Netherrealm, We Have a Problem

[Roy Arkon]

You've really gotta work on your punctuation, friend. No flow at all.

More importantly, my longest post would have a word count shorter than your daily output of poorly written slop.

Sorry Travis Scott. TYM didn't stop KP3 from happening.

The fact that you have to say ANYTHING just to come at me proves my point. You do not know what punctuation even means.

And you call my posts slops yet all you do is shit posting almost enitrely. And yes you also made long posts before. You are not fooling anyone.

Anyone who comes from the outside looks at comments like yours and this is why this joke of a community is in shambles for years now. And that is why NRS devs and pros are nit here anymore, because they all look at you for what you are, a toxic shitposter.

Even when I agree with you, you still have to come at me, because you need this like air. You are a junky.

MK games do not need longer support, they need a better community and you are a part of the problem.

 

[kabelfritz]

MK1 surprised me. I hated the idea of kameos and thought the it would be shit. MK1 is a great game that got better each patch. It also has the best cast of any MK game imo. I think it is a return to form after the boring POS that was MK11.

almost exactly my thoughts. just the patches added a bit too much unga-bunga.

 

[Vulgar]

The fact that you have to say ANYTHING just to come at me proves my point. You do not know what punctuation even means.

And you call my posts slops yet all you do is shit posting almost enitrely. And yes you also made long posts before. You are not fooling anyone.

Anyone who comes from the outside looks at comments like yours and this is why this joke of a community is in shambles for years now. And that is why NRS devs and pros are nit here anymore, because they all look at you for what you are, a toxic shitposter.

Even when I agree with you, you still have to come at me, because you need this like air. You are a junky.

MK games do not need longer support, they need a better community and you are a part of the problem.

All this because I correctly pointed out that you're incapable of making arguments in a concise way.

I highly doubt the vast majority of pro players or devs even know who I am.

But hey, keep telling me how important I am. I could use the glazing. Feels good, man.

 

[Roy Arkon]

All this because I correctly pointed out that you're incapable of making arguments in a concise way.

I highly doubt the vast majority of pro players even know who I am.

But hey, keep telling me how important I am. I could use the glazing. Feels good, man.

LMAO, this is not about them knowing you, it is about the content of your comments. You are a part of the problem, but alone you are a nobody, which is why you keep doing this, because you need do much to be a hero. You are just like all the MK internet bashers. You all think you are way bigger than you really are.

And you yourself make long posts. Just over a month ago you made a long response to Boxy and that was not even in a community thread, where posts are usually short.

That is how a junky acts. Being delusional and with no accountability.

Like I said,you are not fooling anyone.

 

[Vulgar]

LMAO, this is not about them knowing you, it is about the content of your comments. You are a part of the problem, but alone you are a nobody, which is why you keep doing this, because you need do much to be a hero. You are just like all the MK internet bashers. You all think you are way bigger than you really are.

And you yourself make long posts. Just over a month ago you made a long response to Boxy and that was not even in a community thread, where posts are usually short.

That is how a junky acts. Being delusional and with no accountability.

Like I said,you are not fooling anyone.

Men really will go on an incoherent rant rather than go to therapy, huh?

A hero? Oh my, Roy. Stop it. You're gonna make me blush.

 

[CrimsonShadow]

Guys, once it gets to the point where it’s no longer about the game, it’s probably best taken to a DM.

 

[Tom Brady]

How did this thread turn into this...

 

[Eddy Wang]

How did this thread turn into this...

Mr. Roy came in Guns blazing

 

[Roy Arkon]

Mr. Roy came in Guns blazing

You mean Vulgar.

But back to the topic, NRS clearly don't miss any quality, they only keep the quality high on all fronts.

We are still gonna get more skins as datamined showed in each season, and we are gonna get at least a couple of patches more, most likely.

But regardless, MK1 is truly anazing and I still having a blast with it.

 

[Trickywizard]

Oh yes, Ed Boon himself is just scouring the...what, 12 people that post here regularly. Positively hanging on our every word, really. If only Trickywizard had posted more, THEN we would have gotten KP3!!!

You're very smart.

To be clear, I didn’t want kp3, I didn’t want anything else, I’m so ready for a new MK game. Can’t wait to see what they take away from Lao this time.

 

[Trickywizard]

Guys, once it gets to the point where it’s no longer about the game, it’s probably best taken to a DM.

Vulgar and the other clown always get warnings they keep doing it…. Is it time for more drastic actions?

 

[YagamiFire]

How did this thread turn into this...

Injury to the fragile ego of a schizophrenic.

Meanwhile I'll enjoy my "Yeah I knew it" victory lap.

Hope whatever comes out next from NRS is much better. They need to take some SERIOUS time and do some restructuring both in methodology and potentially staff allocation to get things running better and smoother. NRS needs a general refresh to their approach to games and needs to come out of the gates swinging with something VERY impressive for whatever they show next.

Broken promises, a bad launch and a reboot that then went right back to the well of the time-shenanigans we just left really seem to have hurt the game with casuals and that is the life blood of MK. Genuinely hope their next offering is stronger and delivers on more of their promises and the standard that now exists for fighting games in general.

MK games do not need longer support, they need a better community and you are a part of the problem.

If anyone EVER doubts there are people that absolutely parasocially attach themselves to IPs, just think of batshit insane shit like this.

No, the bad launch isn't the problem. The customers are.
No, the lie of support lifetime isn't the problem. The customers are.
No, the long list of issues plaguing the game aren't the problem. The customers are.
No, the lack of value many people feel isn't the problem. THE CUSTOMERS ARE.

If it has the brand [Mortal Kombat] on it, you fucking pay your $110 and sing its praises as if it was excreted from the freshly Brazilian'd butthole of Princess Kitana herself! Otherwise SHUT UP! And if the game fails, ITS YOUR FAULT!

Praise be to Boon, the only man born without flaw in the last 2000 years. Praise be to him, NRS and the Toasty spirit. No heretics allowed!

This is how you get Gamestop employees getting maced because Sonics arms are blue.

 

[FrozenG3oX]

Great thread, guys.

 

[Afk Skinny]

Sucks because prior to 11, MK was my favorite gaming franchise. X even had me kinda turning my head a bit, but felt better with XL. The game modes have just gotten worse to me and a downright travesty at this point. I would sacrifice a story mode just for a Konquest mode. Doesn't even have to be a coherent plot just let me run around and unlock shit or take my koins to the krypt (this needs to comeback but not 11's version).

I've come around to accepting kameos but would rather just have a straight up 1 v 1, no variations just pick a character and get to it. And this is hands down my favorite roster of any MK game. Whatever nrs does next will be the first time I don't preorder and just wait on a sale, if I want to get it at all. I do think at this time MK1 is a solid base to build off, but they always have to start from scratch. Just have to wait and see. MK9 > X > 1 > 11

fuck wb

 

[Lt. Boxy Angelman]

i'm tired of the zero communication bullshit. "we are a live service and we support for years" but they dont actually support any sort of communication. Its fucking awful. WB doesn't give a shit and numerous heads at NRS don't give a shit either. fuck em

If someone gave guys like you and @Mr Aquaman an hour a week to be the Ultradavids of NRS and tell us everything we need to know, we'd never have this problem again.

My biggest problem has never been the game, just like MK11. It's NRS. WB or no WB, there's nothing stopping them or Stephanie or Tyler or Derek or anyone else who claims to speak on behalf of this game from being louder than crickets in a crowded room. Nothing. Never has been. Even if MK1 had been 100x more than the fully-priced year-long beta test that turned into the present-day "full" version of the game, it wouldn't have changed the fact that communication between the makers and the players has been nonexistant ever since the beginning of MK11, and has shown no signs of changing. 16 Bit shows up at the January reveal, they tell us Custom Variations are the sequel to MKX, Baraka and Skarlet are back, everyone rejoyces...aaaaaand then the Beta ends, all of that turns out to be a lie, and the great big silence begins.

I will say it again and again and again and again until it changes: if you're going to have a gimmick like a Kombat Kast that allegedly exists to inform and teach in a way that matters for anything other than selling DLC, it needs to be operated by people who actually give a modicum of a fuck about the community they claim to represent, instead of dead-eyed company shills and former competitors who had been around to know exactly what proper comms look like.

Also, real talk: stop making Story Modes until you're willing to pay someone talented to write you a decent story mode. Injustice 2 might have been the best NRS story ever done, and it's been nothing but garbage ever since. I'm still waiting for an explanation as to how, even in a multiverse, MK11 Sindel could have been evil from the very beginning, when the suicide ward that she puts on Earthrealm to protect it from Shao Kahn is the entire reason the plot of all of Mortal Kombat has to happen in the first place. How you manage to write a paradox into a story with infinite realities is almost impressive, but they did it.

Anyway.
Glad the game doesn't really suck anymore.
It's a shame we had to get here like we did.

 

[MK9KevAgain]

What Worked For Me

1. Honestly the game is very beautiful. At first I was against the more cartoonish look compared to MK11, but it has grown on me a lot. The stages look the best they have ever been. My only gripe with this is no stage fatalities.
2. The roster is fucking fire. Besides the Superman clones, I enjoyed every DLC character as well. Best roster since MK9.
3. The soundtrack is an improvement from MK11(which I actually really liked). Some of the tracks give me a 3D Era era feel to them too which is always a plus.
4. Reptile. Reptile. Reptile. If they can somehow keep this version of Reptile moving forward…
5. The Kameo system. I know a lot of people don’t like it, but if there was a way to turn it off, I think people would be more accepting to it. I thought the Kameo system was an interesting approach since it’s MK’s first time being an assist type game. This could have been a great opportunity to really show off the MK Lore too by showing a variety of characters who are fan favs but didn’t make it to the roster.
6. Combos feel and flow at an amazing pace. MK11 was my least favorite in terms of gameplay, but MK1 greatly improved it.
7. Some of the skins look amazing, and I’m glad that women are allowed to look more revealing this time around.
8. Floyd was actually really fun. Having to figure out what to do and how to find him and to beat him really brought back that MK9/classic MK secretive hunt. We need more of these.

What Did Not Work

1. The lack of communication. It’s EXPECTED at this point. That’s how bad it is. We know they’re not gonna address the fans directly, and when they do, it’s like a step forward and nine steps back. They have straight up lied and gaslit their fan base for years so much so that even casuals have seen what they’re about now. I saw someone on here say NRS should rename themselves as NDA because they can’t say shit.
2. There have been horrible launches, and MK is not the worst but it is still pretty noticeable how lackluster the launch was.
3. The greed. Holy shit was it so fucking obvious this time around. Skins being ten dollars. Deception Li Mei and Deadly Alliance Nitara/Scorpion are still at the original prize. Not to mention their dogshit rotation they got going on. Why can’t I just buy the skins I want without this weird rotation bs they have going on? The story expansion was not worth that price too, and that ending was horrible.
4. This had the potential to be the best MK story, and in a lot of ways it is. But ultimately it’s a miss. The beginning and middle were sooooo good until the whole multiverse crap came into play. I understand that it’s a direct sequel to MK11 which in a way introduced the concept, but them going full blown comic book multiverse irked me to a new degree. Why on Earth are they so obsessed with making MK like the fucking DC Universe? I love comic book shit, but it does not belong in MK at all. If MK11 got anything right, it was the aesthetic of classic MK. That gothic feel. This MK feels like it’s trying to be too much like a superhero show and I’m not for it.
5. The character changes and decisions. Johnny Cage having no forceball is fucking wild. Reptile didn’t even have his classic spit until it was patched in later. Maybe it’s because we’re back to 1 and the characters are supposed to be revamped or whatever, but goddammit why is Hanzo a child and not Scorpion. It’s a disrespectful notion to the fans who grew up with these characters. Cyrax and Sektor being female was a miss. The new Raiden has the most punchable face in all of MK, like where is my classic “ENOUGH!” and the menacing booming voice. They EVEN BROUGHT BACK OG RAIDEN IN THE STORY AND THERE IS NO SKIN OF HIM. The alignment of these characters also need to be reworked on. Tanya and Jade are interchangeable at this point. Ermac is finally revealed to have the soul of King Jerrod. Wow it only took more than a decade. These story beats and payoffs would have made more sense in the previous timeline.
6. I have never really complained about this, but I think MK has got to find some form of formula when it comes to their gameplay. Playing Tekken and Street Fighter made me realize I want this. Every character in the history of MK(maybe besides the 3DEra) has felt different with every new game that comes out.
7. It’s boring. Invasions is fucking boring. No Test Your Sight, no Test Your Luck. But hey The Towers of Time is back!! They know we want a Konquest mode and this shit is just them laughing at our face. I’ll take MK11’s Krypt over this dog pile of excrement. I hope they never do it again, cause if this is the closest they can do to a Konquest mode then they shouldn’t even try to make one.
8. “thIS IS gONnA bE tHe LoNGEst supPoRteD MK.” Nah fam, you can support these nuts on your face. Stop saying shit like this three games in a row cause now ain’t nobody gonna believe a word they say.
9. I can’t believe I’m saying this again but how THE FUCK do you have an MK game without the OGs. Like I’m not even that big of a fan towards Sonya and Kano, but for crying out loud they brought back the acronym MK1 just to not have all of the characters from the original game be playable?! They take their criticisms to the extreme and end up going backwards instead of forward. “Oh you didn’t like that the Special Forces in the last game? We fixed it by getting rid of it all completely thus removing the most iconic human characters!!”

Tl;Dr: This game gets 6/10 for me. I have never felt alienated by MK before, but this game put me through a wild ride of fan-induced rage. So many misses with not enough hits for me. And that little shiver of hope that I had for more DLC content died with the reveal of the Definite Edition so… This is the most jarring MK because it has so many qualities that make it good, but so many other aspects that make me dislike the game. NRS needs to do better by truly and genuinely listening to their fans and they also need to stop with the lies. It’s not a good look, and it makes longtime fans not have faith in what they can deliver.

 

[kantboy2]

Taking this site from toxic to sweet to appease a developer/publisher will only give it FGC diabetes.

Let's be real; game sucked at launch, mtx soured everybody that paid a premium and NDA acts like a freakin' NDA if an NDA was a fighter developer studio.

Game did turn around and become fun, but it's still missing options and this announcement just killed any hype the game had going because they do not communicate anything, unless it's to sell stuff...

 

[Roy Arkon]

Injury to the fragile ego of a schizophrenic.

Meanwhile I'll enjoy my "Yeah I knew it" victory lap.

Hope whatever comes out next from NRS is much better. They need to take some SERIOUS time and do some restructuring both in methodology and potentially staff allocation to get things running better and smoother. NRS needs a general refresh to their approach to games and needs to come out of the gates swinging with something VERY impressive for whatever they show next.

Broken promises, a bad launch and a reboot that then went right back to the well of the time-shenanigans we just left really seem to have hurt the game with casuals and that is the life blood of MK. Genuinely hope their next offering is stronger and delivers on more of their promises and the standard that now exists for fighting games in general.



If anyone EVER doubts there are people that absolutely parasocially attach themselves to IPs, just think of batshit insane shit like this.

No, the bad launch isn't the problem. The customers are.
No, the lie of support lifetime isn't the problem. The customers are.
No, the long list of issues plaguing the game aren't the problem. The customers are.
No, the lack of value many people feel isn't the problem. THE CUSTOMERS ARE.

If it has the brand [Mortal Kombat] on it, you fucking pay your $110 and sing its praises as if it was excreted from the freshly Brazilian'd butthole of Princess Kitana herself! Otherwise SHUT UP! And if the game fails, ITS YOUR FAULT!

Praise be to Boon, the only man born without flaw in the last 2000 years. Praise be to him, NRS and the Toasty spirit. No heretics allowed!

This is how you get Gamestop employees getting maced because Sonics arms are blue.

Standard that exists in other fighting games? LMAO that is BEYOND stupid.

MK1 came out with 22 chars at launch, while the vast majority of other games including SF6 come out with less than 20 while still charge for full price. But MK1 is bad and the rest are good.

MK1 has the greatest story mode of all time, while SF6 brings a horrible story with the most insulting ending of all time in World Tour and Tekken 8 turning the Tekken IP into a giant anime slop, all coming in with taking 10 steps back in their lore by bringing back both Bison and Heihachi. Meaning that they were lying all along.

MK1 came in with some bugs just like pretty much all games come in, while both SF6 and T8 launched with bugs that were 10 times worse and were truly game breaking, some of which are still in the game since launch, like the input buffer bug in SF6.

MK1 is the most balanced fighting game right now as well as the most complete game both in single player content and competitive elements on top of having the replay value of the single player content being able to last for a nearly a year and a half at the very least, while SF6 and T8 have so many issues and design flaws across the board while the replay value of the single player content for both games combined can only last 7 months at most.

MK1 just announced the Definitive Edition along with the "And more" line meaning that there is more content coming, which means they didn't lie, while Tekken 8 straight up lied to it's players by saying they would make the game more defensive only to make it more offensive instead.

MK1 had DLC practices of having a new char every 2 months while both SF6 and T8 had gaps of 3-5 between chars while charging for the same or even higher prices than MK1. Also MK1 has very reasonable prices for it's MTX items, while SF6 charged items for 15-24 dollars and Tekken 8 hide it's MTX shop until after the reviews were out.

But no, NRS/WB are the only liars and the only bad guys while Capcom and Bamco are doing only good.

And it's funny that you talk about being schizophrenic, fragile egos and parasocial attachment, because you also say you are taking the "victory lap" as if you are going into a war with NRS/WB and anyone who likes them and their games, almost like you're trying to convince yourself you are in a war.

You're basically projecting yourself, you are the schizophrenic one.

I will give you one thing, the customers are not the problem, it's you and the interent community, and no, not all of you on the interent buy MK games, while you still bitch about them, so you're not the same group.

 

[Vulgar]

Standard that exists in other fighting games? LMAO that is BEYOND stupid.

MK1 came out with 22 chars at launch, while the vast majority of other games including SF6 come out with less than 20 while still charge for full price. But MK1 is bad and the rest are good.

MK1 has the greatest story mode of all time, while SF6 brings a horrible story with the most insulting ending of all time in World Tour and Tekken 8 turning the Tekken IP into a giant anime slop, all coming in with taking 10 steps back in their lore by bringing back both Bison and Heihachi. Meaning that they were lying all along.

MK1 came in with some bugs just like pretty much all games come in, while both SF6 and T8 launched with bugs that were 10 times worse and were truly game breaking, some of which are still in the game since launch, like the input buffer bug in SF6.

MK1 is the most balanced fighting game right now as well as the most complete game both in single player content and competitive elements on top of having the replay value of the single player content being able to last for a nearly a year and a half at the very least, while SF6 and T8 have so many issues and design flaws across the board while the replay value of the single player content for both games combined can only last 7 months at most.

MK1 just announced the Definitive Edition along with the "And more" line meaning that there is more content coming, which means they didn't lie, while Tekken 8 straight up lied to it's players by saying they would make the game more defensive only to make it more offensive instead.

MK1 had DLC practices of having a new char every 2 months while both SF6 and T8 had gaps of 3-5 between chars while charging for the same or even higher prices than MK1. Also MK1 has very reasonable prices for it's MTX items, while SF6 charged items for 15-24 dollars and Tekken 8 hide it's MTX shop until after the reviews were out.

But no, NRS/WB are the only liars and the only bad guys while Capcom and Bamco are doing only good.

And it's funny that you talk about being schizophrenic, fragile egos and parasocial attachment, because you also say you are taking the "victory lap" as if you are going into a war with NRS/WB and anyone who likes them and their games, almost like you're trying to convince yourself you are in a war.

You're basically projecting yourself, you are the schizophrenic one.

I will give you one thing, the customers are not the problem, it's you and the interent community, and no, not all of you on the interent buy MK games, while you still bitch about them, so you're not the same group.

Tekken has always been anime as fuck, story wise.

 

[Amplified$hotz]

https://x.com/i/web/status/1923044769086783774

 

[superbn0va]

MK is really MK no more..

As a fan of MK, I’m very disappointed how much attention super heroes get over original MK characters.

The strategy to make moneys is taking over the entire series at this point.

I would rather see NRS make Injustice vs MK and keep the MK games about MK characters.

 

[MK9KevAgain]

MK is really MK no more..

As a fan of MK, I’m very disappointed how much attention super heroes get over original MK characters.

The strategy to make moneys is taking over the entire series at this point.

I would rather see NRS make Injustice vs MK and keep the MK games about MK characters.

They’re greedy af dude. And I’m not surprised if they keep failing in the future. The 2020’s did not do well for WB.
But I will say, at least MK1 is not as disastrous as Suicide Squad.

 

[Roy Arkon]

Tekken has always been anime as fuck, story wise.

They had a few anime parts, including a few anime Arcade mode endings, but ever since Tekken 7 they started to take more and more anime elements, and now Tekken 8 is basically a CG anime IP. All of the stolen story parts from Dragon Ball, Naruto and Bleach, and the use of the power of friendship vs. raw power (Naruto, and it's also in Arcade Quest in the same vein as the Pokemon anime) and characters wanna fight other strong characters because they are interested in power and make decisions based on that alone (DBZ). All of these elements were not in Tekken before, even with the anime-like Arcade endings, but now they are.

 

[ImpostorOak]

Injustass nooooo

 

[Lt. Boxy Angelman]

Standard that exists in other fighting games? LMAO that is BEYOND stupid.

MK1 came out with 22 chars at launch, while the vast majority of other games including SF6 come out with less than 20 while still charge for full price. But MK1 is bad and the rest are good.

MK1 has the greatest story mode of all time, while SF6 brings a horrible story with the most insulting ending of all time in World Tour and Tekken 8 turning the Tekken IP into a giant anime slop, all coming in with taking 10 steps back in their lore by bringing back both Bison and Heihachi. Meaning that they were lying all along.

MK1 came in with some bugs just like pretty much all games come in, while both SF6 and T8 launched with bugs that were 10 times worse and were truly game breaking, some of which are still in the game since launch, like the input buffer bug in SF6.

MK1 is the most balanced fighting game right now as well as the most complete game both in single player content and competitive elements on top of having the replay value of the single player content being able to last for a nearly a year and a half at the very least, while SF6 and T8 have so many issues and design flaws across the board while the replay value of the single player content for both games combined can only last 7 months at most.

MK1 just announced the Definitive Edition along with the "And more" line meaning that there is more content coming, which means they didn't lie, while Tekken 8 straight up lied to it's players by saying they would make the game more defensive only to make it more offensive instead.

MK1 had DLC practices of having a new char every 2 months while both SF6 and T8 had gaps of 3-5 between chars while charging for the same or even higher prices than MK1. Also MK1 has very reasonable prices for it's MTX items, while SF6 charged items for 15-24 dollars and Tekken 8 hide it's MTX shop until after the reviews were out.

But no, NRS/WB are the only liars and the only bad guys while Capcom and Bamco are doing only good.

And it's funny that you talk about being schizophrenic, fragile egos and parasocial attachment, because you also say you are taking the "victory lap" as if you are going into a war with NRS/WB and anyone who likes them and their games, almost like you're trying to convince yourself you are in a war.

You're basically projecting yourself, you are the schizophrenic one.

I will give you one thing, the customers are not the problem, it's you and the interent community, and no, not all of you on the interent buy MK games, while you still bitch about them, so you're not the same group.

It's not. NRS is the problem.

You can fanboy all day and night, but it won't change that there's no excuse for the way NRS has handled business for the past six years.

I get that you live for the opportunity to be contradictory, and I get that to a certain extent, and I know I'm risking an entire two days of argumentative notifications of you trying to talk me in circles to make yourself sound right, but you're wrong, and there's literally no argument or convoluted whataboutism you can think of that will make you right.

I fucking love Mortal Kombat, Roy. Just as much as you appear to. That is the thing we have in common that makes me wish you would just acknowledge that it isn't all sunshine and lollipops right now. I'll even give you the points that now, NOW IN 2025, for casual players or people trying to improve overall at being a fighting game player, MK1 is almost inarguably the most appealing starter Pokemon by a country mile as far as major fighting games in rotation right now.

However, the way we got here is fucking gross, and all the positive vibes only rhetoric in the world won't change that.