Trickywizard
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I clicked the report button and I ain’t sorry.
A bold statement yet with no explanations. Hmmm..... I wonder why?"
MK1 (2023)'s single player offering is and has been since launch one of the best offerings in fighting game history"
No it's not.
While I know people in the thread are reacting to it in their own way for their own reasons not endorsed by me, let’s be sure to keep it constructive hereProbably because you are obtuse and unyielding
fair enough. Apologies for the rudenessWhile I know people in the thread are reacting to it in their own way for their own reasons not endorsed by me, let’s be sure to keep it constructive here
That’s all I’ll say
Wasn't an underdog fight. You just don't know the match-up. It's 10-0 in David's favor. Goliath always struggled against zoners and there's no way to get in on David when he's using The Lord Almighty kameo. Goliath was outmatched from the start.Have you ever heard about David Vs. Goliath?
Another comment with no actual way of debunking except one (if you can even call it debunking), also with the quote mocking of "just shut up it doesn't" when I clearly did give a reason and a legit one.I am glad to see someone immediately reacted with "Source: crackpipe" because if they didn't I was going to.
The straw-clutching is genuinely wild. I laughed my ass off at the 'Shang Tsung motifs' stuff that is absolute nonsense and had to stop reading right there. I also got a laugh at the "Actually the content in SF6 that you can go play in SF6 doesn't count as content because...shut up it just doesn't" when talking about the classic games you can enjoy with friends in SF6.
The entire glazing reads like satire. It's like when people make videos to make fun of people that glaze The Sequel Trilogy as being brilliant when it's entirely incoherent as a story.
Wasn't an underdog fight. You just don't know the match-up. It's 10-0 in David's favor. Goliath always struggled against zoners and there's no way to get in on David when he's using The Lord Almighty kameo. Goliath was outmatched from the start.
Dude it's a motif you entirely fabricated in your head. This is you asking me to debunk your Bigfoot theory. You have invented this 'motif' entirely and are reaching crazy far to justify it as some kind of theme when there's nothing suggesting that other than your imagination.I challenge you to bring me any motif usage from any fighting game story that is better and more clever than this.
Firstly, Hanzo Hasashi is featured in Smoke's Arcade ending. Smoke found him and he recruited him to the Shirai Ryu, and as confirmed by Dominic Cianciolo from NRS, all Arcade endings in MK1 are fully canon. Meaning that Hanzo will be back in MK13, the only question is if Hanzo becomes the new Sub-Zero since Bi-Han is once again Noob Saibot or if Hanzo and Kuai Liang will return to their previous roles as Scorpion and Sub-Zero respectively. Also having Scorpion not being Hanzo is actually not new, because in the MK Conquest TV show, which was was prequel to the MK 95 movie, it's reveled that Scorpion in the movie canon isn't Hanzo either, but a warrior named Takeda (an no, not Kombat Kids Takeda).Regarding invavions at launch. I was really excited when I first tried it, but after the tutorial stage it got very repetitive and the mini games in which you had to dodge were all the same basically. I only finished the first and like...the 7th I think. It got better, but def not worth playing a second time, very dull.
I like that there are combo challenges.
The story was fun, for me personally, but one thing I can never accept is Scorpion being Kuai Liang, where is Hanzo ? that little bit ruined a lot for me.
I mean, yes the game is def better now than it was launch regarding singleplayer content, but I would argue that they still fumbled the ball with invasions.
Do you even know what a "motif" is? Better yet, do you even know what "nuance" means? Or even better, do you even know how a Mortal Kombat fight in the games go mechanically"? Because judging by this response you don't seem to know, or perhaps, you try to project yourself onto me, saying I dismiss any responses when you basically exactly that, both regarding the story and Invasions. Or maybe, it's all together at once. Truly a mystery indeed.Dude it's a motif you entirely fabricated in your head. This is you asking me to debunk your Bigfoot theory. You have invented this 'motif' entirely and are reaching crazy far to justify it as some kind of theme when there's nothing suggesting that other than your imagination.
Your other 'story points' are almost entirely subjective and dismiss any criticism with "Nuh uh actually that's brilliant!" with no nuance.
As for your discussion about content...you call Invasions excellent. Come on. There is a reason people are saying this reads like satire and think you're not being serious.
This stuff comes off as absurdity.
I have to be honest with you. Nobody cares about that tv show. And we'll see if the arcade endings will be canon or not. If I were a Scorpion main I'd be very pissed that my actual character is basically non existent. I don't understand why are you defending everything about this game,. Would you be ok if Reptile was randomly Kobra for this game ?. Just a green ninja.Firstly, Hanzo Hasashi is featured in Smoke's Arcade ending. Smoke found him and he recruited him to the Shirai Ryu, and as confirmed by Dominic Cianciolo from NRS, all Arcade endings in MK1 are fully canon. Meaning that Hanzo will be back in MK13, the only question is if Hanzo becomes the new Sub-Zero since Bi-Han is once again Noob Saibot or if Hanzo and Kuai Liang will return to their previous roles as Scorpion and Sub-Zero respectively. Also having Scorpion not being Hanzo is actually not new, because the MK Conquest TV show, which was was prequel to the MK 95 movie, it's reveled that Scorpion in the movie canon isn't Hanzo either, but a warrior named Takeda (an no, not Kombat Kids Takeda).
As for Invasions, yes the variety now is much bigger than it was at launch, but even at launch it had great variety, now it's just even better. MThat's also kinda point of seasonal content, to keep adding new stuff every season in order to make things fresh. And even though the seasons themselves are now repeated, there are still new types of mini-games and modifiers being added.
MK1's single player content was always amazing.
Yes and simply declaring that one exists to headcanon it into existence is the height of cope. This goes beyond death of the author. This borders on authorial necrophilia.Do you even know what a "motif" is?
Actually MK Conquest was very popular at the time, it got very good ratings.I have to be honest with you. Nobody cares about that tv show. And we'll see if the arcade endings will be canon or not. If I were a Scorpion main I'd be very pissed that my actual character is basically non existent. I don't understand why are you defending everything about this game,. Would you be ok if Reptile was randomly Kobra for this game ?. Just a green ninja.
Dude, seriously. You only keep projecting yourself onto me so you can justify your denial of what's really going on with the story. That motif does exist, and all the other "stuff" that you mentioned like "destruction of stakes" and whatnot do not appear in MK stories at all including MK1. All of these things actually true to any other fighting game story aside from Mortal Kombat and Injustice, in fact.Yes and simply declaring that one exists to headcanon it into existence is the height of cope. This goes beyond death of the author. This borders on authorial necrophilia.
Inventing motifs and themes is the province of hack reviewers who retreat to such things when the narrative they're desperately trying to fluff are disasters. "Muh themes" "muh motifs". Yeah that is way more meaningful than basic narrative structure, destruction of stakes, disappearing protagonists, dropping of story-threads, and incoherence of world-building. Sure. Sure it is.
Yeah, I also love Invasions and I barely go online in MK1, despite the gameplay and depth being amazing as well, not only because how good Invasions and TOT's are, but also because after playing MK11 Kombat League for two years with all of these lag switch cheaters and toxic jerks, I'm already burned out from going to online in any fighting game, including MK. Like I said in my main post, MK1, just like MKX, IJ2 and MK11, have single player content that can last for months and years, and therefore take the place of the online for those who don't wanna go online at all, rather than just take a break from online. And yes there's no such thing as a perfect game, but any major you could've find in Invasions even at launch was so tiny that it doesn't matter, especially since it did it's job properly from the start.I love invasions... I've played almost every season, and the truth is I play it more than online vs... I mainly play my family vs.... but when I am just hanging out (and not playing Doom2) I play invasions. Regardless of some of its issues, and I admit there is so much more they could do with this mode... it is still the best solo mode I have played in the FGC.... yes that includes SoulCalibir and SF6.
Here lets put to rest right now why your 'motif' is absolute invented post-hoc bullshit that doesn't even slightly hold upThat motif does exist
"we the players basically defeated Shang"But the one element that stands out in this story, is the brilliance usage of motifs in the base story. The Shang Tsung question motif is shown in several points in the story, and the way it was done, it was used as if this was a Mortal Kombat fight on it's own. In the first time chapter, when the farmer exposes Shang Tsung for the fraud that he is, we the players basically defeated Shang in the first round of the fight. The 2nd time is when Shang manages to convince Bi-Han to join the him, and since this happens right after Sub-Zero's chapter, it's basically Shang defeating us in the 2nd round. Finally, when Titan Shang Tsung uses that motif again before the final fight, we of course beat him, so not only we onw the fight in-game, but we won the over-arching metaphorical fight by beating Shang in his final-form in the final around.
And this was absolutely brilliant.
You sir have once again proved that you don't know what you're talking about.Here lets put to rest right now why your 'motif' is absolute invented post-hoc bullshit that doesn't even slightly hold up
"we the players basically defeated Shang"
You, the player, literally do nothing in the scene. It is a cut-scene without interaction. Furthermore, you then skip to the '2nd time' being Shang with Bi-Han except that we have a Shang scene before this with a definitive narrative loss for the actual protagonists when he captures them in his lab and holds them after they bungle the situation with Mileena and the Tarkat cure. By your asinine logic for this 'motif' that would make the player 1-2 against Shang after he he gets Bi-Han to join him. So...yeah best of 3 already completed.
Let's keep following your non-logic though.
For some reason (oh wait I know the reason...it's to bolster your nonsense motif that doesn't fucking exist by disingenuously omitting info and cherrypicking), you then go to Titan Shang Tsung for the final fight. Except Titan Shang and Shang Tsung from every previous 'round' are two different characters entirely. AND more stuff happens. In fact, Shang is now on YOUR side to fight Titan Shang after you convince him to do so. And this is right after another defeat from Titan Shang as the characters are forced to retreat. So...what does that make the player against Titan Shang? 0 and 1? Or is he claiming Shang's previous victories to make it 1 and 3? Either way your 'motif' is blown the fuck up.
Wait wait wait...but then you play as Shang. And he beats Titan Shang's forces. Hold up. Does this make the player 2 and 3 against 'Nebulous Motif Shang' because Shang got a win while you were playing...or...wait does it make you 1 and 4 because Shang won? Holy fuck it's like this motif makes no goddamn sense at all.
Wait wait wait...
HOLD UP
Then Titan Shang attacks the hour glass and fucking loses and has to retreat
So now the player is 3 and 3 against Shang?? Or 2 and 4? LMAO We'll say 3 and 3.
Then Titan Shang gets another L at the pyramid...so 4 and 3?
"Guys, I actually meant it was a best of 7 the entire time"
Wait wait...except it this is two different Shangs being given wins and losses as if they're one character...
Shang vs Opening = 0/1, Shang vs Tarkat situation = 1/1, Shang vs Bi-Han = 2/1, Shang vs Titan Shang (lmao) = 3/1
Meanwhile, Titan Shang is Titan vs Everyone when he appears = 1/0, Titan vs Shang = 1/1, Titan vs Hourglass = 1/2, Titan vs Pyramid = 1/3
Fucking regular Shang is up 3 to 1 and Titan Shang eats a 1 to 3 loss.
Wait wait WAIT
Except that the first 'loss' for Shang Tsung where he's disgraced is actually the inciting incident that sets everything into motion and upsets the world created by Titan Liu Kang exactly as Titan Shang wanted which means the LOSS you gave to "Narrative Shang" in 'round 1' is actually a MASSIVE WIN for 'Shang' because Titan Shang is able to successfully recruit Shang Tsung to his side as Damashi and set in motion the events of the game that threaten the protagnists. HOLY L.
See, this is why nonsense fart-sniffing 'motifs' like this are total nonsense especially when crafted by omitting entire chunks of a story.
Remember though your 'motif' is 'absolutely brilliant'...even though it fucking immediately falls apart under the barest scrutiny
LMAO. Whatever, dude.(literal incoherent gobbledygook about stuff he made up like a schizophrenic to justify some bogstandard story being 'deep')
"The other times Shang appears doesn't count because....IT JUST DOESN'T OKAY?! Because it's not the Shang question! Which is a thing I invented so I can make rules regarding it because...I JUST CAN OKAY?!"
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My plan to glance over the rest of this gibberish produced this gemAnother cool thing about Invasions mode, especially for me being a huge Pokemon fan, is using some elements from classic Pokemon games on top of all the MK elements. You can see all of them in a video that I made last year:
Unsurprisingly, you can't accept the truth and can't back up what you're saying, because you're too insecure and too proudful to admit that you're wrong. So your resort to keeping the childish tantrum going with a bunch sad insults just to pretend that you got a gotcha on me even though you know you didn't,LMAO. Whatever, dude.
Seriously, is this entire thread a bit? It reads like a redditor that just finished his first 'Introduction to Screen Writing' class with a C+ going on about how Sonic 3 is actually all about gnostic mysticism and Eggman represents the Demiurge
Except that none of you said contradicts what I've said. I didn't say there were no other RPG's before Pokemon that used similar elements, or that were not other games that used these elements after being inspired by Pokemon, including other monster catching games or IP's like Digimon and such. All I did was to show how MK1 uses these elements and how it compares to for SF6 and Tekken 8 using elements form Pokemon, which you so conveniently ignored of me mentioning as well.My plan to glance over the rest of this gibberish produced this gem
Dude thinks basic as fuck RPG elements like elemental types/weaknesses, random-encounter avoidance items, gaining new moves and FUCKING CRITICAL HITS are "elements from classic Pokemon games" that Mortal Kombat has incorporated
JFC, Final Fantasy 5 from '92 has all of the above...and those elements were considered bog standard at that time a near half a decade before Red/Green
Breaking news! Baldur's Gate 3 incorporates "elements from classic Pokemon games" with the usage of fucking Hit Points. NES game Paper Boy incorporates elements from classic Pokemon game because the protagonist rides a goddamn bicycle!
This level of hyper-fixated tunnel vision is beyond the pale. It shows a shocking lack of awareness of the topic.
Oh yes, the typical interent "potential" line.I skimmed op’s post and this thread. I wish I was as easily as impressed as him. Where stepping in dogshit is the highest art can reach.
On the contrary, I’ve realized recently this is the least invested I’ve been in mk. I use to worship the lore but it took me till mk1 to realize the story highs they hit during the midway days are gone forever. And they aren’t trying to reach their potential and haven’t been for a loooong time. From porn level acting/pacing in mk9, the chapter system butchering characters and the story in general, to mkx onward only trying to be marvel avengers lite. Marvel avengers that we have at home.
fuck happy go lucky mk1 reptile dissolving people alive in acid but being fearful of the film predator. A mess of a characterization. A franchise’s roots and its lore at war with itself. Havik just deciding to give up because the story went on long enough, sub zero mad because grrrr gotta be mad so he can be noob mad grrrr.
the menu music alone of mk3 or umk3 feels more “mk” than mk9 thru 1.