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Mr. Mileena

Mr. Mileena

Champion
Saboteur-6 said:
Awesome stuff bro. Some of those faster wake up options (Sub Zero EX-Slide) give me problems still. Maybe my timing is just bad.
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There are a few wakeups, when done instantly, that will beat out her F1.
But then again you can block and punish. they are still risking more than you are.
 
Rickyraws

Rickyraws

This mean you don't like me?
I'm a little confused, but that's most likely because I've been out of the loop:

f12b4 is not special cancelable after the b4, correct? Meaning that without meter the mixup becomes non existent right? Even if this is the case, I'm a little confused as to why Mileena is considered to be a bad character. And even from those who don't feel she is bad, I notice them admitting that she does have significant problems. Aside from the fact that I am basing this purely on barely having a moderate understanding of piercing Mileena exclusively, and have played so few, I can't say I see any glaring issues with the character pop out. Her overhead's slow and she's pretty unsafe. While not things to be taken lightly and dismiss, wouldn't they simply dicate a different kind of play? I mean, in theory, what's stopping a person from sitting back and building meter and zoning with sais and forcing reactions from your opponent? The speed of the roll and her damage almost make it clear to me her style is conducive to that of a whiff punisher, not a rushdown character or a 50/50 vortex character. While she does have mix ups, their lack of safety simply mean you can't walk in pushing the aggression and hoping to come out on top, but that's not necessarily a flaw or fault that needs to be buffed. It does mean she can open people up, no? I mean her d2 seems to be an excellent anti air and she seems to be able to quickly escape pressure in a number of ways. Couple that with the fact that she can armor through a lot of stuff and I never realized the range of that b1, I'd say she looks like a perfectly fine character. Again, I'm not exactly Poindexter incarnate when it comes to Mileena, and am only basing my information on things I'm still hearing about the character. With good oki , that empress costume and her intro quote with Sub Zero, I don't see what's bad about her. I mean, sure her overhead is slower than a politician is to admit fault, but it's safe right? So it can't be the end of the world. Not to mention it WILL still catch people. Especially online. Speaking of online, when are you going to share the lagswitching tech you've been hiding @Mr. Mileena ?

Speaking of things Mr. Mileena has done that I do not approve of, what's with the avatar? I don't know how I feel about it...
 
Mr. Mileena

Mr. Mileena

Champion
Rickyraws said:
I'm a little confused, but that's most likely because I've been out of the loop:

f12b4 is not special cancelable after the b4, correct? Meaning that without meter the mixup becomes non existent right? Even if this is the case, I'm a little confused as to why Mileena is considered to be a bad character. And even from those who don't feel she is bad, I notice them admitting that she does have significant problems. Aside from the fact that I am basing this purely on barely having a moderate understanding of piercing Mileena exclusively, and have played so few, I can't say I see any glaring issues with the character pop out. Her overhead's slow and she's pretty unsafe. While not things to be taken lightly and dismiss, wouldn't they simply dicate a different kind of play? I mean, in theory, what's stopping a person from sitting back and building meter and zoning with sais and forcing reactions from your opponent? The speed of the roll and her damage almost make it clear to me her style is conducive to that of a whiff punisher, not a rushdown character or a 50/50 vortex character. While she does have mix ups, their lack of safety simply mean you can't walk in pushing the aggression and hoping to come out on top, but that's not necessarily a flaw or fault that needs to be buffed. It does mean she can open people up, no? I mean her d2 seems to be an excellent anti air and she seems to be able to quickly escape pressure in a number of ways. Couple that with the fact that she can armor through a lot of stuff and I never realized the range of that b1, I'd say she looks like a perfectly fine character. Again, I'm not exactly Poindexter incarnate when it comes to Mileena, and am only basing my information on things I'm still hearing about the character. With good oki , that empress costume and her intro quote with Sub Zero, I don't see what's bad about her. I mean, sure her overhead is slower than a politician is to admit fault, but it's safe right? So it can't be the end of the world. Not to mention it WILL still catch people. Especially online. Speaking of online, when are you going to share the lagswitching tech you've been hiding @Mr. Mileena ?

Speaking of things Mr. Mileena has done that I do not approve of, what's with the avatar? I don't know how I feel about it...
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lol ily.

But yes, Mileena is going to be a good character. She just plays differently than most of the characters. I think she's perfect. :)
 
MajinBerserker

MajinBerserker

My power equals yours!
Rickyraws said:
I'm a little confused, but that's most likely because I've been out of the loop:

f12b4 is not special cancelable after the b4, correct? Meaning that without meter the mixup becomes non existent right? Even if this is the case, I'm a little confused as to why Mileena is considered to be a bad character. And even from those who don't feel she is bad, I notice them admitting that she does have significant problems. Aside from the fact that I am basing this purely on barely having a moderate understanding of piercing Mileena exclusively, and have played so few, I can't say I see any glaring issues with the character pop out. Her overhead's slow and she's pretty unsafe. While not things to be taken lightly and dismiss, wouldn't they simply dicate a different kind of play? I mean, in theory, what's stopping a person from sitting back and building meter and zoning with sais and forcing reactions from your opponent? The speed of the roll and her damage almost make it clear to me her style is conducive to that of a whiff punisher, not a rushdown character or a 50/50 vortex character. While she does have mix ups, their lack of safety simply mean you can't walk in pushing the aggression and hoping to come out on top, but that's not necessarily a flaw or fault that needs to be buffed. It does mean she can open people up, no? I mean her d2 seems to be an excellent anti air and she seems to be able to quickly escape pressure in a number of ways. Couple that with the fact that she can armor through a lot of stuff and I never realized the range of that b1, I'd say she looks like a perfectly fine character. Again, I'm not exactly Poindexter incarnate when it comes to Mileena, and am only basing my information on things I'm still hearing about the character. With good oki , that empress costume and her intro quote with Sub Zero, I don't see what's bad about her. I mean, sure her overhead is slower than a politician is to admit fault, but it's safe right? So it can't be the end of the world. Not to mention it WILL still catch people. Especially online. Speaking of online, when are you going to share the lagswitching tech you've been hiding @Mr. Mileena ?

Speaking of things Mr. Mileena has done that I do not approve of, what's with the avatar? I don't know how I feel about it...
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F12B4 is fully special cancelable. You can get a full combo with either Roll version or EX Tele kick.
Some of her footsie strings are punishable, but an equal amount are not, due to range (I'm basing all this talk on Piercing variation). I agree with what you've stated about her play style. She is not a rush in, 50/50 monster. Oh no, she must whiff punish! I think the negative opinion of her comes from this.
Yes, the f3 is very slow and can be poked out of. Yes, she's super punishable. Okay. Play her differently.
The 8f, meterless Roll reversal nets her 27% damage minimum. Like you said, annoy with sais until the opponent starts slipping up. Bam- roll or tele kick punish. This is how I've been playing her.
Sure, she takes some work but she has all of the tools. There are characters that do what she does better, but welcome to fighting games.
I wouldn't say she's a bad character, at all. Nowhere near "top tier" but that's not a death sentence. She has both OH and Low full combo options, good damage and great whiff punishing. Her unsafe moves just make the player improve their thinking and defense. Sorry she's not easy mode, derp derp.
Also, I've thrown out the 32f OH plenty of time in matches and got my free 38% or more. No one can react to everything.
I say she's a thinking man's character that requires a risk-reward mentality. Which is fine with me. She's forcing me to get better at fighting games. Thanks, Mileena.
She's my waifu.
 
MajinBerserker

MajinBerserker

My power equals yours!
And her knockdown oki is amazing.
The OH starter is also safe.
Man, she's got the tools to win. She's awesome. I'd brush her teeth every morning for her.
 
Saboteur-6

Saboteur-6

Filthy Casual
The fact of the matter is that Mileena isn't a 50/50 vortex, or rushdown, or frame trap monster and people wanted/expected her to be for some reason. She's more bait/punish/oki.That's what so many people are down on her.

Another thing that hurts her is her variation hierarchy and that right now, the leading opinion is that Piercing is such a superior variation as to nullify the use of Rav/Eth except for maybe a handful of very specific matchups.

I still think she's an awesome character and that she can definitely be viable. We'll see how the meta develops and if character specialists make her shine. Option/Select really helps her out too.
 
MajinBerserker

MajinBerserker

My power equals yours!
Saboteur-6 said:
The fact of the matter is that Mileena isn't a 50/50 vortex, or rushdown, or frame trap monster and people wanted/expected her to be for some reason. She's more bait/punish/oki.That's what so many people are down on her.

Another thing that hurts her is her variation hierarchy and that right now, the leading opinion is that Piercing is such a superior variation as to nullify the use of Rav/Eth except for maybe a handful of very specific matchups.

I still think she's an awesome character and that she can definitely be viable. We'll see how the meta develops and if character specialists make her shine. Option/Select really helps her out too.
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I agree with the variation choices right now.
I'll probably always go Piercing over Ravenous, due to range and low sai. Ethereal is the odd one right now because I do think the teleports could be great. Ethereal's damage output and the ease of punishing the teleports are the con of it right now.
I'm actually going to run Ethereal tomorrow at my local session and see how it fares. I think with the right mind games played with the teleports, it might make up for the damage. And there's no way an opponent can react to EVERY teleport fade away. Obvi, Mileena can't get predictable with them- that goes without saying.
 
Arkayne

Arkayne

Jade Mod. Poison Ivy
MajinBerserker said:
I agree with the variation choices right now.
I'll probably always go Piercing over Ravenous, due to range and low sai. Ethereal is the odd one right now because I do think the teleports could be great. Ethereal's damage output and the ease of punishing the teleports are the con of it right now.
I'm actually going to run Ethereal tomorrow at my local session and see how it fares. I think with the right mind games played with the teleports, it might make up for the damage. And there's no way an opponent can react to EVERY teleport fade away. Obvi, Mileena can't get predictable with them- that goes without saying.
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I still like Rav over Pierc. But that's just me. I just feel like the options in Rav are better.
 
Saboteur-6

Saboteur-6

Filthy Casual
Arkayne said:
I still like Rav over Pierc. But that's just me. I just feel like the options in Rav are better.
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I prefer Rav too but I admit that it's not really for practical reasons. Piercing seems to outclass Ravenous in both damage and ender setups while having access to the low projectile. I'd be curious what people find in Ravenous that's effective that can't be replicated in Piercing.
 
Sulfur

Sulfur

Winning feels better when you take a little damage
Mr Mileena is always proving that mileena is the most under rated character in the game.
Good vid man, and nice to see that you use piercing and not ravenous.
 
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