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Nerfs. In november patch we have them, but that is not enough

Who must be nerfed?

  • Black Adam

    Votes: 56 33.7%

  • Supergirl

    Votes: 128 77.1%

  • Firestorm

    Votes: 30 18.1%

  • Superman

    Votes: 33 19.9%

  • The flash

    Votes: 41 24.7%

  • Brainiac

    Votes: 16 9.6%

  • Catwoman

    Votes: 69 41.6%

  • Dr Fate

    Votes: 28 16.9%
  • Total voters
    166
Zhidoreptiloid

Zhidoreptiloid

Watcher from the sky
I glad that bats, RH and deadshot are nerfed, but adam and supergirl are untouched, that means that they both will be top-3 anyway, i think, buffing of firestorm is little broke him - he was solid, he dont need any buffs.
I think, flash's damage must be slightly reduced and hitbox of divekick of brainiac must be corrected- now divekick wins all air-to-air trades
 
DDutchguy

DDutchguy

Stand 4'ing airplanes out of the sky
Firestorm in the nerf list next to Catwoman, Black Adam and Supergirl? That's a pretty hot take on the Firestorm buffs.

Supergirl and Catwoman are the only two that would need a little more adjusting, but in my opinion not by much. I don't fight enough Adams to really talk about him, but at best I'd say that orbs shouldn't be able to finish the round/match because it's so free. Brainiac is annoying but besides that his divekick wins nearly every trade he's all good. Flash is pretty strong but not in need of nerfs in my opinion, and Fate/Supes are good.
 
AkioOf100

AkioOf100

I play Raph
Flash has unfuzziable 50/50s that lead into 600 dmg conversions into 25/25/25/25 setups. I'm good. Make them more unsafe by making lightning kick -21 on block if not charged and remove the stagger-ability of d12. Also fix his crouching hitbox, he goes under stuff w/ normals other than sweep.

Superman's lasers need a check. Whoever said its ok to have sweeping lasers in a platformer video game is crazy. Idk what they could do to them bc he'd be ruined if they nerfed them too hard but they are really strong and hit everywhere.

Make Brainiac's d1 a mid but let the extended d1 still be a low. People don't realize how powerful of a change this is. He can stagger d1 and jail into an instant overhead or another d1 that you cannot fuzzy or backdash, they're both instant. Near a background bounce? You're gonna die. LOL. So fix that, that's about it for him imo. People generally block overhead against him anyway so it's alright that he has the instant overhead.

Supergirl is good, just make her hurtbox on her d1 more .. approachable? Her d1 has weird pushback so she always has advantage on poke battles.

Black Adam is really good, I just don't know what you could change about him to make him less .. suffocating? Perhaps make his low lightning do less damage and don't let his trait kill.

NERF SCARECROWS TRAIT. It's not only annoying, but unfair that characters that cannot keep up in the damage department are literally brutalized by his trait. They can completely have the advantage as far as position and rush-down, but you're still taking DoT and his trait is still rising. I think it should not kill for one, and not do damage if he's under hit stun. That's all.

Catwoman is really hard to nerf because all her power comes from her staggers and how hard she is to hit. Adjust her backdash? It's really stupid, it goes under everything. I don't mind anything else aside from maybe her hurtbox in comparison to other characters. I'm a beetle main and I can't land some of my most optimal mid-screen combos on her, so I have to go with the less damaging options just because of her hurtbox.

Dr. Fate is completely fine where he is.

Firestorm is fine. I don't know why they buffed him but we'll see how he turns out.
 
EMPRESS_SunFire

EMPRESS_SunFire

Regina George of discord
AkioOf100 said:
Flash has unfuzziable 50/50s that lead into 600 dmg conversions into 25/25/25/25 setups. I'm good. Make them more unsafe by making lightning kick -21 on block if not charged and remove the stagger-ability of d12. Also fix his crouching hitbox, he goes under stuff w/ normals other than sweep.

Superman's lasers need a check. Whoever said its ok to have sweeping lasers in a platformer video game is crazy. Idk what they could do to them bc he'd be ruined if they nerfed them too hard but they are really strong and hit everywhere.

Make Brainiac's d1 a mid but let the extended d1 still be a low. People don't realize how powerful of a change this is. He can stagger d1 and jail into an instant overhead or another d1 that you cannot fuzzy or backdash, they're both instant. Near a background bounce? You're gonna die. LOL. So fix that, that's about it for him imo. People generally block overhead against him anyway so it's alright that he has the instant overhead.

Supergirl is good, just make her hurtbox on her d1 more .. approachable? Her d1 has weird pushback so she always has advantage on poke battles.

Black Adam is really good, I just don't know what you could change about him to make him less .. suffocating? Perhaps make his low lightning do less damage and don't let his trait kill.

NERF SCARECROWS TRAIT. It's not only annoying, but unfair that characters that cannot keep up in the damage department are literally brutalized by his trait. They can completely have the advantage as far as position and rush-down, but you're still taking DoT and his trait is still rising. I think it should not kill for one, and not do damage if he's under hit stun. That's all.

Catwoman is really hard to nerf because all her power comes from her staggers and how hard she is to hit. Adjust her backdash? It's really stupid, it goes under everything. I don't mind anything else aside from maybe her hurtbox in comparison to other characters. I'm a beetle main and I can't land some of my most optimal mid-screen combos on her, so I have to go with the less damaging options just because of her hurtbox.

Dr. Fate is completely fine where he is.

Firestorm is fine. I don't know why they buffed him but we'll see how he turns out.
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Scarecrow's trait got a slight nerf in this patch lol

Catwoman is not powerful because of her staggers lol, idk why people complain about those, they are not great... Staggers in general are not that great in this game unless there's a gap somewhere that would remove the ability to OS a poke. Just nerf B3 and her 1F2 maybe even 2D2 and she's good to go imo.

Adam could get his EX divekick changed so it's never +

Fate is not gonna be fine once the patch hits, he is super strong and he is gonna be very dominant imo but let's see lol.
How can you even talk about Firestorm? This is about charecters that are strong in the current patch but they didn't get enough nerfs, we don't even know how strong Firestorm really is yet to know if he is fine or needs nerfs so
 
EMPRESS_SunFire

EMPRESS_SunFire

Regina George of discord
kabelfritz said:
i hate that NRS is caught in the process of mere tier shifting instead of balancing again. 1st patch was good, 2nd is meh
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Tier shifting? The game is gonna have very few shifts in terms of top tiers most likely lol so that's not true at all. They literally toned down most top tiers slightly, Deadshot being the most nerfed and same for the low tiers
 
AkioOf100

AkioOf100

I play Raph
EMPRESS_SunFire said:
Scarecrow's trait got a slight nerf in this patch lol

Catwoman is not powerful because of her staggers lol, idk why people complain about those, they are not great... Staggers in general are not that great in this game unless there's a gap somewhere that would remove the ability to OS a poke. Just nerf B3 and her 1F2 maybe even 2D2 and she's good to go imo.

Adam could get his EX divekick changed so it's never +

Fate is not gonna be fine once the patch hits, he is super strong and he is gonna be very dominant imo but let's see lol.
How can you even talk about Firestorm? This is about charecters that are strong in the current patch but they didn't get enough nerfs, we don't even know how strong Firestorm really is yet to know if he is fine or needs nerfs so
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Yikes didn't mean to entice any arguments or assume any direct position. I'm always open to changing my thoughts.

I think my comment in regards to firestorm was more of an open-minded one. He was fine pre-patch in my opinion, I can't say he needs nerfs because his buffs are really weird ones, you know? An air-to-air (that he was lacking bc he sucked as far as air control save for torpedo), more trait access, and a farther ranged b3. I think those are interesting buffs, but we can't just go "OH FIRESTORMS BROKE NOW" because they were really unconventional changes.

Catwoman's staggers are really powerful, I don't mean to complain I just mean to compliment that factor about her. You use her staggers on opponents that have been conditioned to respect her and that is a very powerful trait, because it allows for you to begin mixing up your opponent. I think nerfing her plus frames would sorta .. normalize her .. in a way. She'd just become some weird neutral control character rather than her own special kind of rushdown in my opinion, but I digress. I'm no Catwoman expert!

I agree with that Adam change, but I never really (personally) find issues with Adam's meter burn dive kick. Plus frames are there to make your opponent stop mashing buttons, and I think rushdowns should be able to do that. Black Adam's his own form of rushdown, so I can see why they made that move in particular plus. But at the same time, it can be a bit smothering for some characters. I don't think the change would really normalize his strengths as a character. He controls the neutral very well, idk, I'm no Adam expert either.

I think Fate's completely okay. He's a great character. Good matchups, bad matchups, just like every other character in the game. MB Orb is annoying to get around and B2 is a little too active but I mean, that's sorta his thing. Maybe he will be dominant once the patch hits though, we'll see.
 
Zhidoreptiloid

Zhidoreptiloid

Watcher from the sky
lol, so much wanted to nerf catwoman. As remember, when i firstly looked at catwoman at NRS podcast, i inderstood, that 16-bit just broke her lol
 
DDutchguy

DDutchguy

Stand 4'ing airplanes out of the sky
kabelfritz said:
i hate that NRS is caught in the process of mere tier shifting instead of balancing again. 1st patch was good, 2nd is meh
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Compared to MKX though there is virtually no tier shifting, especially because there have only been two major patches. In MKX there was a new top 5 nearly every patch and was much more tier shifty than Injustice 2 could ever be.
 
xQUANTUMx

xQUANTUMx

Twitter: @xxQUANTUM
wat? FS doesn't need nerfs, his problems are the same pre/post patch. I don't think flash needs nerfs either.. Superman's lasers are annoying, but can be dealt with and worked around. They were even slowed down from i1
 
AkioOf100

AkioOf100

I play Raph
xQUANTUMx said:
wat? FS doesn't need nerfs, his problems are the same pre/post patch. I don't think flash needs nerfs either.. Superman's lasers are annoying, but can be dealt with and worked around. They were even slowed down from i1
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I don't think flash is easy to deal with, make his mixups a bit more unsafe imo... he's super hard to punish for mixups that lead into 600 dmg into setups. That's all.. Just make lightning kick really unsafe or something.
 
Cerbero

Cerbero

Always down for games.
All those chars you listed are top but not op.

If anything I would nerf flash cause I don't like mindlesss rushdown.

Other than that as my mains go
Adam has many weaknesses such as
Poor to no wake up attack.
Slow backdash
short backdash
poor invincibility on backdash (He can't backdash string gaps or advancing strings to whiff punish)
F12 is a great string but a high( you can't just throw it out there, this string is mainly a whiff+combo punisher.
He has decent mids but short so u gotta be almost point blank for you to connect it.
He def doesn't have a Supermans F23. I guess only Adam mains get this.
D1 into anything is interrutable.
D3 is useless.
Decent D2 AA.

So yeah Adam is top & I get why low levels hate him but he's not OP and doesn't need nerfs.

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xQUANTUMx

xQUANTUMx

Twitter: @xxQUANTUM
AkioOf100 said:
I don't think flash is easy to deal with, make his mixups a bit more unsafe imo... he's super hard to punish for mixups that lead into 600 dmg into setups. That's all.. Just make lightning kick really unsafe or something.
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it guess it depends on if one is looking through the lens of the chars one plays.
 
Skedar70

Skedar70

Warrior
I think Supergirl, Black adam and Catwoman are fine. The Batman nerfs are everything I believe was needed to make this game balanced. However, I am waiting to see if Firestorm and Blue Beetle didn't get overbuffed.

AkioOf100 said:
I don't think flash is easy to deal with, make his mixups a bit more unsafe imo... he's super hard to punish for mixups that lead into 600 dmg into setups. That's all.. Just make lightning kick really unsafe or something.
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I do agree with this that lightning kick should be easier to punish, not even top players punish it.
 
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