by placing fbs where ever the hell she wants and bait reflects or make NW scared to reflect. NW can get it fairley easy on a good read, or using armor. once in he does hella damage with his combos sindel for the most pard doesn't. Sindel does levi cancel pressure mixups NW can armor choke a bitch. Sindel does have better low overhead mixups than NW that she must use to get knockdown and get space. NW wins offline due to being much easier to get through sindels zoning and armor and damage once in. sindel wins online due to being so difficult for NW to get through zoning and harder to fuzzy guard high low mixups which sindel can use to get space and continue zoning. this is my (a NW and Sindel players) view on this match lemme know what your opinions are dancock and Fly.