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MK11 Johnny Cage General Discussion

M.D.

Spammer. Crouch walk hater.
The more and more I play very long sets (like 100,200 matches) against good people that already learned Cage matchup, I start to not use 124 outside of the corner at all. It literally does nothing than grant them a free walkback and reset the situation I worked hard to get.

It's a universal solution against all cage options. Some of the guys started to walkback d4, which craps even on shadow kick, f3, f4, forceball, or jumpin (that whiffs and they recover first and punish me). So practically I just gave them the opportunity to escape.

Bleah.

d1/d4 on hit into 2 - throw / 244 or f3-throw/f344 is the only viable thing he has left. And it still works wonders even if they know it's comin.

Of course, it's still a guess, so if they guess right on the throw, bye bye 50%
 

Name v.5.0

Iowa's Finest.
The more and more I play very long sets (like 100,200 matches) against good people that already learned Cage matchup, I start to not use 124 outside of the corner at all. It literally does nothing than grant them a free walkback and reset the situation I worked hard to get.

It's a universal solution against all cage options. Some of the guys started to walkback d4, which craps even on shadow kick, f3, f4, forceball, or jumpin (that whiffs and they recover first and punish me). So practically I just gave them the opportunity to escape.

Bleah.

d1/d4 on hit into 2 - throw / 244 or f3-throw/f344 is the only viable thing he has left. And it still works wonders even if they know it's comin.

Of course, it's still a guess, so if they guess right on the throw, bye bye 50%
I played a set with a Jade player that walked did walk back d4. I know it depends on how long they walk back and when they D4, but I was catching him with microdash B34. Cage is fucking option roulette. You catch on to them, they catch onto you, and the whole fight becomes "What's the read?". It's annoying to use 124 mid screen when this type of situation plays out because the risk is mostly in Johnny's corner. I swear he should have #YOLO tattooed on his chest instead of Cage.
 
I played a set with a Jade player that walked did walk back d4. I know it depends on how long they walk back and when they D4, but I was catching him with microdash B34. Cage is fucking option roulette. You catch on to them, they catch onto you, and the whole fight becomes "What's the read?". It's annoying to use 124 mid screen when this type of situation plays out because the risk is mostly in Johnny's corner. I swear he should have #YOLO tattooed on his chest instead of Cage.
Yeah, the way you play with cage is completely based on how your opponent is playing the match, it’s not like Jax or Jacqui where their gameplay is fairly linear and won’t change no matter what their opponents are doing.
 

Name v.5.0

Iowa's Finest.
Yeah, the way you play with cage is completely based on how your opponent is playing the match, it’s not like Jax or Jacqui where their gameplay is fairly linear and won’t change no matter what their opponents are doing.
I think that's why I keep coming back to him. Despite his faults, he keeps my mind moving and the matches end up feeling more rewarding when you make a bunch of good reads. I'd still kill for a couple adjustments to him.
 

Tundra81

This is re-goddamned-diculous
Premium Supporter
Holy shit , Show Stopper is so much better. I finally tried it ,and I'm so happy with it. +17 after f21is sooo huge.
It never settles well with me playing Johnny without a nut punch but Showstopper is clearly the superior variation at this point. I haven't touched Shock Jock in weeks. Ending in F21 is huge for sure. Since playing Showstopper too I've really dialed in my FBC's, I still fuck 'em up from time to time but I was the same way with A-List, it's just the nature of it. This variations KB's are good no doubt but wouldn't it be nice to have at least 1 brain dead KB? I'd give a testicle for a throw KB, forward or back doesn't matter to me.
 

Error404

Noob
It never settles well with me playing Johnny without a nut punch but Showstopper is clearly the superior variation at this point. I haven't touched Shock Jock in weeks. Ending in F21 is huge for sure. Since playing Showstopper too I've really dialed in my FBC's, I still fuck 'em up from time to time but I was the same way with A-List, it's just the nature of it. This variations KB's are good no doubt but wouldn't it be nice to have at least 1 brain dead KB? I'd give a testicle for a throw KB, forward or back doesn't matter to me.
Yeah , thats basily the same reason I didn't try it. KB on back throw would be huge, as you don't have a reason to ever tech back throw against JC right now.
 

Error404

Noob
So , basicly after every f21 , I mix with 2 , throw /244. 2 throw cannot be interrupted by characters with 7 frame pokes. It works really well. Especialy on males who don't low-profile 2 on block.
 
i really hope we don't get robbed on the next patch as well
I go into matches expecting to lose. I just try my best to have fun during the little time I'm on the game. Lack of fixes with him is what's been pushing me away from playing. I haven't seen a single Cage player in weeks either.
 

M.D.

Spammer. Crouch walk hater.
My 2 cents is that they'll literally completely ignore ANY hitbox issues on the next patch at all.

They'll just add a 3rd variation with mime-time moves. which will cause another twitter SHITSTORM with fake setups and bullshit fake upplay (OMFG its 50 on block etc).

If you were wondering yes, I did extensive testing on a shitload of setups and grab stunt double whiffs on all of them if you just walk forward or do an advancing string. The rest of the setups lose to d2 spam, as shao kahn's hammer does.

So yes, get ready for another shitstorm of fake upplay guys.

And yes, literally NO hitbox fixes ever. Hell, they didn't care in mkx why should they start now.
 

Name v.5.0

Iowa's Finest.
My 2 cents is that they'll literally completely ignore ANY hitbox issues on the next patch at all.

They'll just add a 3rd variation with mime-time moves. which will cause another twitter SHITSTORM with fake setups and bullshit fake upplay (OMFG its 50 on block etc).

If you were wondering yes, I did extensive testing on a shitload of setups and grab stunt double whiffs on all of them if you just walk forward or do an advancing string. The rest of the setups lose to d2 spam, as shao kahn's hammer does.

So yes, get ready for another shitstorm of fake upplay guys.

And yes, literally NO hitbox fixes ever. Hell, they didn't care in mkx why should they start now.
Did the same thing you did. The Stunt Double moves are fucking terrible. Incredibly reactable...They'd have to be adjusted before release, and we all know that aint happening.
 

DrFolmer

AKA Uncle Kano
How do you all deal with the Jacqui match up? I just can't seem to keep her away from me.
Normally I would say that since forceballs whiff on crouch block she completely takes no risks on the approach, takes no chip damage, has better normals up close, out ranges us with b2, that it's a bad matchup - but wait, Tweedy said whiffing doesnt matter AKA it's 7-3 for Johnny AKA git gud scrub #wesomedownplayersoverhere
 

DrFolmer

AKA Uncle Kano
How do you all deal with the Jacqui match up? I just can't seem to keep her away from me.
On a serious note, you can have some fun in the corner in the matchup. Midscreen it's kinda bad. It really comes down to your throw tech game and getting into the pattern of the Jacqui player. Despite forceballs whiffing it's still a means of controlling the overall pace. If she's impatient and uses bf2 a lot - blow her up for it. If she just dashes in with crouch blocks you can throw her off with a quick dash up throw/124
 
Normally I would say that since forceballs whiff on crouch block she completely takes no risks on the approach, takes no chip damage, has better normals up close, out ranges us with b2, that it's a bad matchup - but wait, Tweedy said whiffing doesnt matter AKA it's 7-3 for Johnny AKA git gud scrub #wesomedownplayersoverhere
There's no reason why our opponents should be losing to Johnny. We're literally in a league of our own.
 
On a serious note, you can have some fun in the corner in the matchup. Midscreen it's kinda bad. It really comes down to your throw tech game and getting into the pattern of the Jacqui player. Despite forceballs whiffing it's still a means of controlling the overall pace. If she's impatient and uses bf2 a lot - blow her up for it. If she just dashes in with crouch blocks you can throw her off with a quick dash up throw/124
Thanks. It just seems like I can't peel her off me once she's in and once I do manage to get some space she's right back in. Definitely a bad MU but if u let Twitter tell the story then JC 7-3 the whole cast. I wonder how many of them actually play Johnny.