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Wemfs

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Shit.... imagine if f2 was an overhead, f3 was a low, and his lightning was cancelable. :D
 

NKZero

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Imagine that being an overhead. Not that NW lacks them.
The problem with Nightwolf's overheads is that they come mid-string so they are easily fuzzy guardable. Besides in the first place there is no reason to block low vs Nightwolf. He has no 50/50 mix-ups. He's all about footsies and making the right reads. You win with Nightwolf=you genuinely outplayed your opponent or they have no fucking idea the lightning cannot be blocked :p
 

Wemfs

The only morality in a cruel world is chance.
can you say S+++++++ tier? Maybe even Ancestors tier lol.
LOL Yeah he'd be winning majors left and right.

And about blocking low against Nightwolf.. I think the only string of his you should block low against is his f3, b4, but then again even on hit he is at -9 lol.. so never mind. Always block high against him.

Damn his sweep is freakin horrible. -8 on hit if the opponent tech rolls. :(

What's the point of him having all these overheads in his strings if there's no reason for the opponent to block low??
 

NKZero

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LOL Yeah he'd be winning majors left and right.

And about blocking low against Nightwolf.. I think the only string of his you should block low against is his f3, b4, but then again even on hit he is at -9 lol.. so never mind. Always block high against him.

Damn his sweep is freakin horrible. -8 on hit if the opponent tech rolls. :(

What's the point of him having all these overheads in his strings if there's no reason for the opponent to block low??
I have no idea. F3 being low wouldn't even make him overpowered. With Nightwolf you just have to make them respect the shoulder and that alone allows you to dash in and begin your own pressure. F3 string is still really good and if you can land a few throws here and there then you are doing the right thing. His offense is basic but potentially devastating if you play it right.
 

AK L0rdoftheFLY

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Imagine that being an overhead. Not that NW lacks them.
This is one tool that NW needs. That move is almost useless.

It hits high, and is slower than a shoulder and is more punishable...why not just use shoulder.

Also did you know that if you reflect an iceball into f2 ex lightning, the lightning won't pop them up? They took nw and said..."your dumb, NO TOOLS"

Freaking look at jax
 

Wemfs

The only morality in a cruel world is chance.
This is one tool that NW needs. That move is almost useless.

It hits high, and is slower than a shoulder and is more punishable...why not just use shoulder.

Also did you know that if you reflect an iceball into f2 ex lightning, the lightning won't pop them up? They took nw and said..."your dumb, NO TOOLS"

Freaking look at jax
So is there anything you do use f2 for?

Same question goes to Big D. Is F2 complete crap? Do you use it at all? If so, how do you use it?
 

NKZero

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This is one tool that NW needs. That move is almost useless.

It hits high, and is slower than a shoulder and is more punishable...why not just use shoulder.

Also did you know that if you reflect an iceball into f2 ex lightning, the lightning won't pop them up? They took nw and said..."your dumb, NO TOOLS"

Freaking look at jax
NRS nerfed him based on real life character powers lol. How ironic that Nightwolf begs for NRS to give him strength before each match.

On a serious note is there any set-up for throwing out that slow ass F2? Does it have similar effects to B2 in terms of being a useful lunging normal in the footsies game or whatever?

Also why did you say ex lightning? EX? That is highly unlike you, eh? :)
 

AK L0rdoftheFLY

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NRS nerfed him based on real life character powers lol. How ironic that Nightwolf begs for NRS to give him strength before each match.

On a serious note is there any set-up for throwing out that slow ass F2? Does it have similar effects to B2 in terms of being a useful lunging normal in the footsies game or whatever?

Also why did you say ex lightning? EX? That is highly unlike you, eh? :)
Unlike b2 it will wiff a ducking opponent...as a lunging normal it isn't very good because it is 20 frames. Solder is 10 frames and has more range. It's freaking twice as fast!

It is 0 on block so it is safer than shoulder...but shoulder is only -3 so they are both safe.

Ex eh...blah blah. Same thing. Lol
 

AK L0rdoftheFLY

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That's because some NW player did well at EVO and NRS said he must be pretty good. Jax on the other hand was still considered to be a scrub at that time.
When hector was sitting behind me watching me play MIT in casuals after the Detroit controversy. I didn't realize the opportunity I had right there. I won and therefore made NW look good but I missed the chance to outline his flaws...Grrrr I look back and wish I had said something. That was when I still thought NW was top tier...lol

Now that I think about it...f2 only has one use worth talking about. After an arrow trap there is exactly a 20 frame window before they can move, duck or jump. So a f2 works well there...but only there. And I know that wasn't intended by NRS.
 
When hector was sitting behind me watching me play MIT in casuals after the Detroit controversy. I didn't realize the opportunity I had right there. I won and therefore made NW look good but I missed the chance to outline his flaws...Grrrr I look back and wish I had said something. That was when I still thought NW was top tier...lol

Now that I think about it...f2 only has one use worth talking about. After an arrow trap there is exactly a 20 frame window before they can move, duck or jump. So a f2 works well there...but only there. And I know that wasn't intended by NRS.

Proof that NW is not top tier and the reason why he is not!!!!!

It is all your fault Fly. :)
 

Wemfs

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So Nightwolf has all these overheads in his strings for no reason lol .. since none of his strings have a low hitter except that horrible f3, b4.
 

Breaker

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He is amazing I don't care for all this data and match up stuff, bottom line he is an awesome character if you don't choke and push the next dude to play your game. My god can he reach!! 122 b22 or a 11 into axe is guaranteed if they jump or poke, dash block almost 90% they get caught with it. Big D here showed the NW community just how deadly he can be if you're on point.
 

Big D

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He is amazing I don't care for all this data and match up stuff, bottom line he is an awesome character if you don't choke and push the next dude to play your game. My god can he reach!! 122 b22 or a 11 into axe is guaranteed if they jump or poke, dash block almost 90% they get caught with it. Big D here showed the NW community just how deadly he can be if you're on point.
He really is an extremely solid character that just doesn't get the credit he deserves, solely because of the frame data. Good footsies and patience is all you need to use NW efficiently. No matter how hard I try to make him, he is not a "pressure" kind of character. At least the way I play him, there is no room for constant pokes unless your playing Kabal.
 

AK L0rdoftheFLY

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He really is an extremely solid character that just doesn't get the credit he deserves, solely because of the frame data. Good footsies and patience is all you need to use NW efficiently. No matter how hard I try to make him, he is not a "pressure" kind of character. At least the way I play him, there is no room for constant pokes unless your playing Kabal.
Every character is good if played right. I know nw can compete he is my main...but only compared to other characters can you complain.

He is designed for footsies yet he really doesn't have the best footsies. I have a great trap I will share soon. It's simple yet effective...many players use it but they don't know why...I'll fill you all in tomorrow. Sleep now.
 

AK L0rdoftheFLY

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Something I realized only after playing with cage is why f3 d3 f3 works so well. With cage, timing a d3 at the right time when opponents are trying to counter poke gives him +3 and let's him check with a f3 knee for free.

The same applies to NW.
While trying to interrupts strings, people usually go for low pokes. Before they realize that f31 isn't coming out, nw can put out a d3.

*The Key is that if they try to low poke but your d3 beats them it's puts you at + 10 frames!

So when pressuring with f3, use d3 constantly in order to cause a frame trap. Being at +10 gives you a free f3. Only on crouching opponents...also always counter poke with d3...it instantly gives nw the pressure.
 

NKZero

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Something I realized only after playing with cage is why f3 d3 f3 works so well. With cage, timing a d3 at the right time when opponents are trying to counter poke gives him +3 and let's him check with a f3 knee for free.

The same applies to NW.
While trying to interrupts strings, people usually go for low pokes. Before they realize that f31 isn't coming out, nw can put out a d3.

*The Key is that if they try to low poke but your d3 beats them it's puts you at + 10 frames!

So when pressuring with f3, use d3 constantly in order to cause a frame trap. Being at +10 gives you a free f3. Only on crouching opponents...also always counter poke with d3...it instantly gives nw the pressure.
Also if they block D3 could you not link in an axe swing to beat out their counter poke and launch?
 

Breaker

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I don't know if this was meant to be like this or not but when I feel the opponent is about to approach ( in any way) I just start a b11 or b22 or 122 string or a 2 3 into shoulder and it always reaches in somehow and I get the hit or combo or w.e. AHH how pitiful that he doesn't have a single low hit.