Microsoft Respond To Concerns Over Xbox1

[CrimsonShadow]

The reason behind that is that the PS3 was a system that was very hard to develop for. It was new at it's time and devs rarely spent the time to learn it properly. The X-Box 360 was much, much closer to a PC and developing the games for that sytem was very easy. Besides that it launched before the PS3 and that was one more reason for the developers to focus on that system.
Games were developed for the PC and the X-Box 360 first and then ported over to the PS3 and many of these ports were not good.

Even the most recent fighting games perform better on Xbox -- it's not a matter of the system being new. Again, what you're saying is a logical fallacy that has been disproven many times over. As a programmer I can tell you that's completely false. 'On paper' is not the same as 'in practice'.

 

[Killzone]

Even the most recent fighting games perform better on Xbox -- it's not a matter of the system being new. Again, what you're saying is a logical fallacy that has been disproven many times over. As a programmer I can tell you that's completely false. 'On paper' is not the same as 'in practice'.

Read my posts. READ THEM. The infrastruture of the PS3 is much harder to develop for than for the X-Box 360.
Games which were exclusively developed for the PS3 tend to look better than X-Box 360 games (Uncharted, Last of Us, Infamous, God of War).
The PS4 does not have that disadvantage anymore. It's that simple.

 

[Spitfire Riggz]

Well to be fair I never said it wasn't possible for the PS4 to do the same, I was only trying to help our boy JaredL understand why people were seeing a benefit to having the X1, dude I am done with MS and I will be going Sony all the way, I always hung with Sony and Nintendo. I don't agree with X1's policies at all, but I cannot deny why some of us here can truly see why it can compete with the PS4.

Anyway to further detail my statement, when you see hardware being thrown out it typically gather interest. The average buyer who is not as tech savy, will see larger numbers listed and think, " they are more powerful", when it isn't how strong it is its how it is used.

Cool man yeah my point is RIGHT NOW the PS4 has blown the X1 away. Microsoft can definitely change that but so far they have been extremely stubborn. The Wii-U was going to be my backup if the PS4 disappointed but alas they answered all my prayers. I might still get a WII U for smash bros though.

 

[CrimsonShadow]

Read my posts. READ THEM. The infrastruture of the PS3 is much harder to develop for than for the X-Box 360.
Games which were exclusively developed for the PS3 tend to look better than X-Box 360 games (Uncharted, Last of Us, Infamous, God of War).
The PS4 does not have that disadvantage anymore. It's that simple.

This does not change the fact that spec sheets do not ensure better graphics. If you understood how the systems and games work on a lower level, you'd know why.

No amount of blowing hot air will change this fact -- it's been proven multiple times over. Your own logic is contradictory; think about it; if the PS4 is straightforward to program for, then with MS and Sony starting on equal footing, the PS4 games should look better. The fact that they don't just serves to further undermine everything you're saying.

 

[Killzone]

This does not change the fact that spec sheets do not ensure better graphics. If you understood how the systems and games work on a lower level, you'd know why.

Crimson "LALALALA I'M NOT LISTENING" Shadow

Believe what you want, man. I'm not going to talk to a wall anymore and as a matter of fact, I want people like you to stay the fuck away from the PS4 and choose the X-Box One. You deserve that console.

 

[CrimsonShadow]

Crimson "LALALALA I'M NOT LISTENING" Shadow

Believe what you want, man. I'm not going to talk to a wall anymore and as a matter of fact, I want people like you to stay the fuck away from the PS4 and choose the X-Box One. You deserve that console.

I'll buy both, like I did this generation -- I hope you enjoy being salty while MS continues to churn out awesome games.

 

[Ilthuain]

It's very ironic how stupid you are .... And for that statement you need to get slapped over and over again, because of the sheer stupidity and ignorace (sic) of that statement .... You god damn, disgusting motherfucker ... You're exactly the type of insensitive dork ... You're a tool. A mindless drone, just like I said.

And there we have it, ladies and gentlemen. The reasoned, rational response we've all been waiting for.

This discussion is over.

 

[Hellion_96]

Ps3 is a more powerful system than xbox 360 MGS4 came out in 2007 and looks better than any xbox exclusive to date. The reason xbox runs cross platform games better is because the games were made for xbox then ported to the ps3. Ports always look and run worse. Cross platform games could not be developed on ps3 first then ported over because it is alot easier and cheaper to develop for xbox then port over to ps3 then vice versa. I mean ps3 discs hold twice as much gigs than 360. Sony corrected this with the ps4 and the ps4 has better tech than xboxone again this time around so

 

[Chuckychuck]

Ps3 is a more powerful system than xbox 360 MGS4 came out in 2007 and looks better than any xbox exclusive to date. The reason xbox runs cross platform games better is because the games were made for xbox then ported to the ps3. Ports always look and run worse. Cross platform games could not be developed on ps3 first then ported over because it is alot easier and cheaper to develop for xbox then port over to ps3 then vice versa. I mean ps3 discs hold twice as much gigs than 360. Sony corrected this with the ps4 and the ps4 has better tech than xboxone again this time around so

So what you're saying is games will be developed on Xbox One first and then ported to PS4 and will look on PS4? Exclusives will look better on PS4 but the only one that matters is on Xbox One lol

 

[Hellion_96]

So what you're saying is games will be developed on Xbox One first and then ported to PS4 and will look on PS4? lol

did u read what i said i was talking about ps3

 

[Chuckychuck]

did u read what i said i was talking about ps3

I know just using your logic and applying it to next gen.

 

[Killzone]

And there we have it, ladies and gentlemen. The reasoned, rational response we've all been waiting for.
This discussion is over.

Don't worry, the discussion was over when you delusional morons started ignoring the rest of the world.

I know just using your logic and applying it to next gen.

That's not his logic, shtoopid.
What he says is that PS3 games were X-Box 360 ports, because it was easier to develop for that console, because of the PS3's alien-like structure.

That does not apply for the PS4 anymore. Both consoles are similar to the PC and developers will probably develop the games on the PC and port them over to the PS4 and the X-Box One, without any real negative effects.
And thanks to the better specs of the PS4 the games will run more smoothly than on the X-Box One.

 

[Hellion_96]

I know just using your logic and applying it to next gen.

I guess my point was in the last gen ps3 was a better system on paper but cross platform games ran better on 360 for the reasons i stated before but in the next gen ps4 will be just as easy to code for meaning that cross platform games should run better on ps4 because it has better specs.

 

[Hellion_96]

Don't worry, the discussion was over when you delusional morons started ignoring the rest of the world.



That's not his logic, shtoopid.
What he says is that PS3 games were X-Box 360 ports, because it was easier to develop for that console, because of the PS3's alien-like structure.

That does not apply for the PS4 anymore. Both consoles are similar to the PC and developers will probably develop the games on the PC and port them over to the PS4 and the X-Box One, without any real negative effects.
And thanks to the better specs of the PS4 the games will run more smoothly than on the X-Box One.

haha beat me too it

 

[Kisze]

I found this info on the XB1, can people please read this so they know fact from fiction before arguing. I don't take credit for this wall of text and I know it will be buried soon but I thought I'd share.

"To start off, the Xbox One will allow you buy games at launch through digital download or through discs by going to a retail store.
USED GAMES
One of the X1's main feature is the ability to install the disc directly to the hard drive and play it without a disk. Correct me if I'm wrong, but this is a feature many asked for when the feature was added to 360, but it was only to allow the game to run better.
Contrary to popular believe, the used game does exist in the X1.
"Trade-in and resell your disc-based games: Today, some gamers choose to sell their old disc-based games back for cash and credit. We designed Xbox One so game publishers can enable you to trade in your games at participating retailers. Microsoft does not charge a platform fee to retailers, publishers, or consumers for enabling transfer of these games."
What can we take away from this? Easy. If you bought a disc based game, you can sell and trade it to any participating retailer. It means that game publishers will work out deals with retailers in order for the developers and publishers to take a cut of used games sales. Microsoft will not receive any money from these transactions. If you bought a digital copy, just like any digital copy, you will not be able to do this.
FIRST PARTY GAMES
"In our role as a game publisher, Microsoft Studios will enable you to give your games to friends or trade in your Xbox One games at participating retailers. Third party publishers may opt in or out of supporting game resale and may set up business terms or transfer fees with retailers. Microsoft does not receive any compensation as part of this. In addition, third party publishers can enable you to give games to friends. Loaning or renting games won’t be available at launch, but we are exploring the possibilities with our partners."
All first party games will be allowed to be resold and be given away (more of this below).
RENTING GAMES
"Loaning or renting games won’t be available at launch, but we are exploring the possibilities with our partners."
Microsoft and companies such as Gamefly are working on a system to make this work.

DRM--WHY?
As we saw above, you will be able install your games to your hard-drive and have your entire library available to play without putting the disc in the disc tray.
This is why the 24-hour check is required. Without this, many copies of the same game could be installed into multiple X1's and it would be absolutely crumble game sales.
The drawback to this is not being able to game offline. Microsoft has said that the final decisions to this issue have not been final. I believe if they allow you to play offline with the disc in the disc tray, this would become a non-issue.

PRIVACY
This is one of the biggest things people have been complaining about. Microsoft has already addressed the issue, but of course it fell on deaf ears. People already had their pitch forks out and had Sony on a pedestal by this point.
"You are in control of when Kinect sensing is On, Off or Paused: If you don’t want the Kinect sensor on while playing games or enjoying your entertainment, you can pause Kinect. To turn off your Xbox One, just say “Xbox Off.” When the system is off, it’s only listening for the single voice command -- “Xbox On,” and you can even turn that feature off too. Some apps and games may require Kinect functionality to operate, so you’ll need to turn it back on for these experiences."
As I've stated before, you will have the control to everything that the Kinect has to offer. If you don't want it to hear you? You can do that. If you don't want it to see you, you can do that. Don't want it to listen for the "Xbox On" while it's off, you can also do that.
If you want to learn more about the Kinect's privacy settings, you can click this link: Kinect Privacy[1]

XBOX ONE- A GAME OF CIRCLES
Now onto the other things. As some of us know, you will be able to have a "circle" of friends, 10 people to be exact, that will be able to access your game library from anywhere (in the same region, I'm assuming..still not clear about this) at anytime (as long as you or someone else in your circle isn't playing it). This is of course how things work now, two of your friends can't play the game at the same time from one disc on two separate consoles.
This is a feature that is absolutely wonderful, but the people raging about it had not heard about it before.
"Give your family access to your entire games library anytime, anywhere: Xbox One will enable new forms of access for families. Up to ten members of your family can log in and play from your shared games library on any Xbox One. Just like today, a family member can play your copy of Forza Motorsport at a friend’s house. Only now, they will see not just Forza, but all of your shared games. You can always play your games, and any one of your family members can be playing from your shared library at a given time."
I absolutely love this feature. For example, my cousin is 200 miles away when he's away to college and I've let him borrow LA Noire and Dead Rising. I've yet to receive those games from him. With this feature, we don't have to be close in order for him to borrow any of my games! It's crazy as to how so many people dismissed this feature because it's a big jump forward in digital technology. No longer will my friends or family have to be close to me in order for them borrow one of my games.
Important Update: New information has risen relating to this feature. You +1 friend from your circle can play the same game at the same time. Others can still play from your other library selection.
SOURCE[2]

GIVING AWAY GAMES
Do you have a game that you will no longer play? Your friend can still play it off of your Xbox (if they're in your circle). What if they're not? As long as they have been in your friend's list for 30 days, you can give a game away to your friend, free of charge! This can only be done once per copy.
Disclaimer: Microsoft has left it up to the publishers to decide whether or not you will be able to give your games to your friend. As stated above, first party games will allow you to this.

AFTER-THOUGHT: ADDITIONAL INFORMATION
The big change in the Xbox Live system is the feature to allow all users on one console to have gold by just one user having it. For example, if I have Xbox Live Gold and my brothers also use the same console, they will also be able to use all the perks of a Gold account. They will have access to all the games on the console even if it was installed through my account.
In short, one Gold account subscription per Xbox.

AFTER-THOUGHT OF AN AFTER-THOUGHT, A KINECT STORY
Disclaimer, the following is information that I believe. I have no source for some, just my opinion.
The main question I'm seeing is why the Kinect is being forced upon us. This is what I believe is the case in relation to this matter.
The past version of the Kinect was not the big leap in innovating that Microsoft wanted. It is a powerful machine, but many developers were not making games for it. The games that were being made specifically for the Kinect we really not that great. They didn't appeal to many gamers as they were soft and childish. This wasn't what Microsoft was looking for from developers.
Why weren't developers making games for the Kinect? Was it because they couldn't?
A CHANGE OF MARKETS
If a developer made a game for the Kinect, their market instantly became much smaller. Why? Not everyone has a Kinect. As of February 2013, the Kinect has sold an estimated 24 million units. This does not mean that these units have been sold to individual customers, but to retailers. Which means that there are Kinects in the shelves or warehouses that will never reach the individual customer. In comparison, the 360 has sold an estimated 77.2 million units, again not all sold to invidual customers, but it's safe to assume that there a lot more 360's in the hand of an individual customer than there is Kinects. In an instant, your market shrinks to about 31% of the possible market. Keep in mind, this number will change depending on how many units of each product have been sold to each consumer.
With that information given to you, what I believe is happening is simple. Microsoft is shipping a Kinect with every console because like this, if you own an Xbox One--you will aso own a Kinect. With this, I'm thinking Microsoft is ensuring the developers that the market is out there! In this move, Microsoft want the developers to explore the possibilities of the Kinect. They want newer innovations as they believe they've made a product with enormous potential. Why do you believe they were shoving the Kinect down everyone's throat last E3? They wanted to expand their market.
Just think of everything that can be developed for the Kinect. For example, Dead Rising 3 will have a feature where it will listen outside of the game through the Kinect. If you make a loud sound while playing, the zombies will hear you and they will come after you. This is the kind of thing Microsoft is looking for with the Kinect, innovation.
As to why it can't be disconnected, that I'm not sure. Maybe it's for the same thing? I can't expand further on this.

With this, we are done with explaining the information that a lot have missed and hopefully will be able to see that the Xbox One really isn't what they think.
If you wish to learn more, all of this and other information can be found here:
Xbox One- Games Licensing[3]
Kinect-Privacy by Design[4]
Kinect Sales[5]
Xbox 360 Sales[6]
Xbox One Friend's List- Limit Changed From 100 to 1,000[7]
Blood Relatives Only? Nope.[8]
Dead Rising 3 Feature[9]
Your Mobile Device May Be Used to Authenticate The Licensing Refresh[10]"

 

[Sasarix]

As a Playstation fan I for one would like to thank you MS. Every since you announced the Xbox One I have been able to sit back smile and enjoy the salt you have created with your fans. I feel bad for all of you that thought the Xbone was going to be the next big thing but it's ok we have a home for you right here on PSN. Don't be afraid it's more fun on the darkside anyway.

 

[TheSpore]

Cool man yeah my point is RIGHT NOW the PS4 has blown the X1 away. Microsoft can definitely change that but so far they have been extremely stubborn. The Wii-U was going to be my backup if the PS4 disappointed but alas they answered all my prayers. I might still get a WII U for smash bros though.

Yeah PS4 answered my prayers as well, because I have been weary o buying a WiiU for a while, it just hasn't wowed me yet, but it was gonna be my last resort as well. Its insane how much arguing this topic has caused though.

 

[The Borax Kid]

If your worried about a storm knocking out your internet connection and not being able to play your games, get a PS4.

If you want your games to last after the servers are shut down, get a PS4.

If you want to trade games with your friends, get a PS4.

If you plan on using your system for tournaments, get a PS4.

If you don't want an always online camera monitoring your household to collect data, get a PS4.

If your sick of companies trying to force consumers to adopt their bullshit DRM policies, get a PS4.

 

[Kisze]

If you don't want to be ignorant, read my last post.

 

[The Borax Kid]

If you don't want to be ignorant, read my last post.

P.R. bullshit buddy. Their doing all these things for our own good right? I know all about the special conditions built into these horrendous policies and promises Microsoft will make down the line to fix things.

The executive told you the truth, stop with the butthurt fanboy act.

 

[Spitfire Riggz]

If you don't want to be ignorant, read my last post.

My favorite part

"In addition, third party publishers can enable you to give games to friends. Loaning or renting
games won’t be available at launch, but we are exploring the possibilities with our partners. "

 

[Kisze]

P.R. bullshit buddy. I know all about the special conditions built into these horrendous policies and promises Microsoft will make down the line to fix things.

The executive told you the truth, stop with the butthurt fanboy act.

Now this is blind fanboyism for those who haven't yet seen it. False information gets shut down and the only reply is that it's "P.R. bullshit" and then he ignores it to keep on circlejerking. Stay ignorant buddy. For those of you who like to see both sides of a story and be educated in this "console war" can read my previous wall of text post instead.

 

[Spitfire Riggz]

Now this is blind fanboyism for those who haven't yet seen it. False information gets shut down and the only reply is that it's "P.R. bullshit" and just ignores it to keep on circlejerking. Stay ignorant buddy. For those of you who like to see both sides of a story and be educated in this "console war" can read my wall of text post instead.

Believe me, I read thoroughly through those policies and they were worse than I thought.

 

[The Borax Kid]

Now this is blind fanboyism for those who haven't yet seen it. False information gets shut down and the only reply is that it's "P.R. bullshit" and just ignores it to keep on circlejerking. Stay ignorant buddy. For those of you who like to see both sides of a story and be educated in this "console war" can read my wall of text post instead.

Regurgitating everything we already know in a gigantic wall of boring text, and then building a strawman that people don't really understand the policies that came out of Microsoft's own fucking mouths, prove to me your a fanboy idiot.

 

[Ilthuain]

P.R. bullshit buddy.

Don't believe MS's PR guys, believe Sony's PR guys. Do this for some reason that isn't exactly clear.