Mortal Kombat (2011) Matchup Chart

[sleepykyo]

Mortal Kombat must be one of the biggest match up based game since ST or something. I don't think I've ever seen so many 7-3s and especially 8-2s before.

 

[Subby]

Mortal Kombat must be one of the biggest match up based game since ST or something. I don't think I've ever seen so many 7-3s and especially 8-2s before.

It really not that bad. Almost everyone is balanced, so its hard to determine whats what. Just like someone said, Almost everyone in this game can compete.

 

[Konqrr]

How do you guys feel about a new thread in each character forum where the OP links this thread and posts the current matchups (alphabetical order) in order to discuss them. This would keep this thread from getting chaotic and will be more organized.

 

[Subby]

How do you guys feel about a new thread in each character forum where the OP links this thread and posts the current matchups (alphabetical order) in order to discuss them. This would keep this thread from getting chaotic and will be more organized.

Sounds lovely. I'd view that.

 

[PeeJaeys]

I'm confused. So Lao vs Smoke is 5-5 But Smoke vs Sub is 4-6 And 5-5 with Baraka. Is it me, or are some of just us judging on games we've played against terrible players? Lol. I think the chart is all sorts of confused as well. Oh, and is this chart soley based on offline experiences? Because I wouldn't see it valid, unless it was. Just my two cents.

 

[Deleted member 5032]

How do you guys feel about a new thread in each character forum where the OP links this thread and posts the current matchups (alphabetical order) in order to discuss them. This would keep this thread from getting chaotic and will be more organized.

We definitely need something like that. Right now it's a huge pain to try to track down reliable matchup information.

 

[Deleted member 5032]

Yes.

Here are my updated charts in Excel 2007 format (Freddy included):

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EDIT: I just filled in the final 3 matchups just to have them done ...

Scorpion vs Sektor 5-5
Sonya vs Scorpion 5-5
Sonya vs Sektor 4-6

It seems like a lot of people disagree with this list, just from what I've read in other threads. I know a lot of people are getting behind Jax as a valid character now, and I've seen some people do some incredibly sick things with Quan Chi. As far as I can tell, the only thing people can agree on is that Baraka and Sheeva are in the suck tier.

 

[DanCock]

I hear he also thinks Kung Lao is not a high tier character. I think he is trolling, so NRS does not nerf his character. LOL.

I do agree that Kitana is Kung Lao's hardest match. That is about it, though.

Lmao has he really said that? What a joke if he did lol


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[Sao87]

Kung Lao does not beat Kano or Sonya, whoever did those match ups are wrong and here is why.

Kung Lao can not apply low hat pressure against Kano because on block Kano can up ball him, Kano can up ball his teleports safely and wins the zoning war when he is at projectile advantage with knives. Kung Lao has a hard time getting close enough to Kano to start any pressure because Kano's normals just have more range, but as I've stated low hat pressure isn't an option when both players know this match up. The only advantage Kung Lao has is that his spin makes Kano's Choke frame traps a risk but spin is also risky because Kano can punish with b1, 1, 2 xx etc.

Sonya simply out zones him, she never has to be close enough to be worried about getting hit by a spin. Since most of Sonya's offense is started off of D4's she is almost always in a crouching position which means defensively she will always be able to anti air his teleports with her upper cut and she will always be in the correct defensive position if he is actually able to get close enough to start any combo strings.

 

[Konqrr]

It seems like a lot of people disagree with this list, just from what I've read in other threads. I know a lot of people are getting behind Jax as a valid character now, and I've seen some people do some incredibly sick things with Quan Chi. As far as I can tell, the only thing people can agree on is that Baraka and Sheeva are in the suck tier.

This is why we are going to DISCUSS it to make the chart as accurate as possible!

 

[SZSR]

I hear he also thinks Kung Lao is not a high tier character. I think he is trolling, so NRS does not nerf his character. LOL.

I do agree that Kitana is Kung Lao's hardest match. That is about it, though.

From my experience as a Smoke player, he can be pretty equal with Kung Lao offline. Be it i've only played 3 Kung Laos offline, but still Smoke had the tools to be able to hold his own (not saying I won the matches, just saying if I were smarter with what he had, it could've gone either way).

 

[TheChad_87]

Mileena DEFINITELY has Kung Lao issues. To call it a 6-4 in his favor is being nice to Milly. I say 7-3 at best.

I really don't understand how that could possibly be in her favor. He shuts her down in almost every way

 

[Sao87]

Also Raiden doesn't beat Sonya 4-6, if anything its in Sonya's favor 6-4. The truth about Raiden is that he needs to get close to deal damage, once people are quick enough to react to his teleports he has a really hard time dealing any significant damage without taking risks. I also think Cage beats raiden 6-4 but that is debatable.

 

[M2Dave]

Kung Lao can not apply low hat pressure against Kano because on block Kano can up ball him, Kano can up ball his teleports safely and wins the zoning war when he is at projectile advantage with knives. Kung Lao has a hard time getting close enough to Kano to start any pressure because Kano's normals just have more range, but as I've stated low hat pressure isn't an option when both players know this match up. The only advantage Kung Lao has is that his spin makes Kano's Choke frame traps a risk but spin is also risky because Kano can punish with b1, 1, 2 xx etc.

Which Kung Lao players are you fighting against?

- new up ball does not punish low hats on block any more. If Kano spams up balls versus Kung Lao, he dies.

- Kano's normals do not have more range than Kung Lao's because Kung Lao has f+3.

- Kano's knives have more recovery frames. There is a "sweet spot" where Kung Lao can instant dive kick each knife on reaction. Zoning Kung Lao is harder to zone now.

Kung Lao beats this version of Kano 6:4.

 

[Sao87]

Which Kung Lao players are you fighting against?

- new up ball does not punish low hats on block any more. If Kano spams up balls versus Kung Lao, he dies.

- Kano's normals do not have more range than Kung Lao's because Kung Lao has f+3.

- Kano's knives have more recovery frames. There is a "sweet spot" where Kung Lao can instant dive kick each knife on reaction. Zoning Kung Lao is harder to zone now.

Kung Lao beats this version of Kano 6:4.

I'm talking about Kung Lao's normals that actually deal damage not get him in on Kano aka off of 1's and 2's.

A good Kano isn't going to spam knives to the point where dive kick is threatening. If anything dive kick is a liability because it gets punished sooo hard on block.

I'll have to check the up ball again but regardless Kung Lao loses pressure once Kano starts blocking low.

I'm basing these off of my own Kung Lao play since I know what frustrates me and would frustrate other Kung Lao players once their opponents smarten up.

I play Kano as well =/

 

[M2Dave]

Mortal Kombat must be one of the biggest match up based game since ST or something. I don't think I've ever seen so many 7-3s and especially 8-2s before.

I was thinking the same thing because I used to play ST.

MK has fights in which you cannot get in (Skarlet vs. Sub Zero, Reptile), fights in which you get in too easily (Kung Lao vs. Shang Tsung, Sindel), fights in which you cannot fireball (Smoke vs. Noob), fights in which one special move destroys a character (Cyber Sub Zero vs. Shang Tsung, Quan Chi), etc. all which result in silly lopsided match ups.

 

[xxteefxx]

I really disagree with this chart to be honest, as well as a lot of talks and discussions in here. though i have a solution.

in sf4 vanilla and ssf4, SRK and Eventhubs made something like, rate you own character. a survey based on what people think the matchups are, and then an average is made UPON general average scores made by each participant. the list was actually REALLY decent and acuurate due to the fact, everyone were able to participate in.

i dont know how to do it, or were to get the link to start one. if anyone can help me on this, i can actually make it.

an example of how it rolls:

a List of all the characters, you pick the character you want to grade. for the character you choose, a list of all the roaster characters were you can grade the matchup from 10 - to zero.
the survey was also smart that it doesnt allow biase beyond either 7 or 3 (lowest and highest). you also had the option to select not to rate a certain matchup.


EDIT: i remember we also did something like that in TZ back in TTT and T4. So i will ask my friends and mods about it maybe they know.

if anyone have any idea about what i am talkin about, please tell me. we can easily make a chart, all of us participate and put it on Front page in TYM and MKU.

 

[M2Dave]

I'm talking about Kung Lao's normals that actually deal damage not get him in on Kano aka off of 1's and 2's.

A good Kano isn't going to spam knives to the point where dive kick is threatening. If anything dive kick is a liability because it gets punished sooo hard on block.

I'll have to check the up ball again but regardless Kung Lao loses pressure once Kano starts blocking low.

I'm basing these off of my own Kung Lao play since I know what frustrates me and would frustrate other Kung Lao players once their opponents smarten up.

I play Kano as well =/

Recall that the latest patch gave two extra frames of start up to the up ball. That is why you can no longer punish point blank low hats.

And Kung Lao's dive kick is not a liability when used correctly. You can punish knives on reaction with instant dive kicks. It does not work as easily as Cyber Sub Zero's far dive kick, but it works nonetheless.

Kano used to be a top 5 character in the game with safer knives and up ball. I do not think he is even top 10 now.

 

[Konqrr]

in sf4 vanilla and ssf4, SRK and Eventhubs made something like, rate you own character. a survey based on what people think the matchups are, and then an average is made UPON general average scores made by each participant

Then the chart would become wikipedia.

Kano used to be a top 5 character in the game with safer knives and up ball. I do not think he is even top 10 now.

Something HAD to be done about the upball, but the knife nerf went too far.

 

[DanCock]

the problem with nerfing the ball is the start up frames should not have been added. it should of been that if it was blocked he should be punished by full combo like Raidens torpedo..

and there was no fucking reason to fuck with the knife move O_O

 

[THTB]

To add to Sonya vs Raiden, Sonya can d4 between Raiden's strings.

The chart will be fixed up as discussions go deeper. Right now it's just filling in the original cast, then working on getting DLC numbers in, and then fixing up questionable matchups. It'll take some time, but it'll get there.

 

[SZSR]

I'm confused. So Lao vs Smoke is 5-5 But Smoke vs Sub is 4-6 And 5-5 with Baraka. Is it me, or are some of just us judging on games we've played against terrible players? Lol. I think the chart is all sorts of confused as well. Oh, and is this chart soley based on offline experiences? Because I wouldn't see it valid, unless it was. Just my two cents.

I've got an idea (taking off of what Konqrr posted above), why don't we post some matchups in the Smoke character forums and discuss what ever we disagree on? It would definitely help the specific Smoke matchup thread and this thread a lot.

 

[Konqrr]

Matchup threads have been created in ALL character forums (with the exception of Kratos). I know that most of them already have matchup threads, but this thread is specifically to discuss and agree upon numbers for the chart.

Go discuss!

 

[CY MasterHavik]

Thanks Konqrr.

 

[Konqrr]

@THTB, do you want to put these links to each character thread on the OP?

Baraka
Cyber Sub-Zero
Cyrax
Ermac
Freddy Krueger
Jade
Jax
Johnny Cage
Kabal
Kano
Kenshi
Kitana
Kung Lao
Liu Kang
Mileena
Nightwolf
Noob Saibot
Quan Chi
Raiden
Rain
Reptile
Scorpion
Sektor
Shang Tsung
Sheeva
Sindel
Skarlet
Smoke
Sonya Blade
Stryker
Sub-Zero

You can make it easier to read and navigate of course.

EDIT: Here is the code you can simply copy and paste into the OP. Make sure you change the < and > to [ and ]

<url=http://testyourmight.com/forum/showthread.php?9509-Baraka-Matchup-Discussion-Thread>Baraka</url>
<url=http://testyourmight.com/forum/showthread.php?9511-Cyber-Sub-Zero-Matchup-Discussion-Thread>Cyber Sub-Zero</url>
<url=http://testyourmight.com/forum/showthread.php?9510-Cyrax-Matchup-Discussion-Thread>Cyrax</url>
<url=http://testyourmight.com/forum/showthread.php?9513-Ermac-Matchup-Discussion-Thread>Ermac</url>
<url=http://testyourmight.com/forum/showthread.php?9514-Freddy-Krueger-Matchup-Discussion-Thread>Freddy Krueger</url>
<url=http://testyourmight.com/forum/showthread.php?9516-Jade-Matchup-Discussion-Thread>Jade</url>
<url=http://testyourmight.com/forum/showthread.php?9515-Jax-Matchup-Discussion-Thread>Jax</url>
<url=http://testyourmight.com/forum/showthread.php?9517-Johnny-Cage-Matchup-Discussion-Thread>Johnny Cage</url>
<url=http://testyourmight.com/forum/showthread.php?9518-Kabal-Matchup-Discussion-Thread>Kabal</url>
<url=http://testyourmight.com/forum/showthread.php?9519-Kano-Matchup-Discussion-Thread>Kano</url>
<url=http://testyourmight.com/forum/showthread.php?9520-Kenshi-Matchup-Discussion-Thread>Kenshi</url>
<url=http://testyourmight.com/forum/showthread.php?9521-Kitana-Matchup-Discussion-Thread>Kitana</url>
<url=http://testyourmight.com/forum/showthread.php?9522-Kung-Lao-Matchup-Discussion-Thread>Kung Lao</url>
<url=http://testyourmight.com/forum/showthread.php?9523-Liu-Kang-Matchup-Discussion-Thread>Liu Kang</url>
<url=http://testyourmight.com/forum/showthread.php?9524-Mileena-Matchup-Discussion-Thread>Mileena</url>
<url=http://testyourmight.com/forum/showthread.php?9525-Nightwolf-Matchup-Discussion-Thread>Nightwolf</url>
<url=http://testyourmight.com/forum/showthread.php?9526-Noob-Saibot-Matchup-Discussion-Thread>Noob Saibot</url>
<url=http://testyourmight.com/forum/showthread.php?9527-Quan-Chi-Matchup-Discussion-Thread>Quan Chi</url>
<url=http://testyourmight.com/forum/showthread.php?9528-Raiden-Matchup-Discussion-Thread>Raiden</url>
<url=http://testyourmight.com/forum/showthread.php?9529-Rain-Matchup-Discussion-Thread>Rain</url>
<url=http://testyourmight.com/forum/showthread.php?9530-Reptile-Matchup-Discussion-Thread>Reptile</url>
<url=http://testyourmight.com/forum/showthread.php?9532-Scorpion-Matchup-Discussion-Thread>Scorpion</url>
<url=http://testyourmight.com/forum/showthread.php?9533-Sektor-Matchup-Discussion-Thread>Sektor</url>
<url=http://testyourmight.com/forum/showthread.php?9534-Shang-Tsung-Matchup-Discussion-Thread>Shang Tsung</url>
<url=http://testyourmight.com/forum/showthread.php?9535-Sheeva-Matchup-Discussion-Thread>Sheeva</url>
<url=http://testyourmight.com/forum/showthread.php?9536-Sindel-Matchup-Discussion-Thread>Sindel</url>
<url=http://testyourmight.com/forum/showthread.php?9537-Skarlet-Matchup-Discussion-Thread>Skarlet</url>
<url=http://testyourmight.com/forum/showthread.php?9538-Smoke-Matchup-Discussion-Thread>Smoke</url>
<url=http://testyourmight.com/forum/showthread.php?9539-Sonya-Blade-Matchup-Discussion-Thread>Sonya Blade</url>
<url=http://testyourmight.com/forum/showthread.php?9540-Stryker-Matchup-Discussion-Thread>Stryker</url>
<url=http://testyourmight.com/forum/showthread.php?9541-Sub-Zero-Matchup-Discussion-Thread>Sub-Zero</url>